Comrie Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 The officials for Killie. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkboy Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 6 hours ago, Comrie said: The officials for Killie. Ah, how exciting, first game back and I get to give some abuse to that Tory arsehole into the bargain 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Jakey Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 5 hours ago, forkboy said: Ah, how exciting, first game back and I get to give some abuse to that Tory arsehole into the bargain Irony claxon -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkboy Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Pete the Jakey said: Irony claxon You'll have to explain that one 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Jakey Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 4 hours ago, forkboy said: You'll have to explain that one A fan who's boycotted the club due to abusive text messages is excited to "give some abuse to that Tory arsehole". Sending abusive text messages: bad. Abusing officials: good. Did I mention that football fans are fickle? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 Is Tory a race now? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonHMFC Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, Pete the Jakey said: A fan who's boycotted the club due to abusive text messages is excited to "give some abuse to that Tory arsehole". Sending abusive text messages: bad. Abusing officials: good. Did I mention that football fans are fickle? I very much doubt his abuse would be anti semitic, homophobic or sexist. Calling a c**t a c**t is absolutely fine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Jakey Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 49 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Is Tory a race now? There are 9 protected characteristics in Scotland, unfortunately for my argument, political persuasion isnt one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkboy Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 51 minutes ago, Pete the Jakey said: A fan who's boycotted the club due to abusive text messages is excited to "give some abuse to that Tory arsehole". Sending abusive text messages: bad. Abusing officials: good. Did I mention that football fans are fickle? Aye, I figured that was what you were getting at but didn't want to jump on you without clarification. But seeing as you've given it. Holy shit that is either dumb as hell or else an utterly disingenuous attempt at a gotcha. Unsure which is sadder. No, racist/homophobic chat is not in fact the same thing as being mean to someone who's professional life is dedicated, intentionally or as a by-product, to making things worse for the poor, for minority groups, for the most vulnerable segments of society. And lest we forget that Douglas has his own rich history of being an open bigot: https://tfn.scot/news/tory-msp-slammed-for-bigoted-gypsy-traveller-comments Plenty of reasons to hate him. This is neither ironic or hypocritical but entirely consistent with my world view. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Jakey Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 23 minutes ago, forkboy said: Aye, I figured that was what you were getting at but didn't want to jump on you without clarification. But seeing as you've given it. Holy shit that is either dumb as hell or else an utterly disingenuous attempt at a gotcha. Unsure which is sadder. No, racist/homophobic chat is not in fact the same thing as being mean to someone who's professional life is dedicated, intentionally or as a by-product, to making things worse for the poor, for minority groups, for the most vulnerable segments of society. And lest we forget that Douglas has his own rich history of being an open bigot: https://tfn.scot/news/tory-msp-slammed-for-bigoted-gypsy-traveller-comments Plenty of reasons to hate him. This is neither ironic or hypocritical but entirely consistent with my world view. Yeah, I'll admit I'm on a sticky wicket here. However I do find it a little ironic that for someone who is so principled as to boycott their supposed football club then wants to spend their first game back abusing a linesman, albeit a Tory linesman. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris00 Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 No wonder there are fewer and fewer match officials when a fan says they going to abuse an official. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broughty Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 12 hours ago, Pete the Jakey said: Irony claxon Why? surely one of the honest MSP's 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 5 hours ago, Pete the Jakey said: Yeah, I'll admit I'm on a sticky wicket here. However I do find it a little ironic that for someone who is so principled as to boycott their supposed football club then wants to spend their first game back abusing a linesman, albeit a Tory linesman. Your not on a sticky wicket as far as I am concerned. Abuse is abuse and shouldnt be tolerated. I bet those who use the 'anonimity' of the stands wouldnt say what they shout on a one to one basis to any person. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosscubed Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 6 hours ago, Pete the Jakey said: There are 9 protected characteristics in Scotland, unfortunately for my argument, political persuasion isnt one. Religion and belief is though, which includes philosophical beliefs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosscubed Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 6 hours ago, forkboy said: Aye, I figured that was what you were getting at but didn't want to jump on you without clarification. But seeing as you've given it. Holy shit that is either dumb as hell or else an utterly disingenuous attempt at a gotcha. Unsure which is sadder. No, racist/homophobic chat is not in fact the same thing as being mean to someone who's professional life is dedicated, intentionally or as a by-product, to making things worse for the poor, for minority groups, for the most vulnerable segments of society. And lest we forget that Douglas has his own rich history of being an open bigot: https://tfn.scot/news/tory-msp-slammed-for-bigoted-gypsy-traveller-comments Plenty of reasons to hate him. This is neither ironic or hypocritical but entirely consistent with my world view. No fan of the Tories in general or Ross in particular, but this isn't about your personal view of him (reasons to hate him etc), it's about abuse. You've said (and doubled down) on the legitimacy of abusing someone in a public place because you don't like their politics, but at the same time you've taken a moral stance on the basis of someone else's abuse of a different type. Does PtJs moderate highlighting of that discrepancy really merit that level of response (Dumb as hell/utterly disingenuous etc)? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staggie52 Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 35 minutes ago, Rosscubed said: Religion and belief is though, which includes philosophical beliefs. But of course that doesn’t cover political choice, and, as the High Court in England yesterday made it clear calling a Tory MP “Tory scum” is not illegal and is therefore acceptable as a political comment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted November 22, 2023 Author Share Posted November 22, 2023 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosscubed Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 (edited) Aye Staggie52, it's an interesting area, and gets fuzzier of the full scope of hate incident legislation is enacted, where it's the perception of motivation that matters. But yes, def take the point that politics per se are not a PC. Edited November 22, 2023 by Rosscubed 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkboy Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 2 hours ago, Rosscubed said: No fan of the Tories in general or Ross in particular, but this isn't about your personal view of him (reasons to hate him etc), it's about abuse. You've said (and doubled down) on the legitimacy of abusing someone in a public place because you don't like their politics, but at the same time you've taken a moral stance on the basis of someone else's abuse of a different type. Does PtJs moderate highlighting of that discrepancy really merit that level of response (Dumb as hell/utterly disingenuous etc)? Yes, it does. Either he's comparing racist & homophobic abuse to being rude to an elected official, a party leader at that, which is in fact very stupid, or he's only even mentioning it because he's got some bee in his bonnet with me for whatever reason. Which is his right but doesn't mean I have to treat his "concerns" with any seriousness. I'd rather talk about the football though, believe it or not, so for the sake of avoiding these tedious derails I'll keep schtum about Douglas Ross from now on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosscubed Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 8 hours ago, forkboy said: Yes, it does. Either he's comparing racist & homophobic abuse to being rude to an elected official, a party leader at that, which is in fact very stupid, or he's only even mentioning it because he's got some bee in his bonnet with me for whatever reason. Which is his right but doesn't mean I have to treat his "concerns" with any seriousness. I'd rather talk about the football though, believe it or not, so for the sake of avoiding these tedious derails I'll keep schtum about Douglas Ross from now on. I am also all for a thread with more football and less Douglas Ross, so we're aligned there. Onwards to speculation over the glories or horrors that await us under the third Adams era. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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