Ewanandmoreagain Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 21 hours ago, johnnydun said: Bollocks. The boy miss timed a challenge. Got the ball cleanly with his right but followed through with his left, unintentionally catching Gundogan. It happens. When you are desperately diving in to stop a certain goal, you give up a bit of control to throw yourself at such pace. If he hadn't accidentally caught him with his other leg, we would have praised him for a superb challenge. Lay off ffs. The team was all over the place Could not retain possession ( , why ? ? , ) so it was constantly " defending " and the Germans were really going for it 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allroy for Prez Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 The type of tackle Porteous committed at Hibs pre-VAR all the time. Developed a reputation amongst other players and managers with good reason. It was an absolute cowards tackle from a scared wee boy miles out his depth, designed to hurt, and he deserves all the criticism coming his way. He’s also not very good at football. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2426255 Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 6 minutes ago, Allroy for Prez said: The type of tackle Porteous committed at Hibs pre-VAR all the time. Developed a reputation amongst other players and managers with good reason. It was an absolute cowards tackle from a scared wee boy miles out his depth, designed to hurt, and he deserves all the criticism coming his way. He’s also not very good at football. He wasn't all bad to be fair. He's just a bit inconsistent which is no different to Hanley, Hendry or Ralston and the like. That's why they play at an average teams. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allroy for Prez Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 1 minute ago, 2426255 said: He wasn't all bad to be fair. He's just a bit inconsistent which is no different to Hanley, Hendry or Ralston and the like. That's why they play at an average teams. I don’t rate Hanley, Hendry or Ralston either! Are these honestly the best options we have in this areas? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2426255 Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Allroy for Prez said: I don’t rate Hanley, Hendry or Ralston either! Are these honestly the best options we have in this areas? There is no one who is available that will make those positions in our team significantly better. Same with the goalkeeper. It's just a fact that we have weak areas in our team and with that comes a higher volume of errors. It's just the way it is. It's harsh to criticise the weakest aspects of our team. More than that, our opponents will direct more attacks their way which will make them look even worse. It's a tough one. There's not always a perfect solution, sometimes it's just the best of a few bad solutions. You can put Ross McCrorie in and he might have a tremendous game and everyone says: 'He's the boy, He's the answer there'. Then 6 months later you are building a picture of his consistency and seeing he can't maintain those levels. That exact scenario has played out with Porteous. Edited June 16 by 2426255 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 4 minutes ago, Allroy for Prez said: I don’t rate Hanley, Hendry or Ralston either! Are these honestly the best options we have in this areas? Who else is there? Same all over the pitch. Which qualifying players haven't been included in the squad? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2426255 Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 Another decent moment from Porteous. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glen Sannox Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 If Porteous had any Old Firm connections, there would be no witch hunt from the Scottish media. They should hang their heads in shame, not Porteous. A young lad playing in the opening game of a major tournament with adrenaline pumping and a shambles all around him, makes a rash challenge! Big deal! Scotland are utter pony and would have got pumped regardless of his actions. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Central Belt Caley Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 Si Ferry doesn’t even think it was a foul so everyone should get off Porteous’ case 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocketman Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 10 minutes ago, Glen Sannox said: If Porteous had any Old Firm connections, there would be no witch hunt from the Scottish media. They should hang their heads in shame, not Porteous. A young lad playing in the opening game of a major tournament with adrenaline pumping and a shambles all around him, makes a rash challenge! Big deal! Scotland are utter pony and would have got pumped regardless of his actions. I haven't seen any red top reaction as I pretty much pick up news via social media but haven't noted much in the way of a witch hunt from any links I have seen. If Porteous did have OF connections I would guess that would only magnify any spotlight on him not the other way round. The tackle was a shocker and you would consider that he still could have cleared it without the two footed follow through. And Porteous is now 25 years old, played in plenty of high profile Scotland games so grasping at straws about him being a young lad over-awed by the big occasion argument. Just accept the wild tackle for what it was and the red card being apt - that applies to those clucking like old hens at it as well as those trying to apply context and/or seeking justifying it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2426255 Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 I have to say what appears to have escaped attention is the fact that Porteous is the first player to be red carded in Steve Clarke's tenure. That's impressive from a discipline standpoint. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewanandmoreagain Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 8 hours ago, 2426255 said: He wasn't all bad to be fair. He's just a bit inconsistent which is no different to Hanley, Hendry or Ralston and the like. That's why they play at an average teams. True 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewanandmoreagain Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 3 hours ago, 2426255 said: Another decent moment from Porteous. Again true ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewanandmoreagain Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 8 hours ago, Sergeant Wilson said: Who else is there? Same all over the pitch. Which qualifying players haven't been included in the squad? Fit qualifying player. Souttar ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewanandmoreagain Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 8 hours ago, Allroy for Prez said: I don’t rate Hanley, Hendry or Ralston either! Are these honestly the best options we have in this areas? Obviously not in the case of Ralston ! But central defence is a problem Obviously SC wanted a fit Hanley If he is not fit for Wednesday it will probably be McKenna. At least he has game time 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 4 minutes ago, Ewanandmoreagain said: Fit qualifying player. Souttar ? Maybe, but I don't think there's many that could be brought in to replace what's there. Although I think almost any goalkeeper would be better than Gunn. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glen Sannox Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 47 minutes ago, Pocketman said: I haven't seen any red top reaction as I pretty much pick up news via social media but haven't noted much in the way of a witch hunt from any links I have seen. If Porteous did have OF connections I would guess that would only magnify any spotlight on him not the other way round. The tackle was a shocker and you would consider that he still could have cleared it without the two footed follow through. And Porteous is now 25 years old, played in plenty of high profile Scotland games so grasping at straws about him being a young lad over-awed by the big occasion argument. Just accept the wild tackle for what it was and the red card being apt - that applies to those clucking like old hens at it as well as those trying to apply context and/or seeking justifying it. It was more the Radio Scotland response. Willie Miller, Neil McCann and Leanne Chrighton (whoever she is). I never disputed it was a poor challenge, but the Radio Scotland outrage just reminds me of when they hung out to dry, the foreign Hearts player who dived against Scotland. They would not have the nerve to challenge a player with OF connections. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fratelli Posted June 16 Share Posted June 16 6 hours ago, Glen Sannox said: If Porteous had any Old Firm connections, there would be no witch hunt from the Scottish media. They should hang their heads in shame, not Porteous. A young lad playing in the opening game of a major tournament with adrenaline pumping and a shambles all around him, makes a rash challenge! Big deal! Scotland are utter pony and would have got pumped regardless of his actions. He’s 25 and made his professional debut 8 years ago. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2426255 Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 The last good moment I could find from Porteous. He tracks a player into midfield: balances the numbers and with the help of Adams, Scotland turn the ball over. He was decent off the ball up until the red card incident. Where he disappointed (apart from the red card incident) was his play on the ball. I'll probably put some clips of that up tomorrow. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galajambo Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 Absolute bombscare and a complete liability, he should never don the dark blue again! Made a career out of trying to break peoples legs. -6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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