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[vikingTON]

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A 61-year-old woman has been issued with a £10,000 fine for organising a protest in Manchester against the proposed 1% pay rise for nurses and other NHS staff members.

Greater Manchester Police (GMP) said the demonstration breached Covid-19 rules on public gatherings, PA reports.

A 61yr old nurse was detained by police at todays protest against the proposed Governments 1% payrise., Manchester, UK

A 65-year-old woman also arrested at the protest at midday on Sunday after refusing to leave the gathering and not providing her details when asked. She was then de-arrested after giving her details to police and received a £200 fine.

The protest follows anger from unions and Labour at the proposed wage increase, with the Royal College of Nursing preparing for strike action. An analysis by the TUC has found that under the proposed 1% rise, affected NHS workers could effectively take home less pay than in 2010.

Superintendent Caroline Hemingway, of GMP, said:

“With the positive step of schools reopening tomorrow, it is vital that people continue to follow government legislation on social distancing and avoid gathering illegally in large numbers.

“Regardless of one’s sympathies for a protest’s cause, we would ask the public to maintain social distancing and follow legislation to prevent a rise in infections and provide the best possible chance of a further easing of restrictions in the weeks to come.

“We sought to engage with and peaceably disperse those attending this afternoon’s protest, explaining that the gathering was in contravention of government lockdown rules.

“Unfortunately officers were met with a degree of non-compliance and it was therefore necessary to issue fixed penalty notices.”

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2021/mar/07/coronavirus-live-news-auckland-finishes-week-of-lockdown-england-prepares-to-reopen-schools

The absolute state of this, after Glasgow polis' 'ach there's nothing we can do about a bunch of bigoted morons jumping around because of a football game' policy yesterday.

Note the schools and promises of looser restrictions tomorrow being weaponised by this clown as well.

[101]

11 minutes ago, virginton said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2021/mar/07/coronavirus-live-news-auckland-finishes-week-of-lockdown-england-prepares-to-reopen-schools

The absolute state of this, after Glasgow polis' 'ach there's nothing we can do about a bunch of bigoted morons jumping around because of a football game' policy yesterday.

Note the schools and promises of looser restrictions tomorrow being weaponised by this clown as well.

Sorely depressing that the same Police Scotland had not problem moving the black lives matter folk on in the first lockdown and yet Rangers fans didn't get kettled out the area. 

[ayrmad]

3 minutes ago, 101 said:

Sorely depressing that the same Police Scotland had not problem moving the black lives matter folk on in the first lockdown and yet Rangers fans didn't get kettled out the area. 

At least we'll not need to worry about getting out any time soon. 

[Detournement]

4 minutes ago, 101 said:

Sorely depressing that the same Police Scotland had not problem moving the black lives matter folk on in the first lockdown and yet Rangers fans didn't get kettled out the area. 

Kettled for not socially distancing. That's clever. 

[s_dog]

The key difference between the NHS protest and the hundred or whatever numbers of half-wits from Ibrox is:

"Greater Manchester Police (GMP) said around 40 people had gathered "in contravention of current lockdown legislation"."

Plus the fact that the eejits in both sides of the Old Firm would happily start a riot and the police know that.

 

It's still a complete joke this is happening though.

NHS pay row: Organiser of protest in Manchester given £10,000 fine by police 

 

Edited March 7, 2021 by s_dog

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

17 minutes ago, 101 said:

Sorely depressing that the same Police Scotland had not problem moving the black lives matter folk on in the first lockdown and yet Rangers fans didn't get kettled out the area. 

Thats not even remotely accurate. Black Lives Matter protest was absolutely facilitated in Glasgow with thousands in attendance. 

Edited March 7, 2021 by Inanimate Carbon Rod

[s_dog]

On 06/03/2021 at 14:23, Todd_is_God said:

Given the now domimant strain originated in England, you must surely see the fallacy in proclaiming that banning foreign travel is the big lesson to learn from summer 2020.

Blanket border closures / travel bans are not the way forward. An extensive roll out of the incredibly effective vaccine is.

Yep I agree the vaccine roll-out getting completed asap is the best way forward. It's not in any way definite it's going to be the complete solution though, at least not early on, while for example the rest of Europe is well behind on vaccines.

The only definite fallacy is doing the same thing as last summer and expecting a completely different outcome, just because of the vaccine. Most of us have high hopes that will in a few months time that won't be true, and just because of the vaccine, we can start to live as normal again. Time will tell. 

[101]

7 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

Thats not even remotely accurate. Black Lives Matter protest was absolutely facilitated in Glasgow with thousands in attendance. 

https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/18531056.watch-police-kettle-group-hundreds-turn-george-square-protest/

Not the same scale but look at the police presence. Was it the same at Ibrox yesterday I have luckily not seen a huge amount beyond Gerard's car going through the crowd. But you have to ask why police horses weren't used to make the gap bigger and contain the crowd.

[Todd_is_God]

6 minutes ago, s_dog said:

Yep I agree the vaccine roll-out getting completed asap is the best way forward. It's not in any way definite it's going to be the complete solution though, at least not early on, while for example the rest of Europe is well behind on vaccines.

The only definite fallacy is doing the same thing as last summer and expecting a completely different outcome, just because of the vaccine. Most of us have high hopes that will in a few months time that won't be true, and just because of the vaccine, we can start to live as normal again. Time will tell. 

Why should we not expect the vaccine to absolute cigar covid into, at worst, the same category as seasonal flu come Autumn / Winter?

Every study to date has shown them to perform incredibly well. Dare I say even better than could have been hoped for.

Please excuse me whilst I file this "we just don't know!" nonsense in the bin where it belongs.

Edited March 7, 2021 by Todd_is_God

[Left Back]

3 minutes ago, s_dog said:

Yep I agree the vaccine roll-out getting completed asap is the best way forward. It's not in any way definite it's going to be the complete solution though, at least not early on, while for example the rest of Europe is well behind on vaccines.

The only definite fallacy is doing the same thing as last summer and expecting a completely different outcome, just because of the vaccine. Most of us have high hopes that will in a few months time that won't be true, and just because of the vaccine, we can start to live as normal again. Time will tell. 

If lockdown was released in exactly the same way as it was last summer we wouldn’t be doing the same thing, and we would have a different outcome.  Both because of the vaccine.

[Steven W]

17 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said:

We'll see.

Foreign travel might still be curtailed a bit, but I can't see the rest of it beyond the summer to be honest.

I hope you're right. I, and am sure everyone else, am totally scunnered with this.

[Detournement]

Devi talking about the lockdown not being strict enough is just more deflecting away from the fact that the primary problems were in care homes and hospitals. 

Both governments seem keen not to talk about transmission in these settings in case the public get the idea into their heads that anyone should be held responsible for all the deaths there. 

We'll hear Sturgeon and her outriders bang on about house parties and celebrations but I haven't heard a peep from her about 60% of severe cases being contracted in hospital.

Edited March 7, 2021 by Detournement

[Detournement]

5 minutes ago, 101 said:

https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/18531056.watch-police-kettle-group-hundreds-turn-george-square-protest/

But you have to ask why police horses weren't used to make the gap bigger and contain the crowd.

Why do you have to ask this?

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

Just now, 101 said:

https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/18531056.watch-police-kettle-group-hundreds-turn-george-square-protest/

Not the same scale but look at the police presence. Was it the same at Ibrox yesterday I have luckily not seen a huge amount beyond Gerard's car going through the crowd. But you have to ask why police horses weren't used to make the gap bigger and contain the crowd.

Theres far more context to the article you’ve linked than your assumption, for one the BLM protest was at Glasgow Green as the protest was far too big for George Square and although not advised most of the people tried to socially distance. A small group go up to george square to square up to the far right and were marched away. Had there been some kind of counter protest yesterday at ibrox you’d likely have seen similar approach. 
As for ‘why didnt they get the horses’ well there’s probably only a finite number of horses and perhaps they were needed elsewhere, but ultimately I wouldnt think it reasonable to put horses into a crowd using pyrotechnics as one of them hearing a bang despite being trained could go on a bolt and hurt a lot of people, just my thoughts but im sure you’re far more experienced than I am and you’ll be right.

[printer]

6 hours ago, LargsTON said:

How old are you?  I've worked out I'd need my first jab no later than April 10th if we've any chance of getting abroad in July.    I'm 43 so hoping to get word in the next 2-3 weeks.

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1 minute ago, Detournement said:

Why do you have to ask this?

I have only lived in the East but there surely isn't people in police scotland that would let a football team cloud their judgment or effect their response. I would hope anyway.

1 minute ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

Theres far more context to the article you’ve linked than your assumption, for one the BLM protest was at Glasgow Green as the protest was far too big for George Square and although not advised most of the people tried to socially distance. A small group go up to george square to square up to the far right and were marched away. Had there been some kind of counter protest yesterday at ibrox you’d likely have seen similar approach. 
As for ‘why didnt they get the horses’ well there’s probably only a finite number of horses and perhaps they were needed elsewhere, but ultimately I wouldnt think it reasonable to put horses into a crowd using pyrotechnics as one of them hearing a bang despite being trained could go on a bolt and hurt a lot of people, just my thoughts but im sure you’re far more experienced than I am and you’ll be right.

Watching the pictures from that day at George Square it was only too small because the police kept them in half the square. 

Perhaps you're right maybe if there had been Celtic fans along for a scrap then they would have been kettled away.

As for the horses being else where unlikely, they would also be used to dealing with separating crowds in such a way that seemed difficult yesterday as cars drove through the crowd, as for the fireworks you would have to be off your rocker to set off a firework or anything else that made a loud noise near a horse not only with you probably get huckled but being run over by a horse isn't going to be a nice experience horses can and are used in such circumstances and if folk get fucked up it's usually met with "well what were you doing there in the first place and what did you expect" 

[Detournement]

No one got hurt, no one got arrested. That's good policing. 

Anyone with half a brain can work out that the Covid risk is less than the average big supermarket on a weekend day. 

 

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

3 minutes ago, 101 said:

I have only lived in the East but there surely isn't people in police scotland that would let a football team cloud their judgment or effect their response. I would hope anyway.

Watching the pictures from that day at George Square it was only too small because the police kept them in half the square. 
-no tbf to the organisers the event at Glasgow green they genuinely did try to observe 2mtr social distancing and mask wearing, not possible at George Square. 

Perhaps you're right maybe if there had been Celtic fans along for a scrap then they would have been kettled away.

-maybe thats who were kettled away, who knows?

As for the horses being else where unlikely,

-is it? Im led to believe they are a Scotland wide resource and are ‘bid’ for so maybe they were somewhere else? 

they would also be used to dealing with separating crowds in such a way that seemed difficult yesterday as cars drove through the crowd, as for the fireworks you would have to be off your rocker to set off a firework or anything else that made a loud noise near a horse not only with you probably get huckled but being run over by a horse isn't going to be a nice experience horses can and are used in such circumstances and if folk get fucked up it's usually met with "well what were you doing there in the first place and what did you expect" 

-well it absolutely does happen so thats possibly why they arent used for traffic control at events and may not be put in amongst flares and flashbangs. 

 

[ICTChris]

Do you have a source or article about the number of Covid infections in hospital? Not doing a “source?” type auto response but genuinely interested.

ETA - that should’ve been a reply to @Detournement

Edited March 7, 2021 by ICTChris

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13 minutes ago, Detournement said:

No one got hurt, no one got arrested. That's good policing. 

Anyone with half a brain can work out that the Covid risk is less than the average big supermarket on a weekend day. 

 

It’s not really though is it?  You have a load of people breaking the law.  The police are supposed to uphold the law.