realmadrid Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 Even with the 3 point deduction with 6 direct places and 1 in a play off its harder not to qualify than qualify from South America. It does seem mad to play 90 games over 2 years and 2 months and eliminate only 3 teams. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 (edited) Asian qualification is about the most ludicrously convoluted in history. On paper can play 24 games over 7 rounds lasting 2.5yrs but not qualify (indeed strong likelihood somebody will play 21-22 and not):Sep 2023 free First Round 2 games lowest 20 nations play-off over 2 legs winners progress Oct 2023Second Round 6 games 9 groups of 4 top 2 in each group progress Nov 2023/Mar-Jun 2024Third Round 10 games 3 groups of 6 top 2 in each group qualify/middle 2 progress Sep-Oct-Nov 2024/Mar-Jun 2025Sep 2025 free Fourth Round 2 games 2 groups of 3 winner of each group qualify/2nd progress Oct 2025Fifth Round 2 games playoff over 2 legs winner progresses to Intercontinental Playoff Nov 2025Intercontinental Playoff Semi-Final 1 game playoff over 1 leg Mar 2026Intercontinental Playoff Final 1 game playoff over 1 leg Mar 2026 Edited September 7, 2023 by HibeeJibee 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 In both cases this is because they also take the place of qualifiers for continental competition - Asia double theirs up with Asian Cup qualifying, and South America don't obviously have any qualifiers for Copa America. The obvious solution in the latter case would be to combine the Americas together for qualifying, but North America are never going to go for that because there would be far fewer of their teams qualifying. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 I'd imagine broadcasters also like the guarantee of Argentina vs Brazil and Mexico vs USA games. One fairly obvious change they could make to CONMEBOL is to rename the qualifiers "The CONMEBOL Nations League", or something like that, and give the team that finishes top an actual trophy. That would at least maintain a bit of interest to the end, there are going to be shitloads of dead rubber games with so many teams qualifying now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realmadrid Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 1 hour ago, craigkillie said: In both cases this is because they also take the place of qualifiers for continental competition - Asia double theirs up with Asian Cup qualifying, and South America don't obviously have any qualifiers for Copa America. The obvious solution in the latter case would be to combine the Americas together for qualifying, but North America are never going to go for that because there would be far fewer of their teams qualifying. i often thought there should be 4 zones from Qualification, all with similar number of teams Europe, Africa, The Americas and Asia including Oceania 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realmadrid Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 An absolute goal fest to start the competition Paraguay 0-0 Peru Columbia 1-0 Venezuela Argentina 1-0 Ecuador 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted September 9, 2023 Share Posted September 9, 2023 20 hours ago, realmadrid said: i often thought there should be 4 zones from Qualification, all with similar number of teams Europe, Africa, The Americas and Asia including Oceania I don’t think North America would go for this, although it would probably be better to have the likes of Venezuela and Bolivia qualify than some of the Central American diddies that sneak in (especially in the next World Cup when the best 3 teams in CONCACAF qualify automatically). Oceania might have gone for this before they finally got an automatic qualification space. New Zealand are a dead certs to qualify every time now unless Australia rejoin at any point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted September 9, 2023 Share Posted September 9, 2023 2 hours ago, Donathan said: I don’t think North America would go for this, although it would probably be better to have the likes of Venezuela and Bolivia qualify than some of the Central American diddies that sneak in (especially in the next World Cup when the best 3 teams in CONCACAF qualify automatically). Oceania might have gone for this before they finally got an automatic qualification space. New Zealand are a dead certs to qualify every time now unless Australia rejoin at any point. OCF + NZ proposed this back in 2000s/early 2010s: their winner (i.e. NZ) join Asia's last stage (2 pools of 6) with each's intercontinental playoff slots merged in 1 extra automatic slot. Asia said "no". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherrif John Bunnell Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Bad news for Guam fans. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eednud Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Palestine v Australia qualifier scheduled for 21 Nov will be played in Algeria. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eednud Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Sherrif John Bunnell said: Bad news for Guam fans. Improvement on their first qualifying attempt in 2000 when they lost 0-19 to Iran followed two days later by 0-16 against Tajikistan. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Good start for Venezuela. Hopefully they finally break their duck, always nice to see new teams qualify. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eednud Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 On 17/10/2023 at 18:47, Eednud said: Palestine v Australia qualifier scheduled for 21 Nov will be played in Algeria. Change of venue. Will now be played in Kuwait. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swarley Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 Could be some big scores in tonight/today's Asia Qualifying games. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Patterson Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 17 hours ago, Swarley said: Could be some big scores in tonight/today's Asia Qualifying games. So there were: Qatar 8-1 Afghanistan - Afghanistan had to play U21 players as their senior team was on strike after unpaid wages. Australia 7-0 Bangladesh - Harry Souttar opened the scoring with Jamie Maclaren sniping a hat-trick Japan 5-0 Burma South Korea 5-0 Singapore Iran 4-0 Hong Kong - 6,000 turning up to their 78k national stadium for that one - tells you how popular the current regime is there. Iraq 5-1 Indonesia - How can a country of 250 million be so bad at football (same with China and India) Saudi Arabia 4-0 Pakistan Couple of other results Malaysia 4-3 Kyrgyzstan - A last minute winner for Malaysia Syria 1-0 North Korea - Played in Saudi Arabia - yikes. There was a start for Han Kwang-song - former Juventus player - who hasn't been seen since moving back to North Korea two years ago. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 (edited) Both Argentina and Brazil lose. Brazil currently below Venezuela in the qualifying table. Edited November 17, 2023 by Bully Wee Villa 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernLights Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 On 17/11/2023 at 02:03, Bully Wee Villa said: Both Argentina and Brazil lose. Brazil currently below Venezuela in the qualifying table. Another defeat for Brazil last night, this time against Argentina. They now sit 6th in the last automatic spot. I would find it hilarious if they failed to qualify but that seems highly unlikely given the percentage of COMNEBAL teams that will qualify for the finals. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swarley Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 Just now, NorthernLights said: Another defeat for Brazil last night, this time against Argentina. They now sit 6th in the last automatic spot. I would find it hilarious if they failed to qualify but that seems highly unlikely given the percentage of COMNEBAL teams that will qualify for the finals. I agree, would love to see Brazil fail to qualify. But no doubt FIFA would let them in somehow, via invitation or some nonsense. Also agree it seems ridiculous that 60% of South America can qualify automatically. All seemed to kick off in the stands pre match with the Brazilian police battering the Argentine support. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 CAF qualifiers started in this international break too. The increase in places means that from the previous system of three rounds with 10 groups of 4 in the second round then the group winners having a playoff, they've now moved to a less cutthroat all in format with 9 groups of 6, group winners qualify then the four best runners-up playoff for the one spot in the intercontinental playoffs. Although one group is down to five teams only as Eritrea withdrew before qualifying started. Long way to go with groups of that size, but some potentially big results at an early stage for teams who might look to challenge the favourites. Rwanda beat South Africa 2-0, Nigeria are also in that group but started with draws v Lesotho & Zimbabwe, the latter also drawing with Rwanda. Comoros beat Ghana 1-0 and have 6 points after two games having also beaten Central African Republic. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 23, 2023 Author Share Posted November 23, 2023 On 22/11/2023 at 08:09, Swarley said: I agree, would love to see Brazil fail to qualify. But no doubt FIFA would let them in somehow, via invitation or some nonsense. Also agree it seems ridiculous that 60% of South America can qualify automatically. All seemed to kick off in the stands pre match with the Brazilian police battering the Argentine support. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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