jamamafegan Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 They’ve managed to bribe their way into the Lowland League and now they are gunning for more. It remains absolutely crucial that absolutely nobody goes to watch games involving the colt teams - and people HAVE to keep voicing their opposition towards this. There is no space for complacency here as what has happened to the Lowland League has shown us. Email your club and tell them you are against this. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted June 29, 2021 Author Share Posted June 29, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, johnnydun said: We need 1 other team to ask to have a colt team put in, as this would give an odd number of teams to enter into the league, plus the OF would have to win a case of why it should be them. Get it to f**k. Exactly. There is, unless you are successful businesswoman Ann Budge, an argument to be made for reconstruction if it brings more teams into the SPFL, there is not a single shred of evidence to support the claims being made by the OF should their B teams play in the lower leagues. Edited June 29, 2021 by Ric 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 27 minutes ago, Swello said: No matter how cynical you become after years of watching them at work, the sense of entitlement that the OF has can still be staggering - this pish should be laughed out of town once and for all. My main interest in this is a genuine bafflement as to why they want this so much - even theories about keeping their vast squads employed on a Saturday or keeping a foothold in Scotland when they play in some vague "superleague" doesn't seem to warrant the amount of manoeuvring that's been going on. I reckon they didn't really want it that much to start with but now they've been told no they can't handle it and have a pathetic need to win against the diddies. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 By my reckoning that's 48 teams from 46 clubs. Not 48 clubs. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted June 29, 2021 Author Share Posted June 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, albagubrath said: If the sole aim of this is to increase the opportunities for development for the best young players in Scotland, then the SFA should enter representative teams on behalf of all clubs. We could have a 'District' model for instance with an East of Scotland, West of Scotland, South and Highland team. If you don't go for district teams there could be a draft system to add a bit of excitement too. If it really is about development, the OF can loan their players to those teams. As can everyone else. The idea that somehow the OF are the gatekeepers for all developing players is asinine and arrogant, which leads very nicely into your suggestion. An "all stars SFA development" team would, I believe, be more welcomed into the league than two very specifically partisan sides that are set up to benefit the OF and the OF alone. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted June 29, 2021 Author Share Posted June 29, 2021 1 minute ago, Sergeant Wilson said: By my reckoning that's 48 teams from 46 clubs. Not 48 clubs. Your arithmetic pedantry serves you well, Sir! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil86 Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 20 minutes ago, albagubrath said: If the sole aim of this is to increase the opportunities for development for the best young players in Scotland, then the SFA should enter representative teams on behalf of all clubs. We could have a 'District' model for instance with an East of Scotland, West of Scotland, South and Highland team. If you don't go for district teams there could be a draft system to add a bit of excitement too. If it really is about development, the OF can loan their players to those teams. As can everyone else. I actually really like this idea. Not sure how easy it would be to get going right enough so thankfully that wouldn't be my job. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 Who is actually putting the motion forward? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 42 minutes ago, Ric said: I see from the story that the B teams in the Lowland League are only there for a single season, I thought it was permanent rather than a trial. It's always been presented as a one year pilot/trial with no further commitment. Althought that's because they knew that this was going to be proposed. This latest version of the proposal stems from the last failed attempt earlier in the year which would see the SFA form a Working Group to look at reconstruction. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-celtic-b-plan-returns-23273437 George Fraser saw an opportunity to include 'B' teams in the Lowland League as it was going to happen in the SPFL in time for 2021-22. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowhereman Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 No promotion or relegation for 3 years is, imo, stopping the pyramid progression. Sure, when leagues previously have expanded they may have stopped relegation for that season but never for 3 seasons and never stopped promotion. Now to be fair, you'll probably know better than I regarding a lot of this, but has there ever been a case where promotion/relegation was stopped for 3 seasons?Promotion isn’t stopped 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted June 29, 2021 Author Share Posted June 29, 2021 10 minutes ago, invergowrie arab said: Who is actually putting the motion forward? It's a good question. According to (some) OF fans, the SFA/SPFL "have it in for them" and wouldn't piss on them even if they were on fire, so who exactly is pushing this agenda? Perhaps the truth is that the OF benefit greatly, and are supported by these organisations to the detriment of others, and this pandering to their wishes only demonstrates that. 4 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said: It's always been presented as a one year pilot/trial with no further commitment. Althought that's because they knew that this was going to be proposed. If I had realised this, and to be fair it might have been very obvious but I just missed it, then I wouldn't be as surprised by this proposal rearing it's ugly head. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 38 minutes ago, Ric said: No promotion or relegation for 3 years is, imo, stopping the pyramid progression. Sure, when leagues previously have expanded they may have stopped relegation for that season but never for 3 seasons and never stopped promotion. Now to be fair, you'll probably know better than I regarding a lot of this, but has there ever been a case where promotion/relegation was stopped for 3 seasons? There is promotion every year, four times more promotion than there is currently. That's the complete opposite of stopping progression. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paranoid android Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 Get these c***s away tae f**k. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 Rangers and Celtic can suck my fat, 8 inch (when erect) penis. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted June 29, 2021 Author Share Posted June 29, 2021 Just now, craigkillie said: There is promotion every year, four times more promotion than there is currently. That's the complete opposite of stopping progression. Fair enough, although I have to say I don't count progression as necessarily omni directional, but I take your point. The removal of relegation and to do so over successive seasons seems, as someone mentioned above, a complete bribe. Why trickle clubs in? Does that make any sense? Not to me, but perhaps I'm missing something. If it's such a good idea do it at once, doing it piecemeal suggests it's a trial process that may be stopped if it's "not working". Also if only two clubs are being admitted each year what are the odds the very first of those will be the OF B teams? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted June 29, 2021 Author Share Posted June 29, 2021 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Nowhereman said: Promotion isn’t stopped I've over egged my pudding a little, when I first read it, it sounded like the removal of both promotion and relegation. Both you and @craigkillie have (rightfully) pulled me up about it. I'll amend the initial post. Edited June 29, 2021 by Ric 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 When it comes to the 12 team Divisions as anyone actually seen what format they're meant to be? Presumably it's a choice between the 38 game split or 44 games. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sergie's no1 fan Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 Thought I stumbled into the politics section for a minute [emoji102].Aye get the coalts in the sea. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted June 29, 2021 Author Share Posted June 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, sergie's no1 fan said: Thought I stumbled into the politics section for a minute I can assure you, If it was the politics forum and it related to "that question", I wouldn't be starting a thread with the word NO in the title.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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