Sarah Everard

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

21 minutes ago, Molotov said:

@Inanimate Carbon Rod are you surprised that the police investigation team have allowed the family to bring in this “specialist” diver who is speaking publicly?

No because as ive said there can be a ‘multi agency’ approach to these investigations. Ive seen private drone companies used to search remote cliff faces in the highlands etc too.
The police divers will have already searched these places, i cant remember the terminology for it but they use divers and canoeists and poles etc to search. If it gives the family that bit of reassurance to see this guy search it then its worth doing, this is usually very controlled, i think, and i can only say from the outside with no knowledge of the actual investigation, but for me the failing is for them to allow this guy to speculate in the media and undermine what they are doing, the ‘comms’ strategy is probably rationalised in some way, but i think they arent doing themselves favours by not rebutting what he is saying now. Should have been firmer from the outset. I also think, that its easy for the media to dominate the narrative thats going about/social media because the speculation sells papers, fuels clicks and if you dont believe me i’ve got a hacked phone to sell you. I dont think anything that can actually help should be ruled out to give this family answers. I think given the topic of the thread this is in, its easy to formulate a narrative that the police arent ‘doing enough’ or whatever is doing the rounds because of the recent negative incidents (which disgust every right thinking person) so objectivity is skewed. 
 

Sometimes people just genuinely disappear and are found in circumstances which completely baffle even the biggest experts. I remember one where a person just vanished from their home, left the kids, looking for the person for over a week, media appeals, loved ones doing press conferences and they were found by chance living rough in London with no explanation given.

People think that you can just trace this and have ready access to every cctv camera etc, when its not always that easy, especially in a remote place, sometimes members of the public can also be unhelpful, people phone up with false information, not out of malice (sometimes with malice too tbf)but either because they think they’ve seen the person or a desire to inject themselves into an enquiry. I really hope they find this woman alive and well. But when the speculation starts you then get forced to answer to people as to why you’ve not done x,y,z when you potentially have done it, or have ruled out a need to do it. Every investigation is different. 
 

Genuinely feel like if I could talk freely about some specifics it would help explain some of my points a bit better, but obviously wouldnt be right to discuss specifics. That said im not saying that this enquiry/investigation team is infallible or doing everything right, just that simply without being involved its pretty difficult to tell because no one really knows. 

[velo army]

4 hours ago, eindhovendee said:

I feel I am now qualified to do some detectiving.

Eindhovendeecee

[Black Pennel]

Further back ICR said it was difficult to explain.

No, it wasn't. He explained it to us.

As far as the Clyde is concerned, I dunno why the polis never lifted George Parsonage...he always seemed tae know where the bodies were. Is that not a wee bit suspicious ?

 

[Caledonian1]

The police searched for an unfortunate lady in the river and surrounding flood plain for about 4 weeks just beside my house (at the end of 2022) They used the coast guard helicopter about four times and searched on foot a similar number of times - once with a dog as we believed the body could be in underneath some of the piles of debris washed up by the massive flood.  There are still hundreds of tonnes of debris (trees, branches and straw) on my brothers farm and to be honest if the dog wasnt able to sniff out that one time the body could still be there.  However, the flood was so powerful that the body could easily be in the North Sea (about 20 miles away)

Perhaps, a very similar story as she fell in trying to control her dog.

[Loonytoons]

5 hours ago, SlipperyP said:

Mods ffs we don't this shite on this well respected forum, I want lies and conspiracies

Anyway, I think the dog ate her! 

Defo not the husband. His pal from the dark side had f**k all to do with it.

You blaming Roger Waters?  Mazzy Star will be red dotting imminently.

[Willie adie]

1 hour ago, Caledonian1 said:

The police searched for an unfortunate lady in the river and surrounding flood plain for about 4 weeks just beside my house (at the end of 2022) They used the coast guard helicopter about four times and searched on foot a similar number of times - once with a dog as we believed the body could be in underneath some of the piles of debris washed up by the massive flood.  There are still hundreds of tonnes of debris (trees, branches and straw) on my brothers farm and to be honest if the dog wasnt able to sniff out that one time the body could still be there.  However, the flood was so powerful that the body could easily be in the North Sea (about 20 miles away)

Perhaps, a very similar story as she fell in trying to control her dog.

Is this the old woman fae Monymusk

[V.Aye.R]

Channel 5 did a 90 minute special tonight with Dan Walker and the Sonar Guy. Unhinged. 

Must have missed the other shows they've done for non-White missing people. 

[pub car king]

There was a psychological profile on killers (if indeed she has been off'ed) and the biggest panic they feel is being caught with the body

 This is why so many are found by dog walkers in shallow graves, the killer rushes this part. 

Ian Huntly did and they found those girls effectively dumped in a ditch. 

[GTee]

4 hours ago, Caledonian1 said:

The police searched for an unfortunate lady in the river and surrounding flood plain for about 4 weeks just beside my house (at the end of 2022) They used the coast guard helicopter about four times and searched on foot a similar number of times - once with a dog as we believed the body could be in underneath some of the piles of debris washed up by the massive flood.  There are still hundreds of tonnes of debris (trees, branches and straw) on my brothers farm and to be honest if the dog wasnt able to sniff out that one time the body could still be there.  However, the flood was so powerful that the body could easily be in the North Sea (about 20 miles away)

Perhaps, a very similar story as she fell in trying to control her dog.

Not sure there was any bad weather for flood. Looking at the fairly calm river, and a quite fit young woman. She hasn't fallen into the river and drowned. The police are making an arse of this

 

[Jambomo]

3 hours ago, GTee said:

Not sure there was any bad weather for flood. Looking at the fairly calm river, and a quite fit young woman. She hasn't fallen into the river and drowned. The police are making an arse of this

 

Even rivers that aren’t especially fast can still have strong currents though. It’s also not always possible to find a bit to climb out when you are in (assuming she was conscious and she didn’t hit her head). It’s one of the warnings we get as swimmers about swimming in rivers.

[hk blues]

6 hours ago, V.Aye.R said:

Channel 5 did a 90 minute special tonight with Dan Walker and the Sonar Guy. Unhinged. 

Must have missed the other shows they've done for non-White missing people. 

Plenty of white missing people haven't had the coverage this has.  The nature of her disappearance makes it newsworthy, not the fact she is white. 

[Melanius Mullarkey]

Is there a creepier c**t than Dan Walker?

[Willie adie]

11 minutes ago, Melanius Mullarkay said:

Is there a creepier c**t than Dan Walker?

Jools Holland

[Melanius Mullarkey]

13 minutes ago, Willie adie said:

Jools Holland

Imagine Dan Walker and Jools Holland fronting a programme on Channel 5 about this wifie. 
 

Chilling.

[bennett]

22 hours ago, Benjamin_Nevis said:

It does seem a bit weird that a physically fit, fairly young woman who was apparently a reasonable swimmer would just fall into a river and drown tbh.

This has all the hallmarks of a Police f**k up and the Chief Constable making a mumbling apology in front of the cameras about "learning lessons" in 12 months time. 

Depends on what she was wearing,  if certain clothes get waterlogged then you can get weighed down.

 

I think you're right about the police cock up

 

 

18 hours ago, welshbairn said:

I'm sure I saw an episode of Columbo or something when they cut open a big shark and found the missing body. 

Wasn't that Jaws?

[101]

3 hours ago, hk blues said:

Plenty of white missing people haven't had the coverage this has.  The nature of her disappearance makes it newsworthy, not the fact she is white. 

Allan Bryant disappeared into thin air as well and has never had the media attention this is getting.

It does seem like an odd show to air so soon after she has gone missing.

[hk blues]

4 minutes ago, 101 said:

Allan Bryant disappeared into thin air as well and has never had the media attention this is getting.

It does seem like an odd show to air so soon after she has gone missing.

I don't think the media attention has been particularly OTT given the circumstances and time she's been missing.  Unfortunately, when a male goes missing the public maybe have preconceived ideas that they chose to do so or can look after themselves but when it's a woman, especially with kids, there is the assumption that it isn't voluntary and must be something sinister.  Let's be honest, it doesn't sound great for her at this moment although it pains me to say so.

[V.Aye.R]

3 hours ago, hk blues said:

Plenty of white missing people haven't had the coverage this has.  The nature of her disappearance makes it newsworthy, not the fact she is white. 

Sorry forgot to mention middle class and female. 

It's clear as day to me folk care about this stuff more, compared to say, 24,000 people in Turkey. 

Channel 5 is a lightening rod for this sort of stuff, watched by your facebook detectives who feel the need to visit a crime scene for a day out activity with the kids. All pretty grim tbh. 

[Gordon EF]

3 hours ago, Melanius Mullarkay said:

Imagine Dan Walker and Jools Holland fronting a programme on Channel 5 about this wifie. 
 

Chilling.

Dan Walker, Jools Holland, and Christopher Jefferies all desperately trying to convince viewers it wasn't them.

[carpetmonster]

If I ever become a kidnapper I’m going to cut my ransom notes exclusively from Norah Jones and Elbow CD inlays in an attempt to fit Jools Holland up for it.