V.Aye.R Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 4 hours ago, Michael W said: I've seen a fair bit of this and can't help but think it's a false economy in many cases. Are we just forgetting that commuting costs money? I see the attraction of using the company leccy and, if available, shower facilities to save money, but many people's commute will be more expensive than the saving. No doubt that WFH costs will increase, but in many cases not sufficiently so that going into the office will be financially beneficial. I cycle to work the days im in the office so shower there etc. I reckon I save about £4.50 a day on fuel. That said I still need to replenish the circa 1000 calories I burn doing so. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Clown Job Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 11 hours ago, RiG said: Maybe going into tinfoil hat territory here but given the Tories seem to despise people WFH maybe this is why they aren't wanting to offer much in the way of help as they'd rather get folk back into the office. To the benefit of many of their donors of course. They do get seething at the thought of someone working from home instead of travelling go an office 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Elixir said: A mild winter would make Vladimir very sad. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 13 hours ago, RH33 said: Scottish Power have billed me for the three days they supplied my new house. Not sure how we got through £8.18 of electricity when nothing was plugged in! Add in standing charge and £10.75 for 3 days. I hope this is a final bill and you are switching to a supplier who knows what they are doing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 Got my first three emails from various people at the DWP offering to help with my rising "enegry" costs. Good to see the scammers are keeping up to date with the news to help their own businesses. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH33 Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 32 minutes ago, scottsdad said: I hope this is a final bill and you are switching to a supplier who knows what they are doing. I've brought EDF with me, wouldn't touch SP with a barge pole. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 17 hours ago, Michael W said: I've seen a fair bit of this and can't help but think it's a false economy in many cases. Are we just forgetting that commuting costs money? I see the attraction of using the company leccy and, if available, shower facilities to save money, but many people's commute will be more expensive than the saving. No doubt that WFH costs will increase, but in many cases not sufficiently so that going into the office will be financially beneficial. I'm not convinced by the maths - I doubt working from home will cost £30 itself. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 17 minutes ago, hk blues said: I'm not convinced by the maths - I doubt working from home will cost £30 itself. Some of the people I work with have always refused to put the heating on during the day since working from home due to Covid. Even before the current mess you'd see them on Teams calls sat in their house with a coat and hat on. They aren't doing anything for the stereotype as it was mostly people in Yorkshire. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 1 minute ago, Left Back said: Some of the people I work with have always refused to put the heating on during the day since working from home due to Covid. Even before the current mess you'd see them on Teams calls sat in their house with a coat and hat on. They aren't doing anything for the stereotype as it was mostly people in Yorkshire. Typical Yorkshire! Joking apart, I'm not sure how much they're saving as presumably they put their heating on at night and it will take longer to hear from cold. Regardless, F*** sitting in the cold. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdu98196 Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 28 minutes ago, hk blues said: Regardless, F*** sitting in the cold. Still might be preferable to an office with arseholes having to make 'polite smalltalk' and watching little cliques sit around doing f**k all other than interfering in matters that have no interest but are suitable excuses to divert from their tasks and arse-kiss managers by trying to look invaluable. Or maybe thats just my organisation(s)........ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, bdu98196 said: Still might be preferable to an office with arseholes having to make 'polite smalltalk' and watching little cliques sit around doing f**k all other than interfering in matters that have no interest but are suitable excuses to divert from their tasks and arse-kiss managers by trying to look invaluable. Or maybe thats just my organisation(s)........ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eez-eh Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 It’s all the right-wing “get back to the office lazy!” papers that are pushing that narrative. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Self-raising Lazarus Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 13 minutes ago, eez-eh said: It’s all the right-wing “get back to the office lazy!” papers that are pushing that narrative. And Likely their advertisers who rely on building/leasing office space. Working from home should be encouraged as part of the leveling up agenda, pulling workers back out of south eastern England and possibly lowering rent prices......Unless that's what they want to maintain. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEY_SIDNEY Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 18 hours ago, Gordon EF said: If your meter doesn't move, then there's no record of your usage anywhere. If lots of folk were in that situation, suppliers would be constantly underestimating how much energy was actually being used so wouldn't buy enough, so the system would constantly be short. National Grid would pay generators to make up the shortfall (at a premium) and since no supplier would be registered as short, the bill would just go to the taxpayer I suppose. Both Scottish Power and Bulb were happy to just let me use free electricity rather than replace the meter (although, tbf, the thieving b*****ds both tried to just make me pay on estimated usage). I've heard this a few times with Scottish Power. So they did try to charge you after saying they never? Estimated or not they tried to charge you. If a meter has stopped then the absolute first port of call for any supplier should be to have that meter rectified. I’m astounded by SP and Bulb just allowing it to remain broken. If this were the case then there would be a lot more “free” electricity in the UK. All depends on type of meter, maybe have been battery, maybe have been internal but almost certain the meter needs replaced. I don’t have figures on how many need replaced on a daily weekly or monthly basis but I’m am confident it’s not common places what your two supplies have allowed to happen. interested to know what the outcome of this was? Is it still broken and you are getting free electricity? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, HEY_SIDNEY said: So they did try to charge you after saying they never? Estimated or not they tried to charge you. If a meter has stopped then the absolute first port of call for any supplier should be to have that meter rectified. I’m astounded by SP and Bulb just allowing it to remain broken. If this were the case then there would be a lot more “free” electricity in the UK. All depends on type of meter, maybe have been battery, maybe have been internal but almost certain the meter needs replaced. I don’t have figures on how many need replaced on a daily weekly or monthly basis but I’m am confident it’s not common places what your two supplies have allowed to happen. interested to know what the outcome of this was? Is it still broken and you are getting free electricity? I don't think it's "common". I just think it happens more than people would think because it really shouldn't be happening at all. I know someone who moved into a house where the meter hasn't been working since the house was built, so that property has never paid for electricity. The supplier (Scottish Power) has been aware of this for years and hasn't done anything about it. I got two years worth of free electricity at that flat. I moved out a year ago but I'd bet decent money it's still not fixed. It's the supplier's responsibility to fix but they don't bother because they system's built so that nobody is incentivised to fix the problem. Edited August 31, 2022 by Gordon EF 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loonytoons Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 I don't think it's "common". I just think it happens more than people would think because it really shouldn't be happening at all. I know someone who moved into a house where the meter hasn't been working since the house was built, so that property has never paid for electricity. The supplier (Scottish Power) has been aware of this for years and hasn't done anything about it. I got two years worth of free electricity at that flat. I moved out a year ago but I'd bet decent money it's still not fixed. It's the supplier's responsibility to fix but they don't bother because they system's built so that nobody is incentivised to fix the problem.Something similar when I moved into a flat in Edinburgh. I couldn't find who'd been supplying the electricity to the previous homeowner. All companies stated it wasn't them.I got free power for a couple of months before one of them took it on.Can't really remember the specifics, it was near 25 years ago. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEY_SIDNEY Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Loonytoons said: Something similar when I moved into a flat in Edinburgh. I couldn't find who'd been supplying the electricity to the previous homeowner. All companies stated it wasn't them. I got free power for a couple of months before one of them took it on. Can't really remember the specifics, it was near 25 years ago. National database - ECOES for electricity would have had the supplier of the property. Problem with they bliddy Edinburgh flats is that the flat 1/1 0/1LR 1/2TFL are very tricky and easily mixed up. So potentially unless the MsN is read out then it’s tricky to determine. Anyway, I agree with Gordon EF on it not being common, it’s very few n far between but SP should be fixing that asap. Maybe that’s the standards between that company and the one I work for. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/sep/01/ovo-energy-chief-calls-for-progressive-scheme-for-bills-similar-to-tax-system Doesn't seem an unreasonable idea in the fucking ridiculous context. Quote Speaking to Sky News about energy prices during a visit to the US, the chancellor, Nadim Zahawi, said he was working with energy firms and non-governmental organisations to ensure that struggling households get financial help. [...] “One of my concerns is the scarring effect on the economy if perfectly viable businesses in hospitality, in leisure, in high-energy use businesses would actually suffer or no longer exist because of Putin’s use of energy as a weapon,” he said. Yep, how dare big, bad, Putin!!!!1111!!!! use an economic resource as a weapon: says the UK government that declared economic warfare on Putin's country six months ago. Actions = consequences. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted September 1, 2022 Share Posted September 1, 2022 On 23/08/2022 at 19:35, welshbairn said: In the medium to long term Russia will be massively hit by Europe trying to diversify its energy supplies away from them as much as possible. Their export infrastructure is nearly all focused on the West and they're hugely dependent on oil and gas exports, along with other raw materials. The price bubble won't last forever and European countries will make every effort to avoid future dependence on Russia even after their Ukraine adventures come to an end. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/aug/31/gazprom-to-pay-kremlin-86bn-after-record-profits Seems legit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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