capt_oats Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 The B teams is a nonsense but the whole "go back to the old Reserve League" patter is rose-tinted pish tbqh. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiviLion Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 11 minutes ago, ropy said: I like to see both sides of an argument, is there anyone who has laid out the ‘benefits’ of this proposal? They are as follows: 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lithgierose Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 7 minutes ago, capt_oats said: The B teams is a nonsense but the whole "go back to the old Reserve League" patter is rose-tinted pish tbqh. Go back to ? There is a reserve league though. Why aren't the B teams in it ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrie Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 Absolute shite. Colt teams can do one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenGray Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 I hate it. But I have learned over time not to get angry with decisions made in Scottish Football as it makes no difference and in the end the wrong decision will get made made no matter what. Sad state of affairs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrison Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 27 minutes ago, ropy said: I like to see both sides of an argument, is there anyone who has laid out the ‘benefits’ of this proposal? There is no benefit to the wider game. The SFA, however, framed the Conference sitting outside of SPFL itself as being a 'benefit' as it wouldn't have to pass a more rigorous vote to gain approval. They know it's deeply unpopular, and they don't care. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insert Amusing Pseudonym Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 51 minutes ago, ropy said: I like to see both sides of an argument, is there anyone who has laid out the ‘benefits’ of this proposal? Bigger teams get to keep their younger players together in the vain hope that one or two of them will magically develop at age 21 by playing against worse players. It isn't compelling 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 1 hour ago, ropy said: I like to see both sides of an argument, is there anyone who has laid out the ‘benefits’ of this proposal? Bigoted sectarian c*nts get to hoover up, and ultimately/intentionally waste even more good young Scottish talent, as it maintains the duopoly. But 50% of them are good bigoted sectarian c***s! So that's alright then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lennyzer0 Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 Terrible, terrible idea - and if Hearts are supporting this, then I'm embarassed by my club. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Stiles Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 The name of this abomination is enough to put me off it before looking at the mechanics of it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthBank Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 Big NO from me. And my Club better vote against it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrodieJ12 Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 Big No from me and hope we reject the plans as soon as possible. I see this being a big test for Burrows with him still settling into his role. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antiochas III Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 The fact under the present proposal one season the team that finishes 6th can be relegated, while the next (or the one before) the team in 5th could be promoted tells you how fucked up the whole thing is. 33 minutes ago, BrodieJ12 said: Big No from me and hope we reject the plans as soon as possible. I see this being a big test for Burrows with him still settling into his role. Can't see Aberdeen being against it as, it's likely a Club like Aberdeen for Aberdeen 'B' that have sped this up and came up with this monstrocity due to being a bit far north for the Lowland League Clubs liking. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJFCtheTeamForMe Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, lennyzer0 said: Terrible, terrible idea - and if Hearts are supporting this, then I'm embarassed by my club. They are. -------------- The whole proposal is to appease two groups. Old Firm mainly wanting their Colt Teams in the league and the teams at the lower end of the leagues scared of relegation out of league 2 after they've seen how Berwick etc have faired after going down. It's not for the good of the game but the SPFL will see it as doing what their members ask. If they could get away with it I reckon they'd happily remove the pyramid promotion playoff all together. This just makes it even more difficult for the ambitious teams from progressing. We've got some great ex junior sides that would be a great addition to our League "proper". They rightfully so need to get their own merit but there's no need to continue to add more obstacles to that. Especially nonsense colt teams. Edited May 2, 2023 by SJFCtheTeamForMe 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloPerth Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 21 minutes ago, Antiochas III said: The fact under the present proposal one season the team that finishes 6th can be relegated, while the next (or the one before) the team in 5th could be promoted tells you how fucked up the whole thing is. That’s for now. I think it’s important to keep sight of the end goal of the OF clubs and their hangers on. They want their reserves playing every week competitively against full time professionals. The level below the Premiership is the ultimate aim here. Everything they’ve done is just them moving us inch by inch towards that goal. B teams in the challenge cup > B teams in the lowland league > B teams in a new fifth tier ‘Conference League’ > B teams able to win promotion to the SPFL The scenario you describe does seem ridiculous, and that’s probably deliberate. A couple of seasons of 5th being promoted/ 6th relegated etc and everyone commenting on how absurd it is “well we know how we can sort that one out..” We’re talking about a couple of clubs that when lowland league clubs voted to say they didn’t want them in the league, they came back with a big bribe to convince them to accept. They will stop at nothing to get what they are after here. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
microdave Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 3 hours ago, GreenGray said: I hate it. But I have learned over time not to get angry with decisions made in Scottish Football as it makes no difference and in the end the wrong decision will get made made no matter what. Sad state of affairs. You should get angry. In 2012, the league wanted Rangers to be placed in the second tier and clubs voted against that because their supporters railed against it. People got angry, it made a difference and the correct decision was made. That's what needs to happen now. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dundee Hibernian Posted May 2, 2023 Author Share Posted May 2, 2023 1 hour ago, microdave said: You should get angry. In 2012, the league wanted Rangers to be placed in the second tier and clubs voted against that because their supporters railed against it. People got angry, it made a difference and the correct decision was made. That's what needs to happen now. I 'sort of' agree with you, apart from the 'correct decision being made'. To appease some of the clubs being leapfrogged for league consideration a promise of what turned out to be the Lowland League was aired. It arrived the next year, a mixture of clubs cobbled together with little consideration of merit, many of which are still populating the league and giving oxygen to another fucking terrible plan put forward by the SFA. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenGray Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 1 hour ago, microdave said: You should get angry. In 2012, the league wanted Rangers to be placed in the second tier and clubs voted against that because their supporters railed against it. People got angry, it made a difference and the correct decision was made. That's what needs to happen now. I got angry about VAR, the latest sky deal, amongst other things. Unfortunately fans are mainly an after thought in Scotland when it should be the opposite given the importance of us. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
microdave Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 2 hours ago, Dundee Hibernian said: I 'sort of' agree with you, apart from the 'correct decision being made'. To appease some of the clubs being leapfrogged for league consideration a promise of what turned out to be the Lowland League was aired. It arrived the next year, a mixture of clubs cobbled together with little consideration of merit, many of which are still populating the league and giving oxygen to another fucking terrible plan put forward by the SFA. I can remember not being happy at their admittance with no other clubs being admitted so it wasn't completely correct but I don't think we should get bogged down with that whilst being fully aware that I brought it up in the first place. I was trying to point out an instance of fan power working. 1 hour ago, GreenGray said: I got angry about VAR, the latest sky deal, amongst other things. Unfortunately fans are mainly an after thought in Scotland when it should be the opposite given the importance of us. I know that our clubs don't always listen to the fans but that doesn't mean we shouldn't keep telling them our views on how the club/game in general should be run. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 The question to be asked about this thing is why there hasn't been a single official public statement from the SFA about this proposal, while at the same time they've been telling every club in Scotland that it's a done deal, without any votes cast? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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