Edward Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 The recent embarrassment of Rangers, Hibs, Aberdeen and even Celtic. yes Celtic are in the Group stages but they end up being thrashed. The Irish Republic realised that they could not compete with the English Premier League in terms of TV. So they moved their league to summer not only for better pitches but many people watch. They also gained more sponsorships through the media Scotland now needs to do the same. You are never going to compete with England. The second reform Scotland has to do is move to a 16 or even 18 club league. An example the top 8 play for Europe and champions while the bottom 8 play against each other for with four relegation spots. Relegation from the Championship exists but only if the winners of the Regional Leagues meet the requirements. -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richey Edwards Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 Good luck cramming a full season of fixtures into two weeks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crawford Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 1 minute ago, Richey Edwards said: Good luck cramming a full season of fixtures into two weeks. Instead of the pre winter shutdown cram, cram them into summer. Start the season earlier, more viewership (less competition), more funds and more competitive players come tournaments. It's all pretty good on paper. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward Posted September 1, 2023 Author Share Posted September 1, 2023 Just now, Crawford said: Instead of the pre winter shutdown cram, cram them into summer. Start the season earlier, more viewership (less competition), more funds and more competitive players come tournaments. It's all pretty good on paper. Exactly finish the season in December but start in June with an August Break. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 In what way is Hibs losing to Aston Villa an "embarrassment"? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 Have you seen the "summer" this year? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward Posted September 1, 2023 Author Share Posted September 1, 2023 1 minute ago, Melanius Mullarkay said: Have you seen the "summer" this year? Strange the Irish Republic does not have problems with playing in the summer 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 Just now, Edward said: Strange the Irish Republic does not have problems with playing in the summer So what? Are there teams now suddenly gracing the group stages of European football? Let me check... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 Scottish teams regularly compete in Europe after Christmas, 3 out of 5 teams are currently through to the group stages. Hibs got one of the worst draws possible and Hearts never embarrassed themselves either. We fell to bits on Wednesday tbf but I'm hoping that we can get a decent run of games going. Try talking our game up rather than being negative about it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Paddy Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 8 minutes ago, Edward said: Strange the Irish Republic does not have problems with playing in the summer ROI league is alligned as it is because "soccer" is the 4th sport here, and they try not to clash with gaa. Game night was moved to Friday night to avoid the clash with EPL. Are you suggesting scottish football moves to a Friday? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crawford Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 19 minutes ago, Melanius Mullarkay said: So what? Are there teams now suddenly gracing the group stages of European football? Let me check... If you take the "instant success" out of the equation, having a product for market at a time where there isn't as much competition makes Scottish football much more attractive for investors and the media money men. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 I'm.quite happy with the schedule as is (except the war crime of championship final day on a Friday night) But if there was found to be general feeling there was a disadvantage to our sides in the qualifiers through not being up to speed due to lack of competitive games, you simply get rid of the league cup group stage and start the league season in mid July. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realmadrid Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Edward said: The recent embarrassment of Rangers, Hibs, Aberdeen and even Celtic. yes Celtic are in the Group stages but they end up being thrashed. The Irish Republic realised that they could not compete with the English Premier League in terms of TV. So they moved their league to summer not only for better pitches but many people watch. They also gained more sponsorships through the media Scotland now needs to do the same. You are never going to compete with England. The second reform Scotland has to do is move to a 16 or even 18 club league. An example the top 8 play for Europe and champions while the bottom 8 play against each other for with four relegation spots. Relegation from the Championship exists but only if the winners of the Regional Leagues meet the requirements. What an utterly bizarre post which is not joined up in any way Why would moving the league to a "Summer" league make any difference to this, you state the Republic of Ireland as an example, that will be the Republic of Ireland who had 0 teams playing in the play off round and lost 8 of the 16 games their sides played in Europe this season and who sit 40th out of 54 for this season and will drop further as there are nations with less points who have up to 3 teams in the group stages. Sky will not suddenly pay 3 or 4 times as much as for 2 months there is no other football to show and every 2nd year that time period would be cut to 1 month due to the world cup or the Euros A 16 or 18 team top league would make things worse, smaller visiting supports and less top head to head games . There is a reason most smaller nations have leagues our size. The old firm are never going to agree to any end of season play offs and 4 relegated out of the bottom 8 is never going to be voted in and that's before you work out how many games you want the teams to play to get to this. There are 54 current active members of UEFA playing for 96 places in the group stage, in the days before the Champions league there would have been 128 teams still in Europe at this stage and no nation would have had up to 8 entrants as it stands this season. In context there is less than 2 places per league in the group stages and with direct entry given to so many from the top leagues everyone else is playing to get through the eye of a needle. 35% of the nations are already all out and a further 25% are down to their last team. Only 5 leagues have all their entrants in the groups so those who expect every team to make the groups are living on another planet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DannyBlue Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Edward said: So they moved their league to summer not only for better pitches but many people watch. And yet the broadcaster was dropping matches due to low viewing figures https://www.balls.ie/football/rte-on-lack-of-league-of-ireland-coverage-485451 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 2 hours ago, Edward said: Relegation from the Championship exists but only if the winners of the Regional Leagues meet the requirements What is this utter fucking shite?! No one wants regionalisation under the Championship, or indeed anywhere above where it currently is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennie makevin Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Edward said: Strange the Irish Republic does not have problems with playing in the summer I refuse to take seriously as a role model any country that calls football 'soccer'. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 So successful has Eire's move been that in 22yrs since the switch, there are just 5 seasons with an average notably above the last couple before switching, and indeed 8 seasons notably below... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 7 hours ago, Edward said: The recent embarrassment of Rangers, Hibs, Aberdeen and even Celtic. yes Celtic are in the Group stages but they end up being thrashed. The Irish Republic realised that they could not compete with the English Premier League in terms of TV. So they moved their league to summer not only for better pitches but many people watch. They also gained more sponsorships through the media Scotland now needs to do the same. You are never going to compete with England. The second reform Scotland has to do is move to a 16 or even 18 club league. An example the top 8 play for Europe and champions while the bottom 8 play against each other for with four relegation spots. Relegation from the Championship exists but only if the winners of the Regional Leagues meet the requirements. Utter bollocks. Piss away off with you ill thought out nonsense. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 Every. Single. August. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marten Posted September 1, 2023 Share Posted September 1, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, Edward said: The recent embarrassment of Rangers, Hibs, Aberdeen and even Celtic. yes Celtic are in the Group stages but they end up being thrashed. The Irish Republic realised that they could not compete with the English Premier League in terms of TV. So they moved their league to summer not only for better pitches but many people watch. They also gained more sponsorships through the media Scotland now needs to do the same. You are never going to compete with England. The second reform Scotland has to do is move to a 16 or even 18 club league. An example the top 8 play for Europe and champions while the bottom 8 play against each other for with four relegation spots. Relegation from the Championship exists but only if the winners of the Regional Leagues meet the requirements. The recent embarrassment of ... Celtic??? Yes, I know you immediately put a caveat down that you expect them to be thrashed. I'm usually not one to defend either half of the OF, but you can hardly slate them for their European performances this season when they haven't played a single game yet. And for that matter, summer football wouldn't change a thing for them as by the time they start in the CL, they are far enough in the domestic season anyway for that not to be an excuse. So far the only clubs that lost a 2 legged tie against a team ranked lower than them were Aberdeen & Rangers, with the latter coming up against a really strong PSV side so other than the scoreline I wouldn't say getting knocked out by them is an embarrassment either. On the other hand, Hearts & Hibs were both unseeded in ECL QR3 and won their ties with good performances. Both simply faced a stronger team in the PO, with Hibs drawing arguably the strongest side in that entire competition so I wouldn't call it an embarrassment from them either, not even with that scoreline. I'm not against discussions about league restructuring or even summer football, but these are rubbish "arguments". Edited September 1, 2023 by Marten 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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