NorthernLights Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 If Crystal Palace sack Roy Hodgson do they replace him with Roy Hodgson? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 20 hours ago, Molotov said: Box 6 = money? Is that the measure these days? When did Man City become a big 6 club? After their takeover? The original big 4 back in the 80s were Liverpool, Everton, United and Arsenal. In the context of the formation of the Premier League the "Big" is probably best read as "box office", a measure of how much attention the club's games can command from the casual viewer which is what was going to matter for the new era I chose 6 because Spurs and Chelsea were also part of the group pressing for the formation of what became the premier league Previously attendances were the normal proxy for "bigness" but as matchday income was the the bulk of clubs' total income that still amounted to "Big = Money" And by that metric Everton were indeed firmly in the top 4 from their title winning season 85 through to the end of the 80s But Man City were pulling in top 4 crowds at the start of the 80s and even the season after getting relegated were still drawing bigger numbers than Goodison People who think football only started in 1992 tend to think that Everton have always been irrelevant and that Manchester City is a new thing. They're wrong on both counts 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 (edited) On 17/01/2024 at 10:01, Musketeer Gripweed said: I just checked Everton's transfers in 1985 and as I suspected, that was the summer they signed Gary Lineker before selling him a year later for a huge profit They sold an aging Andy Gray back to Villa that summer, I don't think I;'ve heard of any of the others who left that summer, and I certainly don't remember them going on to any great European success. So, on the back of a European ban they signed a top class striker and only won the charity shield in 1985/6. Liverpool won the double. I honestly didn't know Pat Jennings rocked up at Goodison for a season at the age of 41 though. Every day is a school day. https://www.efcstatto.com/transfers/1985-86/ Research is handy, trust me. A substantial number of Liverpool fans definitely think that Heysel played a substantial part in Everton's demise, given their willingness to display a vile "Steaua Bucuresti 1986" banner on the Kop. This is essentially a celebration of their own support's part in the murder of Juventus fans at Heysel and the subsequent ban from Europe of English clubs, with the implication that this led to the Romanian club winning the European Cup rather than Everton. Edited January 18 by craigkillie 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musketeer Gripweed Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Aye, that's why they have gone through 11 managers since Moyes left, and are probably still paying at least part of three of their salaries, and are making astute signings like Alann (who?) for £23M, Sigurddson for £45M, Tosun for £27M nearly 40 years after that. Blame the red shite. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClydeTon Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 56 minutes ago, Musketeer Gripweed said: Aye, that's why they have gone through 11 managers since Moyes left, and are probably still paying at least part of three of their salaries, and are making astute signings like Alann (who?) for £23M, Sigurddson for £45M, Tosun for £27M nearly 40 years after that. Blame the red shite. Sigurdsson was absolutely fantastic for Everton until... it... happened, tbf. Not as if they could plan for him being a wrong un. Tosun may well be one of the worst signings in modern football, behind Maupay (to Everton) and Harry Maguire (to Utd) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 2 minutes ago, ClydeTon said: Sigurdsson was absolutely fantastic for Everton until... it... happened, tbf. Not as if they could plan for him being a wrong un. Given that they give players thorough medical examinations to check for potential future problems maybe clubs need to check the hard drives of prospective signings Or just stick a poll on P&B and we'll accurately rate how likely they are to be a wrong un on a scale of 1 to Grealish 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molotov Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raidernation Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 Havertz is a donkey (and suddenly the melody of "Rhythm Is A Dancer" comes to mind...) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gianfranco Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 The Forest wall was pathetically set up for Brentford’s equaliser. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cptn Hooch Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 On 18/01/2024 at 15:31, ClydeTon said: Sigurdsson was absolutely fantastic for Everton until... it... happened, tbf. Not as if they could plan for him being a wrong un. Weren't the charges against him dropped? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RawB93 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 1 hour ago, Cptn Hooch said: Weren't the charges against him dropped? Aye but once a beast always a beast mate 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 (edited) Refreshing to see that given as a penalty. Goalkeepers usually get away with far too much. Edited January 21 by The Master 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 How is that not a penalty at the end 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raidernation Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 I see "Virgil" still has his "old-firm" "GETOUTOFJAILFREE" card. Anyone else would have been yellow carded for that assault. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 16 hours ago, Cptn Hooch said: Weren't the charges against him dropped? I didn’t think he was charged with anything. He just coincidentally disappeared. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crawford Bridge Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 Darwin Poonez. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 I'm looking forward to Guardiola doing one of those half-time Sky interviews when Man City are 5-0 up against Burnley or something, and him to start giving it the "It is so, so difficult, they are so, so good" treatment. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
senorsoupe Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 (edited) Owen Beck, recently of Dundee makes his Premier League debut Edited January 21 by senorsoupe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentGuerin Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 On 17/01/2024 at 13:20, Molotov said: Box 6 = money? Is that the measure these days? When did Man City become a big 6 club? After their takeover? The original big 4 back in the 80s were Liverpool, Everton, United and Arsenal. Going back further other teams dominated for significant periods throughout history. Villa and Forest have achieved much more in Europe top competition than teams like Spurs. Villa are the dominant midlands side. They are one of the oldest and most successful clubs in England, having won the Football League First Division seven times, the FA Cup seven times, the League Cup five times, and the European Cup and European Super Cup once. Until the financial doping of Man City they had only won the league title twice. Last FA Cup was when I was a toddler in the 60s. Modern fitba is pish. I’d sooner watch a Brian Clough Derby/Forest team, Howard Kendal Everton or Ron Saunders/Tony Barton Villa side with a squad less than 14 players any day of the week. Modern fitba is pish. On 18/01/2024 at 11:51, topcat(The most tip top) said: In the context of the formation of the Premier League the "Big" is probably best read as "box office", a measure of how much attention the club's games can command from the casual viewer which is what was going to matter for the new era I chose 6 because Spurs and Chelsea were also part of the group pressing for the formation of what became the premier league Previously attendances were the normal proxy for "bigness" but as matchday income was the the bulk of clubs' total income that still amounted to "Big = Money" And by that metric Everton were indeed firmly in the top 4 from their title winning season 85 through to the end of the 80s But Man City were pulling in top 4 crowds at the start of the 80s and even the season after getting relegated were still drawing bigger numbers than Goodison People who think football only started in 1992 tend to think that Everton have always been irrelevant and that Manchester City is a new thing. They're wrong on both counts In the context of the formation of the Premier League, it was really the Big Five as was. Man Utd, Liverpool, Spurs, Arsenal, Everton. These were the main drivers behind it, and the abortive attempt a few years earlier. People talking about trophies won by clubs considered "big" completely miss the point. The Premier League was about making money from tv. The fact that Forest and Villa had won the European Cup and Spurs haven't is neither here nor there. Same today. Nobody cares that Celtic have won the European Cup but Spurs haven't. Spurs are wanted in the CL, while Celtic aren't. "Bigness" has hee haw to do with what you've won. It's about how many people want to watch you. As for Everton, it's not unreasonable to assume they'd have won a European Cup if not for Heysel. Most English clubs at that time that won a league would win the Big Cup, so Everton, who had won the CWC, would have had a good shot at it twice. They definitely got shafted, but English fitba had had it coming for years, so they can't complain too much imo. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crow Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 On 21/01/2024 at 17:02, Crawford Bridge said: Darwin Poonez. ️️ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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