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5 hours ago, AM-1 said:

Not so good, wish the kid a speedy recovery.

What's the consensus amongst the Lok fans with Murdies signings? Can't help but think u guys have under achieved with the turnover in players.

He has picked up some very good players this season but the question is whether we can improve on third place which in this league with the standard of competition is a big ask.There is quality right through the Darvel and Auchinleck sides and plenty of other strong teams in the Division.

what was disappointing was that following the two very narrow away league defeats at Auchinleck and Darvel we just seemed to collapse completely after playing really well for the previous 6 months and when if we had steadied the ship and got back to winning ways we would still have been very much in the hunt-but the heads or whatever went down and we looked devoid of any ideas or inspiration barely winning a game thereafter.

Murdie is a good guy and very committed but this season will be pivotal for him.

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He has picked up some very good players this season but the question is whether we can improve on third place which in this league with the standard of competition is a big ask.There is quality right through the Darvel and Auchinleck sides and plenty of other strong teams in the Division.
what was disappointing was that following the two very narrow away league defeats at Auchinleck and Darvel we just seemed to collapse completely after playing really well for the previous 6 months and when if we had steadied the ship and got back to winning ways we would still have been very much in the hunt-but the heads or whatever went down and we looked devoid of any ideas or inspiration barely winning a game thereafter.
Murdie is a good guy and very committed but this season will be pivotal for him.
He's maybe a good guy but he's a hopeless manager.
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2 hours ago, andy25 said:
3 hours ago, Lokloyal said:
He has picked up some very good players this season but the question is whether we can improve on third place which in this league with the standard of competition is a big ask.There is quality right through the Darvel and Auchinleck sides and plenty of other strong teams in the Division.
what was disappointing was that following the two very narrow away league defeats at Auchinleck and Darvel we just seemed to collapse completely after playing really well for the previous 6 months and when if we had steadied the ship and got back to winning ways we would still have been very much in the hunt-but the heads or whatever went down and we looked devoid of any ideas or inspiration barely winning a game thereafter.
Murdie is a good guy and very committed but this season will be pivotal for him.

He's maybe a good guy but he's a hopeless manager.

Don’t think he’s hopeless but this season will be pivotal as I said.

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23 minutes ago, Lokloyal said:

I believe so but it will still provide for termination in various circumstances including non performance however that is benchmarked I am sure.

Doubt it. Why would he sign that, it is of absolutely no benefit to him. If he does poorly he still gets bulleted with no benefit of a 4 year contract. If he does well he gets to stay on but makes it harder for him to move on if biggar teams show an interest

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1 hour ago, Wile E Coyote said:

Doubt it. Why would he sign that, it is of absolutely no benefit to him. If he does poorly he still gets bulleted with no benefit of a 4 year contract. If he does well he gets to stay on but makes it harder for him to move on if biggar teams show an interest

I am certain the contract will as with any employment contract contain provisions including termination in the event of non performance amongst other things.It won’t just be a bombproof guarantee of a job for x years for the employee.

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7 hours ago, Lokloyal said:

I am certain the contract will as with any employment contract contain provisions including termination in the event of non performance amongst other things.It won’t just be a bombproof guarantee of a job for x years for the employee.

Would anybody sign a contract like that? How would non-performance be defined?

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1 hour ago, Sergeant Wilson said:

Would anybody sign a contract like that? How would non-performance be defined?

Would assume a set of objectives would be set on a year by year basis and if objectives aren’t met then the contract will have a termination option presumably with some sort of compensation however.

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26 minutes ago, ibenji said:

Would assume a set of objectives would be set on a year by year basis and if objectives aren’t met then the contract will have a termination option presumably with some sort of compensation however.

Objectives won't be contractual. The reason managers are compensated is to "compensate" for early termination. A football coach isn't normally given the protection you or I would get if we were struggling at work. Are they offered retraining, time off, any normal work place support?

They might be doing everything right and still "fail" if someone misses a penalty etc.

They face the consequences of summary dismissal, hence they are compensated. Some will demand the full amount, others won't.

 

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11 hours ago, Sergeant Wilson said:

Objectives won't be contractual. The reason managers are compensated is to "compensate" for early termination. A football coach isn't normally given the protection you or I would get if we were struggling at work. Are they offered retraining, time off, any normal work place support?

They might be doing everything right and still "fail" if someone misses a penalty etc.

They face the consequences of summary dismissal, hence they are compensated. Some will demand the full amount, others won't.

 

They are  paid employees in an employer/employee contractual relationship as many are.The same rules of employment law apply as do the same negotiations around contracts.The specifics of sports contracts are nuanced and different but they still exist in great detail.

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17 minutes ago, Lokloyal said:

They are  paid employees in an employer/employee contractual relationship as many are.The same rules of employment law apply as do the same negotiations around contracts.The specifics of sports contracts are nuanced and different but they still exist in great detail.

No football contract I've ever seen or heard of is structured in a way that would say eg, must be in top three or win a cup. A manager/coach job is to prepare the players to play games.

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13 hours ago, Sergeant Wilson said:

No football contract I've ever seen or heard of is structured in a way that would say eg, must be in top three or win a cup. A manager/coach job is to prepare the players to play games.

It’s difficult to know the specifics of course but it will have objectives which allow employer/employee to assess how things are going and if they are not running to plan to allow for termination-otherwise you have an employee sitting in a job where you can’t get rid of them no matter what they do which obviously can’t be the case.

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Just now, Lokloyal said:

It’s difficult to know the specifics of course but it will have objectives which allow employer/employee to assess how things are going and if they are not running to plan to allow for termination-otherwise you have an employee sitting in a job where you can’t get rid of them no matter what they do which obviously can’t be the case.

And bear in mind that a negotiated contract can contain whatever bespoke terms are negotiated between the parties subject of course to UK employment legislation.

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