Aqy Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 Does anyone have the votes from last year handy? Be interesting to see who's flipped votes based on self-preservation/SFA threats. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowdenMiners1204 Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 5 minutes ago, Autistisches Nilpferd said: How much is the Findlay factor is Cowden's vote? Donald Findlay was against it before https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/sport/19180700.amp/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnieman Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 19 minutes ago, approximately dave said: Both CCS and Edinburgh Uni had voted no to colts 2022 and 2021, I would have thought this would continue. "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others." 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 A Celtic blogger's view.. Quote Yesterday, Celtic were finally given final approval to play in the Lowland League, along with the B team for Hearts and the club at Ibrox. A lot of people seem happy at this development but I’ll be honest with you; it makes me despair. This is a league below all four of our divisions. What are these guys learning playing at that level? Smooth, silky skills or how to cope with blood and thunder football? If this is the level our academy players have to graduate at we’ll be lucky to put anyone from there into the first team for the foreseeable future. You cannot step up from that level to the first team. I don’t blame Celtic for this, not in the least. We have no choice but to play the cards we’re dealt. I blame the governing bodies for calamitous decision making going back years, including allowing the old Rangers to pull out of the reserve league when they were on the downslope towards their meltdown. That was another one of those acts done to appease them and which had perfectly predictable consequences; other clubs felt empowered to do the same. At some point the SFA basically abandoned the idea of youth football completely, and left it to the clubs. Talk about a scandalous abrogation of responsibility, one of the many they are responsible for. And it will have consequences for the whole game. Our young players should be learning the skills that are going to make them stars. There is nothing to learn at that level playing against part time footballers. It sets the whole youth development effort back years but shockingly it’s all we’ve got. But no matter how it’s dressed up, the road to the Champions League does not go through the Scottish Lowland League. As long as that’s the stopping off point for players trying to transition from our under 18’s to the first team squad we will be damned lucky to graduate a handful of them in the next ten years. There has to be a better solution than this. https://thecelticblog.com/2023/04/articles-and-features/celtic-b-team-gets-the-lowland-league-nod-but-how-much-good-will-it-do-us/ 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclizine Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 2 hours ago, approximately dave said: This looks more and more like clubs becoming reliant on this windfall which is a concern Do the clubs even see any of the cash? I thought it just nebulously went into the LFL's coffers. I've made my opinions on this shambles clear before. What an absolute farce this all is. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John S Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Burnieman said: Confirmed Good Guys: East Stirlingshire, Caledonian Braves, Tranent, Bo'ness United Well done BUs. They have consistently voted against and even lost a sponsor because of it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 1 minute ago, Cyclizine said: Do the clubs even see any of the cash? I thought it just nebulously went into the LFL's coffers. I'd love to see a tent and police vans parked outside Thomas Brown's house. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dundee Hibernian Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 https://thecelticblog.com/2023/04/articles-and-features/celtic-b-team-gets-the-lowland-league-nod-but-how-much-good-will-it-do-us/ 'But how much good will it do us?" Wait, I thought the main thrust for B teams in a league was to produce Scottish superstars for the national side? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 1 minute ago, Cyclizine said: Do the clubs even see any of the cash? I thought it just nebulously went into the LFL's coffers. I've made my opinions on this shambles clear before. What an absolute farce this all is. Nothing was ever publicly specified as to what this season's cash would be used. Lessons learned from year one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlansHotBath Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 10 minutes ago, Cyclizine said: Do the clubs even see any of the cash? I thought it just nebulously went into the LFL's coffers. I've made my opinions on this shambles clear before. What an absolute farce this all is. I believe it's largely used to cover admin costs that would otherwise fall to clubs, like insurance. There was also talk it was used to pay to improve the league's comms/social media output. Aside from maintain a website and publishing results and league tables after game days, which is the absolute bare minimum you'd expect from a functioning league body, they dont really seem to do much (i appreciate there are costs involved in both those things) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnieman Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/lowland-league-clubs-forced-to-vote-for-celtic-rangers-and-hearts-b-teams-4108753?fbclid=IwAR04Bpn8La91Qa4_UwZvzU-RY5XWxAzSMNS5KbMKa4KsRa648h2FSfHN0jU 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bestsinceslicebread Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Burnieman said: https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/lowland-league-clubs-forced-to-vote-for-celtic-rangers-and-hearts-b-teams-4108753?fbclid=IwAR04Bpn8La91Qa4_UwZvzU-RY5XWxAzSMNS5KbMKa4KsRa648h2FSfHN0jU Who are the people on the 'Scottish football pyramid working group committee', anyone know? Edited April 18, 2023 by Bestsinceslicebread 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 2 hours ago, Ross O'Neri said: Can confirm Dalbeattie Star abstained from the vote for obvious reasons. They should have voted against thinking of the bigger picture, but understandable. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 6 minutes ago, Bestsinceslicebread said: Who are the people on the Scottish football pyramid working group committee, anyone know? I don't think they've even met this year, I think the Conference is something Maxwell dreamt up on his own, with quiet chats with the Colt clubs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PossilYM Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Burnieman said: "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others." Seems like a 100 years ago you and your pal LL were telling all the joys of joining the pyramid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 1 hour ago, welshbairn said: At some point the SFA basically abandoned the idea of youth football completely, and left it to the clubs. Talk about a scandalous abrogation of responsibility, one of the many they are responsible for. That's an odd take on it. IIRC the SFA set up elite coaching at Performance Schools across the country. What did Celtic and Rangers do? Of course, rather than follow the SFA's preferred youth development programme, they set up their own performance academies at St Ninians HS in Kirkintilloch and Boclair Academy in Bearsden, respectively. Hearts followed suit more recently at Balerno HS. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzler Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 played golf with Maxwell once, can confirm man is a fud 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 13 minutes ago, Footballfirst said: That's an odd take on it. IIRC the SFA set up elite coaching at Performance Schools across the country. What did Celtic and Rangers do? Of course, rather than follow the SFA's preferred youth development programme, they set up their own performance academies at St Ninians HS in Kirkintilloch and Boclair Academy in Bearsden, respectively. Hearts followed suit more recently at Balerno HS. Rangers' performance academy is part of the SFA scheme. I think Hearts' is too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfirst Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, craigkillie said: Rangers' performance academy is part of the SFA scheme. I think Hearts' is too. I don't believe so. If you look at SFA announcements of international youth squads, there is always an asterisk "*" beside the names of players attending the performance schools. Celtic, Rangers and Hearts players are almost exclusively not highlighted as such. The SFA may have accepted the situation as dictated to them by the OF in particular, but that's as far as it goes. https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/performance/jd-performance-schools/ The schools are: Hazlehead Academy – Aberdeen St John’s RC High School – Dundee Broughton High School – Edinburgh Graeme High School – Falkirk Holyrood Secondary School – Glasgow Grange Academy – Kilmarnock Braidhurst High School – Motherwell Edited April 18, 2023 by Footballfirst 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accies1874 Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, welshbairn said: A Celtic blogger's view.. https://thecelticblog.com/2023/04/articles-and-features/celtic-b-team-gets-the-lowland-league-nod-but-how-much-good-will-it-do-us/ They could've saved so much time (for the author and the reader) by simply cutting it down to this one line: Quote I don’t blame Celtic for this, not in the least. Edited April 18, 2023 by accies1874 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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