Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 2 hours ago, jagfox said: Not that "draft dodging" wouldn't occur in the west Trump's dad paid a doctor to invent bone spurs for The Donald so he didn't have to enlist. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MazzyStar Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 30 minutes ago, Zen Archer (Raconteur) said: Trump's dad paid a doctor to invent bone spurs for The Donald so he didn't have to enlist. So funny that people act like him not fighting in a racist, genocidal war is something to have a go at him about. He might not have done it for the right reasons but it was the morally correct thing to do. -8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Other Foot Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 5 minutes ago, MazzyStar said: So funny that people act like him not fighting in a racist, genocidal war is something to have a go at him about. He might not have done it for the right reasons but it was the morally correct thing to do. Your last sentence is oxymoronic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MazzyStar Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, The Other Foot said: Your last sentence is oxymoronic. It’s not. Obviously, he had the means of avoiding the draft which others didn’t, but the fact he avoided it isn’t something to criticise him for. Edited March 25, 2023 by MazzyStar 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loonytoons Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, MazzyStar said: It’s not. Obviously, he had the means of avoiding the draft which others didn’t, but the fact he avoided it isn’t something to criticise him for. I'm pretty sure it wasn't a moral stance he dodged it for. Had he taken a similar stance as Muhammad Ali you could have a point but decided in a more scurrilous route to avoiding being called up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 23 minutes ago, MazzyStar said: So funny that people act like him not fighting in a racist, genocidal war is something to have a go at him about. He might not have done it for the right reasons but it was the morally correct thing to do. I'll have a go at whom I please, Trump being low hanging fruit on the Cunttree doesn't give him a pass. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MazzyStar Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 6 minutes ago, Loonytoons said: I'm pretty sure it wasn't a moral stance he dodged it for. Had he taken a similar stance as Muhammad Ali you could have a point but decided in a more scurrilous route to avoiding being called up. There’s nothing to suggest it wasn’t a moral stance, and like I said dodging the draft for Vietnam was the correct thing to do. Of course I have a lot more respect for those that risked being imprisoned for dodging the draft than Trump. Anyway, the main point was about those that use this as a stick to beat Trump with. It wasn’t uncommon to see Democrats say this in 2016 and then during his presidency. It totally undermines the entire point that the Vietnam war was totally illegal and the worst crimes against humanity since WW2 were committed by the US during it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MazzyStar Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 7 minutes ago, Zen Archer (Raconteur) said: I'll have a go at whom I please, Trump being low hanging fruit on the Cunttree doesn't give him a pass. Have a go at Trump as much as you want, but if you’re going to go with “Trump was a pussy for dodging the draft” line of criticism instead of the literally hundreds of other things to actually criticise him for then you should be rightly called out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Tattiescone Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 One of the propagandists on Russian TV constantly exhorts young Russian men to do their duty and enlist to fight. Meanwhile, his son is conveniently in London working as a male model. https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-propagandist-erupts-after-son-accused-dodging-ukraine-fight-2023-2?r=US&IR=T Quote Solovyov's reaction came after he has repeatedly advocated for young Russians to join the fight in Ukraine. He has encouraged every able-bodied Russian male to join the army, and on Monday, the day before he addressed allegations about his son, said on his show that every young Russian male should help the war effort as part of their patriotic duty 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 8 minutes ago, MazzyStar said: you should be rightly called out. Who the f**k are you? Judge Dredd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loonytoons Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 17 minutes ago, MazzyStar said: There’s nothing to suggest it wasn’t a moral stance, and like I said dodging the draft for Vietnam was the correct thing to do. Of course I have a lot more respect for those that risked being imprisoned for dodging the draft than Trump. Anyway, the main point was about those that use this as a stick to beat Trump with. It wasn’t uncommon to see Democrats say this in 2016 and then during his presidency. It totally undermines the entire point that the Vietnam war was totally illegal and the worst crimes against humanity since WW2 were committed by the US during it. The fact he didn't come out with the moral argument but found a doctor that would prevent a call up strongly suggests it wasn't a moral stance at all. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 10 minutes ago, MazzyStar said: Have a go at Trump as much as you want, but if you’re going to go with “Trump was a pussy for dodging the draft” line of criticism instead of the literally hundreds of other things to actually criticise him for then you should be rightly called out. Aye but this was the comment: 1 hour ago, Zen Archer (Raconteur) said: Trump's dad paid a doctor to invent bone spurs for The Donald so he didn't have to enlist. It's not making the "Trump was a pussy" argument. Trump had wealthy parents who could pay for him to avoid the draft by bribing a doctor. For many of the American men sent to Vietnam, they didn't have anywhere near the wealth needed to do that. This aligns with the point in the tweet Jagfox linked above. That fighting and dying for empire is a burden placed on those with the least despite all the benefits of empire only flowing to those with the most. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MazzyStar Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 7 minutes ago, FreedomFarter said: Aye but this was the comment: It's not making the "Trump was a pussy" argument. Trump had wealthy parents who could pay for him to avoid the draft by bribing a doctor. For many of the American men sent to Vietnam, they didn't have anywhere near the wealth needed to do that. This aligns with the point in the tweet Jagfox linked above. That fighting and dying for empire is a burden placed on those with the least despite all the benefits of empire only flowing to those with the most. I acknowledged this in one of the posts above and never disputed what jagfox posted. Also, Criticism of Trumps avoidance of the draft invariably misses the point. If the US hadn’t gotten involved in the first place there would have been no unequal draft system with loopholes that allowed those who were wealthy to avoid it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 1 hour ago, MazzyStar said: Have a go at Trump as much as you want, but if you’re going to go with “Trump was a pussy for dodging the draft” line of criticism instead of the literally hundreds of other things to actually criticise him for then you should be rightly called out. But Trump WAS a pussy for for not refusing the draft versus buying his way out of it. Especially as he’s also on record as saying he feels bad about not going to Vietnam and was in a military prep school before buying his way out. Then add disparaging the war dead and POW’s, and there you have it. Don’t have a go at Trump is a strange hill to defend. In his privileged position, he could have spoken out about the war, against it and the draft with near impunity. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Zen Archer (Raconteur) said: Who the f**k are you? Judge Dredd More like RuPaul in a peruke… 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MazzyStar Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 14 minutes ago, TxRover said: But Trump WAS a pussy for for not refusing the draft versus buying his way out of it. Especially as he’s also on record as saying he feels bad about not going to Vietnam and was in a military prep school before buying his way out. Then add disparaging the war dead and POW’s, and there you have it. Don’t have a go at Trump is a strange hill to defend. In his privileged position, he could have spoken out about the war, against it and the draft with near impunity. More nonsense from yourself. You seem to be doing your best to avoid the main point. This isn’t about just the actions of certain individuals, it’s about the entire US government apparatus. Avoiding the fact the entire US apparatus is totally corrupt seems to be quite a common tactic of blue MAGA types that also call Trump a pussy for avoiding the draft. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 11 minutes ago, MazzyStar said: More nonsense from yourself. You seem to be doing your best to avoid the main point. This isn’t about just the actions of certain individuals, it’s about the entire US government apparatus. Avoiding the fact the entire US apparatus is totally corrupt seems to be quite a common tactic of blue MAGA types that also call Trump a pussy for avoiding the draft. You see, the basic problem with you is your answer to everything is U.S. government bad/corrupt, and anyone that won’t genuflect before this idiotic alter is a heretic U.S. apologist. Well, you’re wrong, but nothing will ever convince you of that, so rant all you desire, call everyone baby-killer and such pish, and foam away at the mouth thinking about the imperialists, to be honest, you destroy any possibility of rational discussion with your absolutely ludicrous position. Additionally, you spend most of your responses moving goal posts, which is why most people tire of this and put you on ignore. Have you ever considered that just perhaps there is grey in this world, and it’s not black and white? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MazzyStar Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 (edited) 24 minutes ago, TxRover said: You see, the basic problem with you is your answer to everything is U.S. government bad/corrupt, and anyone that won’t genuflect before this idiotic alter is a heretic U.S. apologist. Well, you’re wrong, but nothing will ever convince you of that, so rant all you desire, call everyone baby-killer and such pish, and foam away at the mouth thinking about the imperialists, to be honest, you destroy any possibility of rational discussion with your absolutely ludicrous position. Additionally, you spend most of your responses moving goal posts, which is why most people tire of this and put you on ignore. Have you ever considered that just perhaps there is grey in this world, and it’s not black and white? Of course, there is grey in this world. One thing that is black and white is that the US and its allies have been the most destructive force in the world post WW2. For some reason you seem to think saying that is an attempt to lessen what other countries have done when it is not. My answer to everything is not “the US government is bad” but the topic in this particular case was the Vietnam war and there is no clearer example of the US government being in the wrong. No idea what you’re talking about with your strange “baby killer” comment. Edited March 25, 2023 by MazzyStar 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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