Salvo Montalbano Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 4 minutes ago, accies1874 said: Or Diogo Jota Curtis Jones... Indeed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musketeer Gripweed Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 That was the joke FFS. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eindhovendee Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 13 hours ago, Molotov said: There has been historic cases of “fair play” in North London before in the FA Cup pre VAR. The Spurs (and Liverpool) bench were aware a goal was legitimately scored. The right decision would have been to halt the game. Inform the ref. Who brings both managers and captains together and explain the situation. Big Ange and Son would I’m sure have allowed Liverpool to score a goal unopposed. This could have serious consequences for who wins the title. If Spurs win the title then it will be forever tarnished. I would love Spurs to win the league by a point from Liverpool. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 13 hours ago, Molotov said: 1. Stop the clock as per rugby 2. Clear description from ref to VAR re context of decision 3. VAR finds footage and puts it on BIG screen in stadium 4. Ref makes final decision from BIG screen in consult with VAR 5. Ref restarts game. 6. Paying customers in ground feel involved with the process. 1. Punt VAR in the bin for being utter shite. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 13 minutes ago, virginton said: 1. Punt VAR in the bin for being utter shite. If only. As far as the Barclays goes, we are infinitely more likely to see increased VAR meddling and longer interventions as part of a general doubling down. A process likely to be accelerated by the shrill grievances of Klopp and the English Branch of Victims FC 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 4 hours ago, Salvo Montalbano said: Why would the VAR, AVAR and replay operator be looking at a live picture of the stadium though? The replay operator was getting the angles and point of contact ready and the VAR and AVAR would be looking at that. The audio from the referee and assistant to the VAR room wasn't 100% clear - it should be obvious from the fact that the linesman said "delaying, delaying" that he thought it was offside, but the referee saying "give it" didn't help (although the linesman did then say "coming back for the offside mate" in fairness). But a clear process would be something like they have in rugby "on field decision is offside - can you check" is cleat and unambiguous, and the VAR replying "check complete - you can award the goal" is the same. One person seems to say "on" but it's not clear if they mean onside or time on or play on or something else. I don't see how there was any part of that process that can be described as clear. Yeah ok I take your point. I do feel it was clear enough overall and the issue was a lack of attention but there's no harm in finding ways to improve clarity I suppose. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim McLean's Ghost Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 In rugby they are pretty clear when they go to the review The ref says a definitive thing "On-field decision is Try/No-Try" and they start from there. It also helps in rugby that the screens are in the ground and the on field ref and assistants can sort of oversee what the TMO is looking at. Make sure they are looking at the right thing or point out anything that is missed. "VAR: And stop. Check complete, check complete. That’s fine, perfect." At no point does the VAR say what the actual decision is. In this instance it seems like the VAR room was so quick to review the decision they missed the info that there was an offside given on the field. A situation that would easily be avoided if they had clear guidance on how to communicate decisions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derry Alli Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 14 hours ago, Molotov said: 6. Paying customers in ground feel involved with the process. Agree with everything bar this. Why do people feel the need to be involved? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Have some faith in Magic Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 So they have two referees as VAR and have to employ a guy who can 'work the computer'? Three on field officials and one 4th official. 10 employees for one game. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molotov Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 14 minutes ago, Derry Alli said: Agree with everything bar this. Why do people feel the need to be involved? Agreed the word “involved” was badly written. It would be better to hear the dialogue regarding the officials decision like they do in rugby. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernLights Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 Klopp saying replaying the game is the "would be the right thing" https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67003386 Sounds like an awful idea as you'd be opening Pandora's Box and any club that were on the wrong end of an incorrect decision could start demanding the same. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 Klopp is a bellend. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buchan30 Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 (edited) Klopp can say what he wants, he knows it won’t happen, but it keeps the fans onside, rather than them blaming the players/him for the defeat. Postocoglu will probably disagree and we will just go round in circles. Talking about him saying that on Hawbsee and Jacobs and they are basically saying, do you restart the match and still send the Liverpool players off at the same times. Do we replay the arsenal/bournemouth game where they forgot to draw the lines? The man u/wolves game with the Onana incident? Where does it end? The best anyone can hope for here is that they change the language used to communicate with the ref to say what their decision is once the check has been complete. Edited October 4, 2023 by buchan30 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 18 minutes ago, NorthernLights said: Klopp saying replaying the game is the "would be the right thing" https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67003386 Sounds like an awful idea as you'd be opening Pandora's Box and any club that were on the wrong end of an incorrect decision could start demanding the same. One of those rare occasions where yer da' giving it "game's gone" would be 100% correct. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherrif John Bunnell Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 Replaying the game is an incredibly stupid suggestion, but Klopp knows that by saying that, refs will be terrified of giving anything against Liverpool in the next few games. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneteaminglasgow Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 Even as “talking shite to get the fans onside” goes, he’s lost the run of himself here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DrewDon Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 Sky News has just confirmed that Rishi Sunak is considering a formal intervention to force a replay and the VAR officials are likely to be charged over the next 48 hours. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thistle_do_nicely Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 (edited) fully agree with the earlier ideas of them agreeing on some kind of clear, industry standard terminology (was brought in for aviation after the Tenerife air disaster iirc) but even at that, if they've already stopped/delayed the game... why not have some kind of emergency override/protocol for errors where there's a breakdown of communication? so the game is stopped again and brought back. guessing its a strict rule that once the game restarts after a check is deemed complete it's done, but it would've taken a few extra seconds at most, no? Edited October 4, 2023 by Thistle_do_nicely 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Ferguson's Hat Posted October 4, 2023 Share Posted October 4, 2023 Can't believe the talk of arrests earlier in the thread. Surely it's gone too far if that's the case. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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