Mr. X Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 I voted Yes because... agreeing with Romeo...f**k that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aim Here Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, paranoid android said: Is it not the case that the dossier contains allegations that club's CEOs were bullied? It's not the case, no. All the supposed 'bullying' amounts to is that something like half of the Championship clubs pointed out they'd vote against Dundee and ICT getting extra prize money for a season if they were choosing to nullify it. Those clubs not only had the right to say something like that and vote in a way that had consequences to Dundee and ICT they wouldn't like, they were obviously *in* the right - you can't give people prizes for a tournament they're choosing to void. What's alleged doesn't constitute bullying. Even if this does somehow constitutes bullying (and it doesn't), it wasn't the SPFL doing it, but Championship clubs doing it to each other. Rangers should have directed that part of the dossier to the chairman of Alloa Athletic, not Neil Doncaster. Edited May 7, 2020 by Aim Here 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 What would happen to the prize money and euro spots if the Premiership was declared null and void? If the prize money was to be shared equally that could make the voting interesting. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C4mmy31 Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 1 hour ago, bennett said: Tbh it'll just be us in the premiership and maybe a few lower league teams. League won by Xmas ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paranoid android Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 12 minutes ago, Aim Here said: It's not the case, no. All the supposed 'bullying' amounts to is that something like half of the Championship clubs pointed out they'd vote against Dundee and ICT getting extra prize money for a season if they were choosing to nullify it. Those clubs not only had the right to say something like that and vote in a way that had consequences to Dundee and ICT they wouldn't like, they were obviously *in* the right - you can't give people prizes for a tournament they're choosing to void. What's alleged doesn't constitute bullying. Even if this does somehow constitutes bullying (and it doesn't), it wasn't the SPFL doing it, but Championship clubs doing it to each other. Rangers should have directed that part of the dossier to the chairman of Alloa Athletic, not Neil Doncaster. So rangers' dossier doesn't suggest bullying? That goes against something I read on here earlier today. Fair enough if that's the case. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aim Here Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 (edited) 20 minutes ago, paranoid android said: So rangers' dossier doesn't suggest bullying? That goes against something I read on here earlier today. Fair enough if that's the case. Rangers certainly used the term 'bullying' and 'coercion' in their statements and the tweets, despite what Stuart Robinson has claimed recently. But no, the actual dossier doesn't contain allegations that amount to anything that could reasonably be described as clubs being bullied, even if some folks out there are unreasonably using the word. Edited May 7, 2020 by Aim Here 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 Don Neilcaster to turn the volume down on the zoom calls when voting starts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Ric said: You've got to feel sorry for the Hearts fans ………... Nah, you lost me at that stage. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_don Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 2 hours ago, LongTimeLurker said: Ronnie MacDonald and Les Gray are both Rangers fans so as suggested above Hamilton Accies are likely to be on Rangers side. Hearts are also a no brainer given how pleased they are to be relegated when null and void was definitely a viable option. In days gone by Jan Stepek leaned the other way in a big way, so hasn't always been that way with Hamilton Accies. I don’t think Hamilton will definitely be on side. Les Gray has already come out and rubbished the bullying claims. But I guess if Rangers have dropped that he may come round. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paranoid android Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Aim Here said: Rangers certainly used the term 'bullying' and 'coercion' in their statements and the tweets, despite what Stuart Robinson has claimed recently. But no, the actual dossier doesn't contain allegations that amount to anything that could reasonably be described as clubs being bullied, even if some folks out there are unreasonably using the word. What about alleged 'threats', if not allegations of bullying? Edited May 7, 2020 by paranoid android 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 5 minutes ago, paranoid android said: What about alleged 'threat's, if not allegations of bullying? "Threats" is Rangers choice of words on their dossier. Others might describe them as "statements of intention" or such like. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjoey Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 1 hour ago, welshbairn said: What would happen to the prize money and euro spots if the Premiership was declared null and void? If the prize money was to be shared equally that could make the voting interesting. If the season was null and void, no clubs would have League positions to payout on. Sky and BT could also claim back all of their sponsorship money as the season didn't exist. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aim Here Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 11 minutes ago, paranoid android said: What about alleged 'threats', if not allegations of bullying? Rangers call it a 'threat', but it's not an actual allegation of a threat. What they're describing is Championship clubs voting to not pay the higher-placed league clubs prize money based on league positions, if there's no league positions to base prize money on, due to Dundee and ICT voting to void the league. They're being reminded of a perfectly fair consequence of their actions. It's no more a 'threat' than the shopkeeper at your local corner shop is making a 'threat' by saying that he'll take that pint of milk and packet of hob nobs off you if you don't pay him the money you owe him for them. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paranoid android Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 6 minutes ago, Aim Here said: Rangers call it a 'threat', but it's not an actual allegation of a threat. What they're describing is Championship clubs voting to not pay the higher-placed league clubs prize money based on league positions, if there's no league positions to base prize money on, due to Dundee and ICT voting to void the league. They're being reminded of a perfectly fair consequence of their actions. It's no more a 'threat' than the shopkeeper at your local corner shop is making a 'threat' by saying that he'll take that pint of milk and packet of hob nobs off you if you don't pay him the money you owe him for them. Even so, if the document alleges threats, and asks why Doncaster didn't act on three separate points - that shouldn't be ignored, imo. If the Dundee and Inverness CEOs reported these 'threats', did they do so thinking that Doncaster would do nothing? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aim Here Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, paranoid android said: Even so, if the document alleges threats, and asks why Doncaster didn't act on three separate points - that shouldn't be ignored, imo. If the Dundee and Inverness CEOs reported these 'threats', did they do so thinking that Doncaster would do nothing? What business is it of Neil Doncaster if championship clubs want to discuss amongst each other how they want to vote? It's not wrongdoing, and even if it is, it's certainly not wrongdoing by the SPFL. You seem hung up on the wording of 'alleges threats'. It doesn't allege a threat, it alleges some perfectly reasonable activity, under the headline of 'threat', and the hypothetical intended activity that constitutes the supposed 'threat' isn't from the SPFL, it's from a bunch of Championship clubs. If anything, Doncaster stepping in to interfere with how Championship clubs want to vote at upcoming elections would be the kind of interference that Rangers & co would ordinarily frown on. Edited May 7, 2020 by Aim Here 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LincolnHearts Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 15 minutes ago, kingjoey said: If the season was null and void, no clubs would have League positions to payout on. Sky and BT could also claim back all of their sponsorship money as the season didn't exist. If this was the case and Sky and BT wanted their cash back, would this mean that we could claim back what we've paid for Sky and BT sport? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weetoonlad Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 Both Nelmes and Gardner are big boys. I don't think for a min both wound be bullied what a load of shite. What a waste of time but have the Agm and move on 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjoey Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, LincolnHearts said: If this was the case and Sky and BT wanted their cash back, would this mean that we could claim back what we've paid for Sky and BT sport? You could try. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LincolnHearts Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 Just now, kingjoey said: You could try. .....and probably be told to GTF no doubt. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 Who are dossier? Rangers or Celtic? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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