ScotiaNostra Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 (edited) 2 minutes ago, virginton said: So you're claiming that the investigative journalism of Private Eye regarding the Ted Crilly campaign funds was fabricated because Sturgeon's husband? So misuse of office is acceptable so long as it's working against people you don't like. Absolutely laughable stuff, if this didn't also seem to be the mainstream SNP line on the issue too. We're fast approaching a Scottish Labour in the early 2000s level of arrogance and party functionalism. I was thinking something similar earlier, this is very much the same as labour in 90¨s/2000s in how the SNP are taking voters for granted, they expect to win whatever and that means they arent making much effort to actually run things well Edited March 18 by ScotiaNostra 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 43 minutes ago, Willie adie said: I was sent a voting ballot despite have ended my membership more than 3 yrs ago This sounds a wee bit sinister to me. Presumably you are still counted as a member. How many others are in this situation? Could this be connected in some way to the Executive's dithering over revealing actual membership figures? As the Eye would say, I think we should be told. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Khaki Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 I think it's long been clear there is some sort of nonsense going on with how and when the membership info that was passed to Mi-voice was collated. Seemingly it's typical that it takes 3 months for cancelled memberships to actually be removed, so it's not surprising to see anyone who was a member between November 15th 2022 and February 15th 2023 receive a ballot, but the numbers of former members who left long before that reporting having received an email ballot suggests something far more egregious. It's as if whoever and whatever is in overall control of updating the membership database is either totally incompetent, lazy and intransigent, or totally indifferent for whatever reason. It's a shambles. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy Sobotka Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Deary me, what an almighty mess. Sturgeon and Murrell have absolutely fucked this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 2 minutes ago, Boo Khaki said: It's as if whoever and whatever is in overall control of updating the membership database is either totally incompetent, lazy and intransigent, or totally indifferent for whatever reason. It's a shambles. Or all of these? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 6 minutes ago, Boo Khaki said: It's as if whoever and whatever is in overall control of updating the membership database is either totally incompetent, lazy and intransigent, or totally indifferent for whatever reason. It's a shambles. I've found the culprit... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Khaki Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 1 minute ago, ICTJohnboy said: Or all of these? Quite possibly, yes. Having worked in admin roles in the past I can see why this is the sort of thing that usually gets relegated to low priority and suffers as a result, but there's no excuse for being unable to take an accurate snapshot of actual membership on Feb 15th or whenever. In all honesty, it stinks to me of something that has been neglected as a result of a deliberate decision, and the total absence of oversight has let it atrophy to a point whereby it was impossible to accurately glean the necessary info. As much as I think Regan is a total loon, I actually think she has a credible case for getting this shelved while it's sorted out independently. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orfc Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 But I thought the SNP's membership system was so top notch they counted it as an asset on their balance sheet? https://westbrook.co.uk/project-snp/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Crùbag Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 1 hour ago, ScotiaNostra said: its not enough to win elections though you actually have to implement policies and improve things once your in power, thats the failure Not disagreeing but can you point to any of our other fellow 'nations' or near neighbours were things have improved? Yoons like to raise NHS and ferry failures yet our NHS and public transport is better than the rest of the UK. Even Chris Witty praised our NHS. All this despite not having all hands on the levers of power which the UK Gov has. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 1 hour ago, ICTJohnboy said: Presumably you are still counted as a member. How many others are in this situation? Me too, I forgot to renew in January and still got a vote - cast it as well. Not sure which version of exsel they are holding the records on, but by f**k it needs an update !! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 14 minutes ago, Crùbag said: Not disagreeing but can you point to any of our other fellow 'nations' or near neighbours were things have improved? Yoons like to raise NHS and ferry failures yet our NHS and public transport is better than the rest of the UK. Even Chris Witty praised our NHS. All this despite not having all hands on the levers of power which the UK Gov has. Whataboutery. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wirez Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 With everything that has gone on they need to scrap this election and start over again. Not taking any action risks a LIz Truss clown shoe situation. -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Independence won't be won if any time criticism is levelled at the SG we say but it's much worse in Englandshire. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 2 hours ago, welshbairn said: I shudder to think of Ash Regan thinking for herself, it's bad enough with Kirk Torrance and Cherry doing it for her. The SNP have done well to keep the likes of Regan and Cherry out of the limelight. The ways and means of doing so are coming to light now. Unfortunately the lunatic fringe of the party are much more to the fore. It masquerades as “critical” stances, but in reality it’s unhinged lunacy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 (edited) 6 minutes ago, wirez said: With everything that has gone on they need to scrap this election and start over again. Not taking any action risks a LIz Truss clown shoe situation. The trouble is that votes have been cast. Its a hard thing to stop now. As I see it there are three options: Carry on regardless. Suggestions of impropriety remain especially around those eligible to vote (which does look a bit ropey). Whoever loses complains that it was rigged. Scrap the whole thing and re-run it. Suggestions will be that they did so because Humza wasn't going to win. You could appoint an independent auditor to oversee the process. Checking that the membership list from HQ to MiVoice only contained active members or memberships that lapsed within 3 months. This might seem like conceding to Ash. I don't envy the National Secretary, this has been a debacle. Damned no matter what you do. Edited March 18 by Trogdor 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 2 minutes ago, Savage Henry said: The SNP have done well to keep the likes of Regan and Cherry out of the limelight. The ways and means of doing so are coming to light now. Unfortunately the lunatic fringe of the party are much more to the fore. It masquerades as “critical” stances, but in reality it’s unhinged lunacy. Political parties have lunatic fringe shock 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 1 minute ago, Binos said: Political parties have lunatic fringe shock The point is the extent you keep them away from the cameras. The SNP have been excellent at this, for whatever reason. Other parties have had them out, front and centre. The brain mush element have been empowered, and we’re even seeing it in this thread. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 3 minutes ago, Savage Henry said: The point is the extent you keep them away from the cameras. The SNP have been excellent at this, for whatever reason. Other parties have had them out, front and centre. The brain mush element have been empowered, and we’re even seeing it in this thread. There's no way ash regan is getting voted in so we're not heading down a corbyn path 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Just now, Binos said: There's no way ash regan is getting voted in so we're not heading down a corbyn path I was thinking more Jacob Rees Mogg. There are, however, posters in this very thread who claim Regan “gets things done”. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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