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Bairnardo Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, TheJTS98 said: You know how the media work. Anything along those lines will be met with an immediate demand for clarification and a timeline etc etc and then the government ends up caving in and making some rash promise or other. 'When you say that tough restrictions will not be enforced long-term, do you mean people can expect to be back in football grounds this year? What do you mean by long-term? Can you put a time-frame on that?' It's a journalists dream. We are back once again then to my absolute bafflement that in the worst crisis in living memory, the biggest disruption to life anyone has ever seen (or can remember), we can't expect the government to be honest in case the big bad media twist their words. This is the same logic as the folk who are happy to dawdle along with the vaccines and accept a "we're doing our best" attitude from Sturgeon because they like the SNP. I want independence, but in the worst case scenario imaginable of indy year 1, the cost probably wont get close to six more months of this shit. I think folk have been beaten down into submission when it comes to scrutinising the govt and their forward planning. We have become to cowed to even dare ask them to get the solution to this done in a timely manner, or even idedd acknowledge that it IS the solution, since it will de-risk covid to the point where it does no more damage then countless other diseases/causes of death. Its the responsibility of the govt to mange people expectations re how much protection they will be afforded against covid going forward and they currently aren't doing that. OR.... they intend to offer this level of protection to people indefinitely, in which case, millions of lives are just on the first bricks of the path to utter despair 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheJTS98 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, No_Problemo said: I don’t really see the issue with this. How about the government stopped fucking with people by being astonishingly negative (yesterday) and then actually manage the media and not do anything rash when questioned about it. I think we can surely expect that little. If they say anything positive about the future then row it back, they'll be widely accused of 'fucking with people'. It's a fairly straightforward thing. There's no sense in building people's hopes up with no solid reason to do so. Better to be cautious and give actual good news as and when it arrives, instead of offering magic beans. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 When events are still planning for 'limited, socially distanced' audiences in mid to late August, what hope is there? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 4 minutes ago, hk blues said: You are still not differentiating between travel and going on a foreign holiday. Err, who, other than a minority of social media influencers, have been holidaying since October/November time? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Mahelp Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 10 hours ago, NotThePars said: I'm still gone at someone claiming foreign holidays were a necessity. I think I must've missed it in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. I'm not sure if you're referencing my post of few pages back, where I said that for millions and millions of people, foreign travel (not necessarily just holidays) is very much a part of 'normal' life. I was only bringing it up because I was rather taken aback at the number of people making posts saying...'well, I'm happy to give XXXXX up, or I'm happy to give XXXXX up'. Let's all turn the clocks back 5000 years and live in boarded up caves. We'll be safe then. I'm not happy to give anything up. I'll abide by the current restrictions, but I want them lifted ASAP and I want every element of normal life back, including international travel. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Just now, Elixir said: Err, who, other than a minority of social media influencers, have been holidaying since October/November time? They were working, weren't they? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Problemo Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, TheJTS98 said: If they say anything positive about the future then row it back, they'll be widely accused of 'fucking with people'. It's a fairly straightforward thing. There's no sense in building people's hopes up with no solid reason to do so. Better to be cautious and give actual good news as and when it arrives, instead of offering magic beans. There’s a huge difference between being positive and being ridiculously negative. Sturgeon’s comments yesterday were disgraceful and indicated there will be no actual normality this year, even with closed borders. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheJTS98 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Bairnardo said: We are back once again then to my absolute bafflement that in the worst crisis in living memory, the biggest disruption to life anyone has ever seen (or can remember), we can't expect the government to be honest in case the big bad media twist their words. That's a side issue. My main objection is that it would be pretty damaging to the public to hear the government hint at good things in X number of months and then pin hopes on that only to have it swiped away by circumstances. If Sturgeon or BJ hinted at a crowd at this season's cup finals, for example, many people would take that as a 'PROMISE' and others would just get their hopes up about it. Then if it didn't happen, trust in the government would be further eroded, and people would have had a bubble burst, leading to more misery. The government here started lockdown back in March by announcing two week blocks at a time. This gave the hope that every block might be the last one. Eventually they binned that and just announced a really long extension. I can't remember how long exactly. The effect of this was removing the two-weekly process of getting everyone's hopes up, and it also brought the benefit of the government suddenly making everyone happy by lifting the restrictions early when they judged it possible. I just don't see why people want them to make some kind of baseless optimistic claim about the future. It may well make things worse. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, No_Problemo said: There’s a huge difference between being positive and being ridiculously negative. Sturgeon’s comments yesterday were disgraceful and indicated there will be no actual normality this year, even with closed borders. My biggest hope is that countries in the EU and/or the US start unwinding everything and it forces the hand of the clownshoes here, either at Westminster or Holyrood. The Swedes will probably be the first western country. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Mahelp Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 4 minutes ago, TheJTS98 said: That's a side issue. My main objection is that it would be pretty damaging to the public to hear the government hint at good things in X number of months and then pin hopes on that only to have it swiped away by circumstances. If Sturgeon or BJ hinted at a crowd at this season's cup finals, for example, many people would take that as a 'PROMISE' and others would just get their hopes up about it. Then if it didn't happen, trust in the government would be further eroded, and people would have had a bubble burst, leading to more misery. The government here started lockdown back in March by announcing two week blocks at a time. This gave the hope that every block might be the last one. Eventually they binned that and just announced a really long extension. I can't remember how long exactly. The effect of this was removing the two-weekly process of getting everyone's hopes up, and it also brought the benefit of the government suddenly making everyone happy by lifting the restrictions early when they judged it possible. I just don't see why people want them to make some kind of baseless optimistic claim about the future. It may well make things worse. That's exactly what Johnson did yesterday. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 12 minutes ago, Ron Aldo said: What we can gather from this is that both Pfizer and Israeli people's immune systems are the bois? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambomo Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, No_Problemo said: There’s a huge difference between being positive and being ridiculously negative. Sturgeon’s comments yesterday were disgraceful and indicated there will be no actual normality this year, even with closed borders. Well maybe there won’t be normality this year. In fact, if we take normal to be “as things were before” I expect there won’t be. The vaccine is a route out but they have to know that it works, that people once exposed to the virus, don’t get very sick. This all takes a lot of time because it requires gathering and looking at data over a period of (probably) months. I expect us to start reopening things but there will still be a lot of measures in place. You think her comments are disgraceful but why? They are probably the truth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Problemo Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, Jambomo said: Well maybe there won’t be normality this year. In fact, if we take normal to be “as things were before” I expect there won’t be. The vaccine is a route out but they have to know that it works, that people once exposed to the virus, don’t get very sick. This all takes a lot of time because it requires gathering and looking at data over a period of (probably) months. I expect us to start reopening things but there will still be a lot of measures in place. You think her comments are disgraceful but why? They are probably the truth. If you are happy with there being no actual normality in this country over the entire year when the borders are closed and the country is vaccinated, then there really is no point explaining why that is disgraceful. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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welshbairn Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 minute ago, No_Problemo said: If you are happy with there being no actual normality in this country over the entire year when the borders are closed and the country is vaccinated, then there really is no point explaining why that is disgraceful. Nobody would be happy with that, and nobody can be sure if and when it will happen. When pushed she said she hoped normal holidays in Scotland would be able to happen in the summer with pubs and restaurants open. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 hour ago, mizfit said: Last April I called my GO Surgery because I had a sinus infection that hadn’t shifted in 2 weeks. Receptionist didn’t even say hello before saying “if you’ve Covid symptoms follow the advice or book a test.” They are unbelievable I think people must have left the Gestapo and Stasi to become receptionists. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Stig Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) 18 minutes ago, TheJTS98 said: That's a side issue. My main objection is that it would be pretty damaging to the public to hear the government hint at good things in X number of months and then pin hopes on that only to have it swiped away by circumstances. If Sturgeon or BJ hinted at a crowd at this season's cup finals, for example, many people would take that as a 'PROMISE' and others would just get their hopes up about it. Then if it didn't happen, trust in the government would be further eroded, and people would have had a bubble burst, leading to more misery. The government here started lockdown back in March by announcing two week blocks at a time. This gave the hope that every block might be the last one. Eventually they binned that and just announced a really long extension. I can't remember how long exactly. The effect of this was removing the two-weekly process of getting everyone's hopes up, and it also brought the benefit of the government suddenly making everyone happy by lifting the restrictions early when they judged it possible. I just don't see why people want them to make some kind of baseless optimistic claim about the future. It may well make things worse. Aye, why would the government want to do something as stupid as give people some hope in their lives as some area of Scotland have only been in an effective lockdown since October (could be wrong but was that when Glasgow, Lanarkshire etc where in tier 4) i am sure that they are happy that it could be another 6 months as they have not been advised any other way. Edited January 28, 2021 by The Stig -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 22 minutes ago, Ron Aldo said: That feed is going to be my sole source of Covid news from now on. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheJTS98 Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 minute ago, The Stig said: Aye, why would the government want to do something as stupid as give people some hope in their lives as some area of Scotland have only been in an effective lockdown since October (could be wrong but was that when Glasgow, Lanarkshire etc where in tier 4) i am sure that they are happy that it could be another 6 months as they have now been advised any other way. Because giving people false hope would be exceptionally cruel. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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