The Very Meh Humza Yousaf Thread.

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

Id imagine it would either be a candidate country or one which it has a free trade agreement with?

I don't think its actual categories being referred to here but rather just semantic convention. Where there's fellow members to an agreement, they approach each other on an equal footing. They are both first parties. There is no second party but there are two first parties. This is why an outsider entity then gets called a third party.

[Dan Steele]

8 hours ago, moses1924 said:

What's a second country then, assuming member states are 1st countries?

Good question and I'm not entirely sure, tbh, but trade outside the EU is the responsibility of the EU, not the governments of the members of the EU, so I could see a second country being any member state within the EU. 

[Blue Brazil Forever]

 

NOT MY FIRST MINISTER

He may be (just) the Leader of the SNP for all his fine words Hamza Yousuf is First Minister of the SNP/Greens followers only. His agenda and actions are designed only to please his divided party and to maintain the coalition. The greens are dominant as a result and are putting forward a series of unpopular, ineffective and costly Government initiatives. Nicola Sturgeon did show strong leadership as First Minister for all the people of Scotland. Hamza Yousuf can't or won't demonstrate similar competence.

 

 

[Billy Jean King]

8 minutes ago, Blue Brazil Forever said:

 

NOT MY FIRST MINISTER

He may be (just) the Leader of the SNP for all his fine words Hamza Yousuf is First Minister of the SNP/Greens followers only. His agenda and actions are designed only to please his divided party and to maintain the coalition. The greens are dominant as a result and are putting forward a series of unpopular, ineffective and costly Government initiatives. Nicola Sturgeon did show strong leadership as First Minister for all the people of Scotland. Hamza Yousuf can't or won't demonstrate similar competence.

 

 

What a frothing mess,  clearly rattled by the "extremely modest" turnout for the charade in Edinburgh today, so much so you actually use the exact same phrase that was front and centre at the protest there.

Oh and you trying to champion NS, pull the other one

[Wee-Bey]

A genuinely terrible cut and paste job there.

[StellarHibee]

1 hour ago, Blue Brazil Forever said:

NOT MY FIRST MINISTER

He may be (just) the Leader of the SNP for all his fine words Hamza Yousuf is First Minister of the SNP/Greens followers only. His agenda and actions are designed only to please his divided party and to maintain the coalition. The greens are dominant as a result and are putting forward a series of unpopular, ineffective and costly Government initiatives. Nicola Sturgeon did show strong leadership as First Minister for all the people of Scotland. Hamza Yousuf can't or won't demonstrate similar competence.

Good thing we have old Charlie boy to show strong leadership for all the people in Scotland. Stopping by to snatch the jewels, then high tailing it out of there as quickly as possible.

[razamanaz]

20 hours ago, Blue Brazil Forever said:

 

NOT MY FIRST MINISTER

He may be (just) the Leader of the SNP for all his fine words Hamza Yousuf is First Minister of the SNP/Greens followers only. His agenda and actions are designed only to please his divided party and to maintain the coalition. The greens are dominant as a result and are putting forward a series of unpopular, ineffective and costly Government initiatives. Nicola Sturgeon did show strong leadership as First Minister for all the people of Scotland. Hamza Yousuf can't or won't demonstrate similar competence.

 

 

Nicola Sturgeon was a strong leader, just like Saddam Hussein, with her foot on any dissenters neck - don't think she was a good leader for all the people of Scotland. Nasty wee wumin

[StellarHibee]

5 minutes ago, razamanaz said:

Nicola Sturgeon was a strong leader, just like Saddam Hussein

Thank feck for weak leaders like Liz Truss and Rishi Sunak. Anything else would be a regime.

[Scary Bear]

21 hours ago, Blue Brazil Forever said:

 

NOT MY FIRST MINISTER

He may be (just) the Leader of the SNP for all his fine words Hamza Yousuf is First Minister of the SNP/Greens followers only. His agenda and actions are designed only to please his divided party and to maintain the coalition. The greens are dominant as a result and are putting forward a series of unpopular, ineffective and costly Government initiatives. Nicola Sturgeon did show strong leadership as First Minister for all the people of Scotland. Hamza Yousuf can't or won't demonstrate similar competence.

 

 

I remember when this sort of stuff was confined to the local newspaper letters section.

[Trogdor]

100 days of Humza. He's comfortably outlasted the lettuce and Liz Truss. I think its been a decidedly mixed bag so far.

I am concerned that he fails to appreciate how pissed off a chunk of the independence movement and the wider electorate are with the SNP.

He needs to break with the old regime. I'd rather he jettisoned the Greens but to do so now after he has hitched his wagon to theirs seems unlikely. Apathy and turnout is the enemy here. He needs to engage and inspire. Its hard to say he is doing either at present.

[StellarHibee]

1 minute ago, Trogdor said:

100 days of Humza. He's comfortably outlasted the lettuce and Liz Truss. I think its been a decidedly mixed bag so far.

I am concerned that he fails to appreciate how pissed off a chunk of the independence movement and the wider electorate are with the SNP.

He needs to break with the old regime. I'd rather he jettisoned the Greens but to do so now after he has hitched his wagon to theirs seems unlikely. Apathy and turnout is the enemy here. He needs to engage and inspire. Its hard to say he is doing either at present.

There's too much division. He's trying to walk a tight rope that's no longer there to walk along.

[Jeff Venom]

tHeY dOnT sPeAk fOr mE!1!1! is some patter given Scotland has a PR parliament. 

Maybe if the others running in Scotland weren't such lame also-rans then the ones who apparently do speak for you would have more space to cut through. Better yet, in an Independent Scotland, they'd have even more space to 'speak for you'. 

Of course this is how grown up democracies work, feel free to campaign for a better system if you're not being represented. 

[welshbairn]

33 minutes ago, Trogdor said:

100 days of Humza. He's comfortably outlasted the lettuce and Liz Truss. I think its been a decidedly mixed bag so far.

I am concerned that he fails to appreciate how pissed off a chunk of the independence movement and the wider electorate are with the SNP.

He needs to break with the old regime. I'd rather he jettisoned the Greens but to do so now after he has hitched his wagon to theirs seems unlikely. Apathy and turnout is the enemy here. He needs to engage and inspire. Its hard to say he is doing either at present.

I don't think there's a whole lot he can do other than keep the ship steady until the police investigation is over. If there has been seriously dodgy stuff going on it's possible he doesn't know who else might be involved. He's been a lot more solid than I was expecting, no hissy fits so far.

Edited July 6, 2023 by welshbairn

[razamanaz]

1 hour ago, StellarHibee said:

Thank feck for weak leaders like Liz Truss and Rishi Sunak. Anything else would be a regime.

No-one can defend the Tories - that wasn't mentioned. Must be sore that Nicola wasn't the messiah

[Billy Jean King]

1 hour ago, Trogdor said:

100 days of Humza. He's comfortably outlasted the lettuce and Liz Truss. I think its been a decidedly mixed bag so far.

I am concerned that he fails to appreciate how pissed off a chunk of the independence movement and the wider electorate are with the SNP.

He needs to break with the old regime. I'd rather he jettisoned the Greens but to do so now after he has hitched his wagon to theirs seems unlikely. Apathy and turnout is the enemy here. He needs to engage and inspire. Its hard to say he is doing either at present.

And by intention or not he has managed to ditch two or three pretty poorly thought out policies in particular DRS and The Marine Protected Areas. It's about all that could be expected until the Police probe ends. Either way once that is over it should  (bound to) lead to a clear out.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

On 05/07/2023 at 18:04, Blue Brazil Forever said:

 

NOT MY FIRST MINISTER

He may be (just) the Leader of the SNP for all his fine words Hamza Yousuf is First Minister of the SNP/Greens followers only. His agenda and actions are designed only to please his divided party and to maintain the coalition. The greens are dominant as a result and are putting forward a series of unpopular, ineffective and costly Government initiatives. Nicola Sturgeon did show strong leadership as First Minister for all the people of Scotland. Hamza Yousuf can't or won't demonstrate similar competence.

 

 

What a fucking melt.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

6 hours ago, Trogdor said:

100 days of Humza. He's comfortably outlasted the lettuce and Liz Truss. I think its been a decidedly mixed bag so far.

I am concerned that he fails to appreciate how pissed off a chunk of the independence movement and the wider electorate are with the SNP.

He needs to break with the old regime. I'd rather he jettisoned the Greens but to do so now after he has hitched his wagon to theirs seems unlikely. Apathy and turnout is the enemy here. He needs to engage and inspire. Its hard to say he is doing either at present.

He seems to be ditching their policies which is a step in the right direction.

Hopefully they'll piss off in a huff if this continues.

Edited July 6, 2023 by DeeTillEhDeh

[ScotiaNostra]

Just to save this thread from falling off the front page 

[Guest]

https://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2023/06/25/beyond-the-limbo-of-the-union/

I found that a worthwhile read. The first of the author's five "lessons" most chimed with my own thoughts. You can't claim your political party to be social democratic only to allow the grouse moor revolutionary, Fergus Ewing, to throw public money at billionaires (Tory source but the info is correct: https://thinkscotland.org/2022/11/theres-not-just-a-ferry-fiasco-the-gupta-scandal-is-even-bigger/). Sturgeon's promotion of right wingers like Ewing is a mistake Yousaf will do well to avoid.

Edited July 26, 2023 by FreedomFarter

[vikingTON]

It's not a social democratic party though, it's the Scottish National Party. If Scottish voters want a party that claims to prioritise social democracy, they'll just vote Labour (and a large minority still do that). 

Salmond understood that the key to the SNP's success rests in maintaining a coalition between ideological currents that would split apart roughly 0.3 seconds after independence. Swinney pushed too far to the right previously; Sturgeon drifted too far towards pandering to the 'Laebur left me' brigade. While that was spectacularly successful in the short term after 2014, it then started costing it rural votes and has left the party in its cul-de-sac right now.