WattersIsGod Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 it is far from impossible to keep a grass pitch in decent condition all season even with financial challenges. ours is getting played on both by ourselves and Stirling Uni and is still looking great. if we can manage it at our level then it's surely not beyond the realms of possibility to expect that clubs with far greater resources could do it. i think top level football should be played on grass. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidReid01 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 A very interesting thread. Enjoyed reading through it and some very valid points being made. For me, there is clear benefits to clubs with having Astro pitches. • Reduced maintenance • Increased income • Reduced Expenditure • Consistent playing surface I look at Saints for example, we could install an artificial pitch, instantly reduce our expenditure of maintaining the main pitch, and training areas. We could also then potentially sell off 5 acres ish of land, estimated to be worth around £5 million. The reason the top flight games on Astro are shite, is predominantly due to the games played there and the factors of the teams involved. I’ve been to plenty games this season in the lower leagues on Astro and watched good matches. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molotov Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 9 minutes ago, DavidReid01 said: I’ve been to plenty games this season in the lower leagues. With a bit of luck you might be watching more next season! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GroundHoppingBear Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 On 09/03/2024 at 20:00, Scooby_Doo said: See by no-one, do you mean everyone? Here are Kilmarnock's league placings since installing the 'magic' carpet in 2014: 14/15 10th 15/16 11th 16/17 8th 17/18 5th 18/19 3rd 19/20 8th 20/21 11th (Relegated via the play off) 21/22 1st Championship 22/23 10th Admittedly, in the seasons we finished 5th and 3rd we did have the massively unfair advantage of having a fucking great manager. If you take those outliers out, it has been of no advantage at all. If Killie and Livi played on grass pitches there is no way they would have stayed up as long as possible. The ball doesn't roll naturally, making games a lot more of a lottery. Celtics terrible record at Livi certainly wasn't to do with Livingstons excellent technical and tactical ability. -11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby_Doo Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 The ball doesn't roll naturally at Celtic Park either so they should be used to it. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KTID26 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 40 minutes ago, GroundHoppingBear said: If Killie and Livi played on grass pitches there is no way they would have stayed up as long as possible. The ball doesn't roll naturally, making games a lot more of a lottery. Celtics terrible record at Livi certainly wasn't to do with Livingstons excellent technical and tactical ability. What a piece of unsubstansiated nonsense. You would be aswell say that if Septic and the Rankers did not hoover up most of the money in our league they would be in League 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoose Rice Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 If teams are forced to scrap plastic pitches if they get promoted then they should be compensated if relegated again to reinstall the pitch. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GroundHoppingBear Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 8 minutes ago, KTID26 said: What a piece of unsubstansiated nonsense. You would be aswell say that if Septic and the Rankers did not hoover up most of the money in our league they would be in League 1 A grown man saying Rankers and Septic. Wow. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby_Doo Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Just now, GroundHoppingBear said: A grown man saying Rankers and Septic. Wow. Another unsubstantiated assumption. How do you know he's a grown man? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KTID26 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 1 minute ago, GroundHoppingBear said: A grown man saying Rankers and Septic. Wow. When dealing with a childish attitude it easier to respond in language childlike people understand. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoose Rice Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 8 minutes ago, GroundHoppingBear said: A grown man saying Rankers and Septic. Wow. You are not allowed to post what we really think of you bunch of mutants tbf. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Duck Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Can someone make a proper case for grass pitches in Scotland? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squalor Vic Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 1 hour ago, GroundHoppingBear said: If Killie and Livi played on grass pitches there is no way they would have stayed up as long as possible. The ball doesn't roll naturally, making games a lot more of a lottery. Celtics terrible record at Livi certainly wasn't to do with Livingstons excellent technical and tactical ability. We got relegated with a plastic pitch so kinda messes up that argument. Our home record on plastic was fuckin woeful as well under the dark years of Alan Johnston/Gary Locke. There's a helluva lot of pish being written in this thread, that is drowning out some good points. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squalor Vic Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 2 minutes ago, Disco Duck said: Can someone make a proper case for grass pitches in Scotland? It looks better on the telly 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Duck Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Just now, Squalor Vic said: It looks better on the telly That does seem to be it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sortmeout Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 21 minutes ago, KTID26 said: When dealing with a childish attitude it easier to respond in language childlike people understand. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 9 minutes ago, Disco Duck said: Can someone make a proper case for grass pitches in Scotland? Like a big cold frame ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lubo_blaha Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 On 10/03/2024 at 12:38, Kyle Reese said: I am still for getting rid of them. I think an elite level league should have certain things that are not compromised on. Full participation in a reserve league. A youth system. Grass pitches. Undersoil hearing and good drainage. Grass pitch. If that impacts the amount to be spent on first team players then so be it. I do not really get how some clubs can argue that their artificial surface is good for youth development and argue against a bigger league and reserve league, when both of those latter things would improve youth development. Livingston and Kilmarnock are two of the four Premiership sides who bother to participate in the reserve league. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIVIFOREVER Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 13 minutes ago, Squalor Vic said: We got relegated with a plastic pitch so kinda messes up that argument. Our home record on plastic was fuckin woeful as well under the dark years of Alan Johnston/Gary Locke. There's a helluva lot of pish being written in this thread, that is drowning out some good points. Yeah and we got promoted on a grass pitch, which was absolutely horrendous, cutting up with divots lying all over the place. But hey it was still a grass pitch so the ball rolled perfectly on it and every bounce was fabulously consistent*. *not really but that's the brain dead pish that gets spouted by imbeciles arguing against plastic pitches v grass pitches. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIVIFOREVER Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 1 hour ago, GroundHoppingBear said: If Killie and Livi played on grass pitches there is no way they would have stayed up as long as possible. The ball doesn't roll naturally, making games a lot more of a lottery. Celtics terrible record at Livi certainly wasn't to do with Livingstons excellent technical and tactical ability. We drew 1-1 and beat your mob 1-0 playing on our grass pitch in the Championship, what's your excuse for not being able to beat us at Livi playing on grass? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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