Aim Here Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 7 minutes ago, Lobby Dossar said: Just read it Totally contradicts Doncaster’s no bullying repotted to him statements Doncaster didn't say people didn't talk to him about it. Quite the reverse. He said that there were no formal complaints of bullying - i.e. none of the complainers were willing to put a request in paper that he should do something about it. And since the people doing the moaning weren't complaining about supposed 'bullying' that involved SPFL staff, it's hard to see what he could have done about it even if they had put in a complaint. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnydun Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, TheScarf said: Gardiner has broken the Dundee fans. Absolutely succulent. Not really, you keep pushing this line. The only thing he has broken is his keyboard. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djchapsticks Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, TheScarf said: Gardiner has broken the Dundee fans. Absolutely succulent. Seriously though, if these allegations are so dire and incriminating, why have they been sat on for a full month? I mean, regardless of reconstruction talk status, these allegations surely should have been communicated pretty quickly. Timing is everything and all of the pointing and wailing coming out AFTER certain clubs don't get their way is just stinking to high heaven of sour grapes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnydun Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 11 minutes ago, Lobby Dossar said: Try reading it in full and not through tinted glasses Your team has no moral backbone in this whole shady business My team has never had a moral backbone. HTH. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 Just now, johnnydun said: Not really, you keep pushing this line. The only thing he has broken is his keyboard. He gets mentioned on here several times a day by your lot. And the seethe is palpable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, djchapsticks said: I half expected them to say 'an SPFL club who shall remain nameless, but for the purposes of this statement, let's call them' Shmundee'' Has Sean Connery got involved in this too? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JTS98 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Aim Here said: Doncaster didn't say people didn't talk to him about it. Quite the reverse. He said that there were no formal complaints of bullying - i.e. none of the complainers were willing to put a request in paper that he should do something about it. And since the people doing the moaning weren't complaining about supposed 'bullying' that involved SPFL staff, it's hard to see what he could have done about it even if they had put in a complaint. That's a fair point at the end, but given that the rest of your post seems to tacitly accept that he did actually know about these allegations, it seems that you are playing with semantics rather than actual fairness. I don't think any reasonable person could now conclude that Doncaster didn't at least have some idea that something was up with the process. The onus is then on him to investigate that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobby Dossar Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Aim Here said: Doncaster didn't say people didn't talk to him about it. Quite the reverse. He said that there were no formal complaints of bullying - i.e. none of the complainers were willing to put a request in paper that he should do something about it. And since the people doing the moaning weren't complaining about supposed 'bullying' that involved SPFL staff, it's hard to see what he could have done about it even if they had put in a complaint. As CEO if he was aware of alleged bullying / coercion wether it’s put in writing or not it his duty of care to have it investigated …… Think you will find this is why he is reluctant for an independent inquiry to take place … … … To save his own arse 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 Just now, Lobby Dossar said: As CEO if he was aware of alleged bullying / coercion wether it’s put in writing or not it his duty of care to have it investigated …… Think you will find this is why he is reluctant for an independent inquiry to take place … … … To save his own arse There has already been an investigation. How many do you want? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo*1 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, TheScarf said: He gets mentioned on here several times a day by your lot. And the seethe is palpable. Probably because he's been involved quite a lot? It's not difficult stuff here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JTS98 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Romeo said: There has already been an investigation. How many do you want? I'd like to congratulate Romeo on his new job as DDR's spokesman for justice. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aim Here Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, JTS98 said: That's a fair point at the end, but given that the rest of your post seems to tacitly accept that he did actually know about these allegations, it seems that you are playing with semantics rather than actual fairness. I don't think any reasonable person could now conclude that Doncaster didn't at least have some idea that something was up with the process. The onus is then on him to investigate that. There's nothing in the allegations though. Even taken entirely at face value, they don't amount to wrongdoing, and even if they do, they don't amount to wrongdoing that the SPFL can act on. Championship clubs are allowed to propose votes, they're allowed to tell other clubs how they're going to vote in future hypothetical circumstances and they're allowed to use that as political leverage. It's no business of the SPFL at all, unless SPFL staff (not board members, but SPFL staff) are involved. Neil Doncaster was entirely right to ignore the allegations unless someone on the SPFL's payroll was interfering. Edited May 10, 2020 by Aim Here 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnydun Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, TheScarf said: He gets mentioned on here several times a day by your lot. And the seethe is palpable. Aye ok. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Speroni*1 said: Probably because he's been involved quite a lot? It's not difficult stuff here. He’s not been in the news for weeks until today. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 Just now, JTS98 said: I'd like to congratulate Romeo on his new job as DDR's spokesman for justice. Don't let it get to you. I'll ask you. Do you have a number of investigations that you would be happy with? 2 be enough? maybe 4 or 5? And was 81% not enough of a majority for you? What number would you like to see? 90-95% maybe? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JTS98 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Aim Here said: There's nothing in the allegations though. Even taken entirely at face value, they don't amount to wrongdoing, and even if they do, they don't amount to wrongdoing that the SPFL can act on. Championship clubs are allowed to propose votes, they're allowed to tell other clubs how they're going to vote in future hypothetical circumstances. It's no business of the SPFL at all, unless SPFL staff (not board members, but SPFL staff) are involved. Neil Doncaster was entirely right to ignore the allegations unless someone on the SPFL's payroll was interfering. Nobody seems to dispute that Dundee were given a negotiating position. Nobody seems to dispute the call made to Aberdeen. I'd argue that those two events alone are cause to call off the whole process. Do you disagree with that? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobby Dossar Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Romeo said: There has already been an investigation. How many do you want? Only into how Dundee’s vote got misplaced only to magically turn up then be changed Oh and said investigation was carried out in secrecy without the member clubs knowing that it was taking place until its findings were published 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JTS98 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Romeo said: Don't let it get to you. I'll ask you. Do you have a number of investigations that you would be happy with? 2 be enough? maybe 4 or 5? And was 81% not enough of a majority for you? What number would you like to see? 90-95% maybe? Saddam Hussein used to do a lot better than 81%. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo*1 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 Just now, TheScarf said: He’s not been in the news for weeks until today. Ah, so because the media haven't mentioned him means he has nothing to do with all this. Right you are. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Lobby Dossar said: As CEO if he was aware of alleged bullying / coercion wether it’s put in writing or not it his duty of care to have it investigated …… Think you will find this is why he is reluctant for an independent inquiry to take place … … … To save his own arse He said St Mirren and Aberdeen had a robust conversation but didn't go over the line must be quite a high line. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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