Todd_is_God Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 By the looks of this, those without co-morbidities are extremely unlikely to die from Covid. This should give even more confidence that vaccinating JCVI groups 1-9 should all but eliminate Covid deaths in Scotland, and lead to restrictions being eased in a timely manner. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resk Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Todd_is_God said: That's not as far fetched as it may appear either. NS did say on Monday that she'd had to leave the 4 nations call that day to host the briefing. Who knows what BJ revealed on that call that nobody in the SG were then aware of. ETA That is assuming there is only one representative from each nation on the call, which i've no idea is the case or not. Eh nah, I don't think it's that tinpot. I'm guessing they are minuted official meetings, requiring at least one representative of each nation on the call, for its duration. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendan Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 A friend of mine just completed 21 days of quarantine getting into China. Got an anal swab done for final test. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven W Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 58 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: Does anyone know how much notice they had of the English road map? Just a nagging doubt that they were waiting on that before fleshing things out and got caught short when that plan changed. She said the day before the two plans would be broadly similar. Then BJ done his, which quite possibly factored in the vaccine news that emerged in the morning as it was 'all signing, all all dancing' to the point of ending restrictions in June (I said at the time I'd be amazed if the two plans prove to be broadly similar) Sturgeon then does hers the next day, in what I thought was a very flippant manner, and raced through it all in about 5 or 10 minutes flat. Then yesterday seemed to be much more upbeat and positive, probably on the back of some negative feedback to her performance / plan on Tuesday. Reading between the lines, and pure speculation on my part, but I think BJ's roadmap was redrawn àt a very late stage and NS maybe saw it for the first time as we all did. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 8 minutes ago, resk said: Eh nah, I don't think it's that tinpot. I'm guessing they are minuted official meetings, requiring at least one representative of each nation on the call, for its duration. You'd hope so I guess 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnieman Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 10 minutes ago, bendan said: A friend of mine just completed 21 days of quarantine getting into China. Got an anal swab done for final test. What's that, a free trip to Beijing and the Great Wall? nah yer awright mate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 42 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: By the looks of this, those without co-morbidities are extremely unlikely to die from Covid. This should give even more confidence that vaccinating JCVI groups 1-9 should all but eliminate Covid deaths in Scotland, and lead to restrictions being eased in a timely manner. Oh come on. I'm all for opening up pretty soon (and tbh I think the lockdowns have always been stricter than they should be anyway) but you can surely understand that you can exclude anyone with an underlying health condition to calculate "Actual deaths from Covid-19"? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Bully Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 Oh come on. I'm all for opening up pretty soon (and tbh I think the lockdowns have always been stricter than they should be anyway) but you can surely understand that you can exclude anyone with an underlying health condition to calculate "Actual deaths from Covid-19"?Agreed. It’s basically saying that if you have any type of disease, regardless of whether you would last another 50 years normally, it wasn’t Covid. It’s T_i_G at his Covid denying best. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 Just now, Wee Bully said: Agreed. It’s basically saying that if you have any type of disease, regardless of whether you would last another 50 years normally, it wasn’t Covid. It’s T_i_G at his Covid denying best. To be fair to @Todd_is_God he was just posting the data from someone to illustrate his point that deaths outwith the JCVI groups 1-9 are incredibly rare. But I don't like the language used by the guy who made that table. There are clearly many, many people who were close to death anyway and Covid pushed them over the edge. But for every one of them, there's the 62 year old diabetic grandpa that could have easily managed another 15 years. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 34 minutes ago, bendan said: A friend of mine just completed 21 days of quarantine getting into China. Got an anal swab done for final test. Would they recommend it? Asking for a friend of mine 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherrif John Bunnell Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 (edited) Having a quick look at the Twitter feed of the handle in that graphic tells you everything you need to know. An utter moonhowler. https://twitter.com/therustler83 Edited February 25, 2021 by Sherrif John Bunnell 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 9 minutes ago, Donathan said: Oh come on. I'm all for opening up pretty soon (and tbh I think the lockdowns have always been stricter than they should be anyway) but you can surely understand that you can exclude anyone with an underlying health condition to calculate "Actual deaths from Covid-19"? Of course (And those weren't my words). But given JCVI Groups 4 & 6 cover clinically extremely vulnerable and clinically vulnerable people, by protecting them we will quite clearly greatly reduce the number of deaths. This is a both a good thing, and a fairly obvious point.. 5 minutes ago, Wee Bully said: Agreed. It’s basically saying that if you have any type of disease, regardless of whether you would last another 50 years normally, it wasn’t Covid. It’s T_i_G at his Covid denying best. Tremendous mewling. Not sure what relevance it has to my post though. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: Of course (And those weren't my words). But given JCVI Groups 4 & 6 cover clinically extremely vulnerable and clinically vulnerable people, by protecting them we will quite clearly greatly reduce the number of deaths. This is a both a good thing, and a fairly obvious point.. Tremendous mewling. Not sure what relevance it has to my post though. I don't understand this apparent fear that the NHS could still be overwhelmed after the top 9 groups have been vaccinated. When you take out over 50's and any under 50's who are either clinically vulnerable or extremely vulnerable, I could be wrong but I'd imagine the percentage of cases that need to be hospitalised out of the remaining population is such that there is no danger of the NHS becoming overwhelmed even if cases are allowed to start spreading exponentially again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, Donathan said: I don't understand this apparent fear that the NHS could still be overwhelmed after the top 9 groups have been vaccinated. When you take out over 50's and any under 50's who are either clinically vulnerable or extremely vulnerable, I could be wrong but I'd imagine the percentage of cases that need to be hospitalised out of the remaining population is such that there is no danger of the NHS becoming overwhelmed even if cases are allowed to start spreading exponentially again. ^^^ Covid Denier 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 7 minutes ago, Donathan said: I don't understand this apparent fear that the NHS could still be overwhelmed after the top 9 groups have been vaccinated. When you take out over 50's and any under 50's who are either clinically vulnerable or extremely vulnerable, I could be wrong but I'd imagine the percentage of cases that need to be hospitalised out of the remaining population is such that there is no danger of the NHS becoming overwhelmed even if cases are allowed to start spreading exponentially again. I don't think it's a fear of the overwhelming it's the time it takes to discharge people from hospital and then if they have health issues caused by Covid following their discharge you are putting more pressure on the NHS, of course it's no reason to have a lockdown as hospitals can deal with emergencies and plan their procedures but pressure on the NHS is more than admissions and it's more than Covid. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: ^^^ Covid Denier https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/196573/covid-19-one-five-over-80s-need-hospitalisation/ This paper (Albeit it's by the widely discredited Imperial modellers) suggests a tiny 1% of under 30's need hospital treatment. Even within that 1%, you'd expect the more serious cases amongst younger people to come from those who have an underlying health condition and thus will be included in the groups 1-9. Given that the approved vaccines are ridiculously highly effective at preventing serious illness and death, and the incredibly high uptake, I expect hospitalisations to plummet once group 9 is done. I also happen to think based on the supply tables that you've posted on here previously, groups 1-9 will actually be completed several weeks ahead of the dates that both the SG and UKG are targeting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Am Featha Taigh Nan Clach Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 I think come mid March/whenever tier criteria and what's allowed in each tier is announced, people are going to be pleasantly surprised. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 6 minutes ago, Donathan said: https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/196573/covid-19-one-five-over-80s-need-hospitalisation/ This paper (Albeit it's by the widely discredited Imperial modellers) suggests a tiny 1% of under 30's need hospital treatment. Even within that 1%, you'd expect the more serious cases amongst younger people to come from those who have an underlying health condition and thus will be included in the groups 1-9. Given that the approved vaccines are ridiculously highly effective at preventing serious illness and death, and the incredibly high uptake, I expect hospitalisations to plummet once group 9 is done. I also happen to think based on the supply tables that you've posted on here previously, groups 1-9 will actually be completed several weeks ahead of the dates that both the SG and UKG are targeting. Just to be clear, I wasn't actually calling you a Covid Denier! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 Just to be clear, I wasn't actually calling you a Covid Denier!I know[emoji8] 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, Am Featha *****h Nan Clach said: I think come mid March/whenever tier criteria and what's allowed in each tier is announced, people are going to be pleasantly surprised. I think referring to it "Level 3" was a mistake. I really hope they will look nothing at all like the "Level 3" we know. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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