BFTD Posted Tuesday at 16:29 Share Posted Tuesday at 16:29 3 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Big Fiend Telling Dave? We're both members of Dave Club. We have rules for a reason. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted Tuesday at 16:45 Share Posted Tuesday at 16:45 9 hours ago, 101 said: I suspect this will eventually be tested by some nut in the courts but I suspect anywhere that let’s you have a debt against them cannot legally refuse cash. It is fundamental in society to have a means a payment open to all to buy and sell goods and settle debts. They aren't refusing you settling your debt using legal tender (in Scotland, incidentally, the term "legal tender" is limited to coins and banknotes no greater in value than £1), they are not allowing you to generate that debt in the first place by refusing the sale. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNU_Linux Posted Tuesday at 17:40 Share Posted Tuesday at 17:40 Ditching the 50 pound note was woke nonsense 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted Tuesday at 18:47 Share Posted Tuesday at 18:47 2 hours ago, Todd_is_God said: They aren't refusing you settling your debt using legal tender (in Scotland, incidentally, the term "legal tender" is limited to coins and banknotes no greater in value than £1), they are not allowing you to generate that debt in the first place by refusing the sale. I dunno a restaurant that doesn’t make it clear its card only is probably a debt. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted Tuesday at 19:29 Share Posted Tuesday at 19:29 36 minutes ago, 101 said: I dunno a restaurant that doesn’t make it clear its card only is probably a debt. I think the legal definition of debt in the UK is reserved for money you have borrowed but not yet paid back, rather than simply unpaid goods and services. However, to your point, I don't think I've ever been in a shop or restaurant in the UK that has not made it very obvious they are cash only, or allowed the scenario you describe to occur. Businesses which don't take cards, in my personal experience, usually ask for the cash up front. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted Tuesday at 20:22 Share Posted Tuesday at 20:22 52 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: I think the legal definition of debt in the UK is reserved for money you have borrowed but not yet paid back, rather than simply unpaid goods and services. However, to your point, I don't think I've ever been in a shop or restaurant in the UK that has not made it very obvious they are cash only, or allowed the scenario you describe to occur. Businesses which don't take cards, in my personal experience, usually ask for the cash up front. I know my barber is cash only, but there is absolutely nothing anywhere in the shop telling you this 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Wilkos Posted Tuesday at 21:27 Share Posted Tuesday at 21:27 3 hours ago, GNU_Linux said: Ditching the 50 pound note was woke nonsense Ironically, Linux is comfortably the wokest OS. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted Tuesday at 22:03 Share Posted Tuesday at 22:03 1 hour ago, Bairnardo said: I know my barber is cash only, but there is absolutely nothing anywhere in the shop telling you this Yeah, I was trying to think of all the cash businesses that I know, and I don't think any of them have anything to indicate they don't take cards. They don't even seem to warn people verbally. Bit odd, as when I've been working at cash-only shops I'll always mention that before I start ringing anything up, as it's a pain in the hole to cancel the transaction. I do know a couple of places with minimum card purchase notices on the till, though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotiaNostra Posted Wednesday at 04:16 Share Posted Wednesday at 04:16 (edited) 12 hours ago, welshbairn said: We'll be trading neeps for onions. wouldnt go that far but the inconveince of not being able to pay anything for a couple of days for anyone without cash will be enough to keep cash about as part of the currency mix Edited Wednesday at 04:17 by ScotiaNostra 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted Wednesday at 08:22 Share Posted Wednesday at 08:22 When I lived in Denmark, many shops would stop talking cash after a certain hour. The explanation being that cash put staff at risk from armed robbers. Not sure if that's still the case, but it does remind me of the fact that the "Denmark is the most wonderful place in the world" nonsense going around back then was wilfully ignoring a lot of unsavoury aspects of their society. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted Wednesday at 09:21 Share Posted Wednesday at 09:21 40 minutes ago, DiegoDiego said: When I lived in Denmark, many shops would stop talking cash after a certain hour. The explanation being that cash put staff at risk from armed robbers. Not sure if that's still the case, but it does remind me of the fact that the "Denmark is the most wonderful place in the world" nonsense going around back then was wilfully ignoring a lot of unsavoury aspects of their society. If you ever watch old documentaries about crime from the 1970s and 80s it's amazing how wide the opportunities for armed robbery was. Lots of people used to be paid in cash so any large office or factory would need to have large quantities of cash on every payday to fill the wage packets. This obviously attracted criminals who would try to steal it. there was an armed robbery of the Daily Express payroll in 1976 that netted £175,000, which is equivelent to £1.5m today. Another similar robbery of the Daily Mirror payroll in 1978 saw a security guard murdered and £200,000 stolen. Smaller robberies must also have been really common. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WullieBroonIsGod Posted Wednesday at 10:17 Share Posted Wednesday at 10:17 22 hours ago, invergowrie arab said: Pi numbers would be confusing 3.14? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Khaki Posted Wednesday at 11:03 Share Posted Wednesday at 11:03 19 hours ago, ScotiaNostra said: within 10 years the technology will have fecked up enough that everyone will be back to carrying some money at least with them I always laugh at pro-cash advocates bringing up the "tech can go wrong" point and remind them of the countless times I was left wandering around with no cash... because the ATM system had collapsed. Unless you are suggesting a return to the days where your employer trailed into a bank, withdrew a load of cash over the counter, and then handed you a physical paypacket at the end of the week, then the "tech" angle doesn't really wash because it f**ks up cash use just as much as it does card/phone. How are cashiers supposed to accept cash as payment if the POS is down, they can't register the sale, and can't even open the till? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florentine_Pogen Posted Wednesday at 11:08 Share Posted Wednesday at 11:08 4 minutes ago, Boo Khaki said: How are cashiers supposed to accept cash as payment if the POS is down, they can't register the sale, and can't even open the till? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted Wednesday at 11:33 Share Posted Wednesday at 11:33 2 hours ago, ICTChris said: you ever watch old documentaries about crime from the 1970s and 80s it's amazing how wide the opportunities for armed robbery was It meant I've had to reconsider my "one big job" strategy. Small time fraud and theft from pensioners is easy but tedious. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted Wednesday at 11:38 Share Posted Wednesday at 11:38 2 hours ago, ICTChris said: If you ever watch old documentaries about crime from the 1970s and 80s it's amazing how wide the opportunities for armed robbery was. Lots of people used to be paid in cash so any large office or factory would need to have large quantities of cash on every payday to fill the wage packets. This obviously attracted criminals who would try to steal it. there was an armed robbery of the Daily Express payroll in 1976 that netted £175,000, which is equivelent to £1.5m today. Another similar robbery of the Daily Mirror payroll in 1978 saw a security guard murdered and £200,000 stolen. Smaller robberies must also have been really common. Most of the big robberies in cowboy films were payroll heists, it's a tradition that's sadly being lost in this soulless plastic world. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted Wednesday at 11:43 Share Posted Wednesday at 11:43 38 minutes ago, Boo Khaki said: I always laugh at pro-cash advocates bringing up the "tech can go wrong" point and remind them of the countless times I was left wandering around with no cash... because the ATM system had collapsed. Unless you are suggesting a return to the days where your employer trailed into a bank, withdrew a load of cash over the counter, and then handed you a physical paypacket at the end of the week, then the "tech" angle doesn't really wash because it f**ks up cash use just as much as it does card/phone. How are cashiers supposed to accept cash as payment if the POS is down, they can't register the sale, and can't even open the till? Have you ever went into a shop, took your basket up to the till, waited until the cashier has rung everything up, then offered them 6p in the pound? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btb Posted Wednesday at 11:54 Share Posted Wednesday at 11:54 2 hours ago, ICTChris said: If you ever watch old documentaries about crime from the 1970s and 80s it's amazing how wide the opportunities for armed robbery was. Lots of people used to be paid in cash so any large office or factory would need to have large quantities of cash on every payday to fill the wage packets. This obviously attracted criminals who would try to steal it. there was an armed robbery of the Daily Express payroll in 1976 that netted £175,000, which is equivelent to £1.5m today. Another similar robbery of the Daily Mirror payroll in 1978 saw a security guard murdered and £200,000 stolen. Smaller robberies must also have been really common. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIVIFOREVER Posted Wednesday at 11:59 Share Posted Wednesday at 11:59 I liked having a bank book and seeing my money put in, and taken out, knowing exactly what i had in my account, gradually i gave in and switched to having an account that used a card. And now i hardly ever pay with cash, probably only a matter of time till money is done away with and you get paid in credits, like futuristic sci-fi films. I take a few pound coins for the charity bins at the football though, feel rotten walking past them, they're usually all local ones too, which is good. However i nipped into Morrisons after the game to get a couple of things on my way home, and there was someone collecting for a charity at the entrance, i said i didn't have any money on me, just had my card, or i'd give something, and she whipped out a card reader, caught me dead to rights with that one and i could hardly say no. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted Wednesday at 12:27 Share Posted Wednesday at 12:27 27 minutes ago, LIVIFOREVER said: I liked having a bank book and seeing my money put in, and taken out, knowing exactly what i had in my account, gradually i gave in and switched to having an account that used a card. And now i hardly ever pay with cash, probably only a matter of time till money is done away with and you get paid in credits, like futuristic sci-fi films. I take a few pound coins for the charity bins at the football though, feel rotten walking past them, they're usually all local ones too, which is good. However i nipped into Morrisons after the game to get a couple of things on my way home, and there was someone collecting for a charity at the entrance, i said i didn't have any money on me, just had my card, or i'd give something, and she whipped out a card reader, caught me dead to rights with that one and i could hardly say no. You should have said ‘f**k off you chugger’. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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