Euro 2020 Final - England vs Italy

[RandomGuy.]

6 minutes ago, DMCs said:

Bernandeschi over Grealish? I'm sorry but that's an absurd shout. I can guarantee you that there isn't a Juventus fan that till agree with you on that.

Maybe, I doubt he'd get near being a regular starter for them though.

Grealish benefits from having a squad entirely built around him to promote his strengths and hide his weaknesses. He'll be horrendously found out once he moves to a bigger club and doesn't see as much of the ball, and he's asked to actually help defend.

Bernandeschi barely gets the ball at Juve as he's asked to play a supporting role to Ronaldo/Dybala/Chiesa. You think he wouldn't be a stand out if you dropped him into the Aston Villa equivalent in Serie A, 11th placed Genoa?

[dundeefc1783]

England have made it to the semi final of a world Cup and the finals of a Euro's and Denmark are the first top 10 ranked team they have beaten (Denmark currently ranked 10). The draw in last two competitions has been incredibly fortunate.

Whereas in the quarter and semi alone Italy have beaten the ranked number 1 and number 6.

[TheScarf]

7 minutes ago, dundeefc1783 said:

England have made it to the semi final of a world Cup and the finals of a Euro's and Denmark are the first top 10 ranked team they have beaten (Denmark currently ranked 10). The draw in last two competitions has been incredibly fortunate.

Whereas in the quarter and semi alone Italy have beaten the ranked number 1 and number 6.

'we can only beat wots in front of us guv'.

Yes, and you barely managed it last night.

[DMCs]

15 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said:

Maybe, I doubt he'd get near being a regular starter for them though.

Grealish benefits from having a squad entirely built around him to promote his strengths and hide his weaknesses. He'll be horrendously found out once he moves to a bigger club and doesn't see as much of the ball, and he's asked to actually help defend.

Bernandeschi barely gets the ball at Juve as he's asked to play a supporting role to Ronaldo/Dybala/Chiesa. You think he wouldn't be a stand out if you dropped him into the Aston Villa equivalent in Serie A, 11th placed Genoa?

Bernandeschi doesn't even a supporting role any more. He barely gets a game now. Trust me you'll really struggle to find a Juventus or Italy fan who would take him over Grealish. His selection in the Italy squad has been a running joke on Serie A twitter. 

Edited July 8, 2021 by DMCs

[RandomGuy.]

1 minute ago, DMCs said:

Bernandeschi doesn't even a supporting role any more. He barely gets a game now. Trust me you'll really struggle to find a Juventus or Italy who would take him over Grealish. His selection in the Italy squad has been a running joke on Serie A twitter. 

Pirlo was a clownshoe manager, so I wouldn't read too much into that.

His spell at Fiorentina before his move to Juve was reminiscent of Grealish at Villa. Except Grealish has stayed in his comfort zone instead.

There's not a huge gap between the two but given a choice I'm going for the boy who's played and performed at the highest level rather than a guy who starred in a second tier and is currently in a bottom half EPL side.

[dundeefc1783]

Pirlo was a clownshoe manager, so I wouldn't read too much into that.
His spell at Fiorentina before his move to Juve was reminiscent of Grealish at Villa. Except Grealish has stayed in his comfort zone instead.
There's not a huge gap between the two but given a choice I'm going for the boy who's played and performed at the highest level rather than a guy who starred in a second tier and is currently in a bottom half EPL side.

Was Grealish injured last night or was the switch tactical?

[SANTAN]

15 minutes ago, dundeefc1783 said:

England have made it to the semi final of a world Cup and the finals of a Euro's and Denmark are the first top 10 ranked team they have beaten (Denmark currently ranked 10). The draw in last two competitions has been incredibly fortunate.

Whereas in the quarter and semi alone Italy have beaten the ranked number 1 and number 6.

You're giving credibility to a system that literally has England as 4th in the world. 

I don't think we will beat Italy but when you take a step back a semi final and then a final is mightily impressive and people trying to downplay it or act as if England are shit or lucky are just completely bitter and unobjective at this point. 

[welshbairn]

1 minute ago, dundeefc1783 said:

5 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said:

Pirlo was a clownshoe manager, so I wouldn't read too much into that.
His spell at Fiorentina before his move to Juve was reminiscent of Grealish at Villa. Except Grealish has stayed in his comfort zone instead.
There's not a huge gap between the two but given a choice I'm going for the boy who's played and performed at the highest level rather than a guy who starred in a second tier and is currently in a bottom half EPL side.

Was Grealish injured last night or was the switch tactical?

Maybe he's shite at penalties?

[RandomGuy.]

1 minute ago, dundeefc1783 said:

Was Grealish injured last night or was the switch tactical?

He's a huge liability defensively. He came off because they wanted to shut up shop and he's the clear weak link there.

He's nowhere near good enough at the top level to make it worthwhile for any longer than 30 minutes at the end.

[Roker Rover]

24 minutes ago, jimbaxters said:

That was exactly what my boys and I were talking about after the goal last night. You would think the opposition coaches would catch on to it too.

Knowing how somebody does something is not the same as knowing how to stop it.

[Girth]

As an English chap, I'm always conflicted watching the national team. 

However, this bunch seem like a genuine group. 

Booing the knee and GSTQ will always be toilet mind. 

Although, It's been nice seeing fans of all colours come together. 

Italy will be a real test but I actually think both teams are quite even. 

[dundeefc1783]

He's a huge liability defensively. He came off because they wanted to shut up shop and he's the clear weak link there.
He's nowhere near good enough at the top level to make it worthwhile for any longer than 30 minutes at the end.

Yeah shows just how much Gareth Southgate trusts him. The fanfare around him baffles me. You would think it was the second coming they way they go on

[dundeefc1783]

You're giving credibility to a system that literally has England as 4th in the world. 
I don't think we will beat Italy but when you take a step back a semi final and then a final is mightily impressive and people trying to downplay it or act as if England are shit or lucky are just completely bitter and unobjective at this point. 

A semi final and final is impressive but it cannot be denied that there has been quite a bit luck involved when it comes to the draw.

I think England are an efficient team and it is working for them so fair play. One thing I did notice from both semi finals was that the ability levels in the first game seemed to be way way above the second one. The first semi final was one of the best games I have seen in years.

[forameus]

Thought I was the only one that just couldn't see the hype around Grealish.  Obviously very good on the ball, but the way people go on about him it's like he's a world class must-pick.  There's a reason he's only been a sub, and indeed subbed off again last night.

I mean, most of this probably comes from him looking like the world's worst jakey Beckham impersonator, but still.

[oneteaminglasgow]

1 hour ago, Roker Rover said:

I wanted Scotland to do well in the tournament

I’ve heard this a lot, but I suspect the attitude would change very, very quickly if we ever actually did start doing well at tournaments, particularly if it coincided with England not doing very well. Not necessarily for you in particular, since I don’t know you, but for a lot I suspect it’s a bit like OF fans with a wee team - they’d almost immediately stop liking the wee team if they ever actually threatened to beat Celtgers consistently. 

[forameus]

1 minute ago, oneteaminglasgow said:

I’ve heard this a lot, but I suspect the attitude would change very, very quickly if we ever actually did start doing well at tournaments, particularly if it coincided with England not doing very well. Not necessarily for you in particular, since I don’t know you, but for a lot I suspect it’s a bit like OF fans with a wee team - they’d almost immediately stop liking the wee team if they ever actually threatened to beat Celtgers consistently. 

But doesn't that go without saying?  I didn't really mind what England did in tournaments because it rarely affected Scotland, and usually they were good for getting punted out in the knockouts.  When we were in direct competition, they can get to f**k.  What's wrong with them saying the same thing?

[Bonksy+HisChristianParade]

12 minutes ago, forameus said:

Thought I was the only one that just couldn't see the hype around Grealish.  Obviously very good on the ball, but the way people go on about him it's like he's a world class must-pick.  There's a reason he's only been a sub, and indeed subbed off again last night.

I mean, most of this probably comes from him looking like the world's worst jakey Beckham impersonator, but still.

What about Sancho, Foden, Rashford etc.? 

The reason all of the above are subs is due to Saka & Sterling best fitting England’s system (and also both being very good players in their own right obviously).

Bernadeschi is fucking pish man. Italy fans don’t want him on the pitch. I’m sure RandomGuy was bigging up Belotti as well.  

[Ludo*1]

Chiellini is the best CH in the world and with Bonucci they're the best partnership in the world.

They don't like fast players running at them and trying to stretch them, however and that's what England are good at.

If they lob the ball up to Kane, England won't get a sniff but if they try and stretch their back line then they have half a chance.

That fills me with dread.

[RandomGuy.]

11 minutes ago, Bonksy+HisChristianParade said:

I’m sure RandomGuy was bigging up Belotti as well.  

I said Belotti was better than England's 2nd choice striker, Calvert-Lewin.

A lot of folk seem blinded by the EPL tbh.

[The Ghost of B A R P]

Maguire and Stones are absolutely there for the taking: miles of space between them and Maguire reverts to Sunday league at times in terms of both touch and composure.

Not sure if Italy and a puffing Immobile are the team to do it… but Mancini (who pulled them out of a critical situation against Spain) will surely have a plan to take advantage.

Above all, the Italians should make a statement on Friday asking for assurances that players will be booked for simulation.