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Unsure if this is somehow only happening to me or if having one all encompassing thread for each club running to thousands of pages over several years is starting to break things. It's happened a few times lately that I've been on the penultimate page of a thread, read through it, gone to the final page and every post is the exact same as the previous page.
Example below taken from the Raith thread this morning, with the same post starting each page.
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Is he seriously trying to argue that it would have been a more professional look for the league to simply not play games which could change the title winner and declare the season over without them being played for reasons? Desperate.
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15 hours ago, ICTChris said:
Anyway, Ash Regan's list of demands should be a hoot.
The SNP to refuse to stand a candidate in two constituencies in 2026, said constituencies to be chosen by Alex Salmond and Ash Regan, and the thermometer.
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Looking at Buckie's statement it seems their argument is that they didn't need to ask for the grace period before 31 March for being promoted without having a bronze licence, because they were going to have their bronze licence sorted and still will have it ready for next season, having had a judgement deferred to 15 May for the one item they're failing on currently?
Stupid of them not to just ask for the grace period before 31 March anyway when the rules are very clear that you need to have the licence sorted or grace period granted before the playoff. However the SPFL Rules do also say that the SPFL board has the absolute right to grant grace periods at their discretion even if the rules haven't been complied with, so they theoretically could have just intervened here and said aye, go ahead with the playoff provided you'll have it sorted by 15 May as promised.
Of course they're not required to do that and Buckie should have done things properly in the first place, but East Kilbride need to be stopped.
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9 minutes ago, Ginaro said:
That's not true. The rules before this season was tiers 1&2 required a Bronze ground with Silver floodlights, and tiers 3&4 required a Entry ground with Bronze floodlights. There was no requirement for anything above Entry level for anything else.
See rule D4 in the 2022-23 rules https://web.archive.org/web/20230518043723/https://spfl.co.uk/admin/filemanager/images/shares/pdfs/SPFL Rules and Regulations 14-Oct-22 (MASTER COPY) CLEAN.pdf
Thank you, I'd misremembered that. So Airdrie were always Championship compliant then, and presumably have either a grace period or already everything in place to move to bronze with whatever else is holding them back. Cove's ground is now at bronze level, but was definitely at entry level last season so the question still stands with them.
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12 minutes ago, virginton said:
Nice try at repackaging your party statement from earlier in the day, but requiring one vote to survive a single confidence vote is really not a worse position to be in than having Lorna fucking Slater stinking out your Cabinet all the way until the next election because of Nicola's dodgy deal. Or having an EGM of a handful of fruit-loops decide whether your government retains its majority or not.
Yousaf was mistaken to stand up for the BHA earlier in the week but gunging the Greens first was a competent response to events, which suggests that an adult was also present in the room last night.
Not my party, I left it about 7 or 8 years ago.
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1 hour ago, ICTChris said:
I was thinking that - everyone assumes that all SNP MSPs will vote one way but will they? Matheson's punishement is due to be decided next week - I have no idea if he could be suspended from Parliament for a period of time. That could tip the balance.
I think you might be right, Yousaf might resign.
Needing favours from Alba really makes him a lame duck even if he survives the vote.
Abandoning a deal he'd been defending 48 hours earlier in order to avoid the risk the other party would be the ones to ditch it, so ostensibly making him look strong and decisive rather than weakly allowing his majority to disappear without being in control of the situation, but clearly being reactive rather than doing it because he believes it's the right thing to do.
So he gets rid of the smaller party who a sizeable enough number of his backbenchers to be a problem view as an extreme tail wagging the dog to allow himself a reset, only to then find himself completely dependent on giving favours to one MSP to avoid a vote of no confidence. Said MSP defected from his party after he won the leadership, a defection he described as "no great loss", and went to a party who have literally never won a seat in any level of election in Scotland. He's tried to play 4D chess and landed himself in an even worse situation.
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30 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said:
Aye, but they're in the SPFL, bronze level is now required to gain entry to the SPFL.
There is a point to be made there, aside from whatever incompetence Buckie have been guilty of in not getting the licence sorted or failing that applying for a grace period.
The previous cut off level where a bronze licence was required before it was extended to the whole SPFL was the Championship. Cove were in it last season with an entry licence and Airdrie are in it now with an entry licence. Did these clubs apply for a grace period to achieve their bronze licence prior to 31 March in the seasons they won promotion, or were they just granted it without asking? If it's the latter I think it's reasonable to point out the double standard here, regardless of a) that not being an excuse for Buckie and b) everyone who is entry level needing to have applied for a grace period by 31 March 2024 if they want to remain in the SPFL in 2024/25.
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Buckie have been a refused a bronze licence and won't be allowed in the playoff:
https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/news/scottish-fa-statement-pyramid-play-off-tie/?rid=13929
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7 hours ago, Dunning1874 said:
Question is if it makes Yousaf look weaker or stronger in reality.
Well, it hasn't taken long for this to be answered.
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17 minutes ago, craigkillie said:
Would the Scottish Parliament rules not mean that if we had an election now there would still be another in 2026?Yes, so if Labour get themselves an election now and become the largest party then form a minority government, they could end up having a worse time of it in 2026 than they would by biding their time in opposition, and end up not being the largest party again after less than two years in power.
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Sarwar openly saying "we need an election" rather than simply saying Yousaf needs to go, which if he's being serious rather than just ramping the pressure up through rhetoric does seem a gamble - an election that makes them the largest party now can backfire on them long term.
Unless the thought process is simply to force Yousaf out without leading to an election with the SNP remaining in power, then you have enough time for leadership in general and Westminster election losses to taint Forbes or whoever else takes over as FM (which even with the Greens against could happen with support from Regan or abstention from Lib Dems). Possibly they'd rather that than Forbes or another coming in after Yousaf takes the fall for losses at Westminster with the SNP getting a new leader bounce at the same time as Labour's popularity potentially falls due to being the UK government.
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2 minutes ago, Lex said:
Eh? There’s 65 MSP’s between the Greens, Lib, Labour and Lib Dem’s, not 64? There’s 129 MSP’s, 64 votes is not enough.
I’m tempted for the bet now because you’ve obviously miscounted before you offered it, but I don’t know what the Greens will do, and certainly wouldn’t bet on weasel Harvie having the backbone to bring down the SNP government.
He’ll decide though, cause the Greens will vote as a block one way or another.It's 64-64 if Regan votes with the SNP - one of the Greens is the Presiding Officer.
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Slater's certainly not holding back, but there's an obvious inconsistency here as well: if you feel you were "let down time and time again" by the SNP failing to hold up their end of the agreement, why did you still believe staying in government was the best course of action and how often would they have had to let you down to change that?
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Reminder that the Scottish Parliament has set five year election cycles. A no confidence vote leading to an imminent election wouldn't mean bringing the May 2026 election forward, it would be in addition to it. While if it came to a confidence vote Labour & Tories couldn't do anything but vote no, introducing one in the first place lays a trap that it's probably not worth anyone's while to risk even in the outlandish scenario the Greens were to go so far as to support one themselves.
Labour fully believe they're going to be the largest party in Holyrood come 2026 and polling suggests there's a real chance of it, even before we see how Yousaf does with a 63-65 split in the parliament rather than 71-57 in hos favour. Why risk taking a knock in polling in the intervening years by making themselves an unpopular incumbent going into that election, for the sake of getting two years in minority government rather than five? Even if a Starmer government at Westminster has already turned unpopular by May 2026 they'll still be able to use opposition status at Holyrood to their advantage, but if they'd been the government for two years as well they'd have nowhere to hide and the NHS, ferries, drug death sticks they're beating the SNP with now could be turned back against them. The Tories would be throwing away 10+ seats and being the second largest party two years sooner than needed.
While Ash Regan is probably stupid enough to think she'd keep her seat Alba's one MSP won't be enough, and even those SNP backbenchers who evidently can't stand Yousaf like Ewing aren't daft enough to make themselves known as the people who put their own party out of government.
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Question is if it makes Yousaf look weaker or stronger in reality. This ostensibly looks better by avoiding the ignominy of the Greens being the ones to end it and the impression of a junior partner abandoning a flatlining government, but if he just feels like he had to do this to avoid looking weak because of the way the wind was blowing with the Greens likely to ditch it when he didn't want to, then he's already a lame duck who isn't in control even before considering he's now more dependent on keeping backbenchers onside.
Taking the decision unilaterally rather than having a vote of SNP MSPs or even the cabinet when the Greens were going to have a vote of their whole membership is again something that you could see being held up as an example of him being decisive and strong, but could just as easily look desperate in an attempt to get it done before they could be the ones to ditch it first.
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14 hours ago, VictorOnopko said:
It probably suggests that their persistent fouling and bookings are of the snidey, niggling, insidious sort rather than big hatchet men halving opposition players.
This is spot on. No one has ever questioned that when we want to be or are holding onto a lead we can be cynical shithouses and probably to a greater extent than anyone else in the division. From being too lightweight and easy to bully last season which needed a meaner streak added, now we're coming to the end of this season we can safely say we overcorrected and went too far the other way with the addition of Power and Broadfoot - the two of them alone have contributed 21 of the cards and no one's arguing they've been harshly treated. I think 4 or 5 of Muirhead's 9 have been dissent as well, a player who needs to learn to shut up.
However just as people seem incapable of understanding that "physical" can mean a load of energetic players running themselves into the ground pressing relentlessly rather than a team of 6'5 giants who'll dominate through head tennis, there's a struggle to separate cynical shithousery and willful brutality which doesn't care about or actively tries to injure players. The latter in this team pretty much begins and ends with Broadfoot, who if anything has been lucky to get away with the number of yellows he has for the number of times he's gotten involved in off the ball stupidity that could easily have been a red instead.
Obviously when you're playing that way it means others can be borderline and as games turn bad-tempered can be guilty of getting into nonsense or overzealous tackles too, while in the last few weeks Baird has seemingly lost his mind and lashed out off the ball in a huff every time a game has slipped away as the season has gone down the tubes with it, but generally if you're looking for full on dangerous challenges that risk injuries through leaving the boot in they're not any worse than Shaun Byrne, Brian Graham or various other players in the division, and even Broadfoot is nowhere near as bad as Aaron Taylor-Sinclair.
It'll be nice for the season to end and give us a break from this discussion starting in every other match thread.
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19 hours ago, Fuctifano said:
I think the issue with playing teams repetitively is more of an issue outside the top tier. Premiership clubs don't play (their first teams) in the Challenge Cup, and the nature of the playoffs means they can't play another Premiership team in them whereas in the Championship you're guaranteed to do so meaning a minimum of 6 games a season vs the same team before cup draws- and in leagues 1 & 2 you will do so if you finish 2nd or 3rd (or 4th and then beat the team from league above).
I think there's an argument for a bigger second tier -with split if need be- with the current Premiership / Championship play off format, at least if you finish 4th in a league of 14/16 it seems more reasonable to get a shot at promotion rather than 4th in a league of 10.
Yeah, even discounting every other issue of what clubs are likely to go for that means you're not going to see a change to the current setup - voting system, greater financial distribution needed which won't happen because of said voting system - I don't think increasing the size of the top flight is a good idea anyway. In isolation you can think that as a self-contained division 18 teams would be fantastic, but while we have enough clubs big enough in Scotland to make an 18 team top flight a great watch, you can't do it without having an enormous gulf between the first and second tiers that would unavoidably make the second tier a financial wasteland in a much worse way than now that would always risk relegation plunging clubs into turmoil. 12 teams is really the ideal size of top division to avoid that issue in Scotland.
If you left the top flight at 12 though, then expanding the second tier to 18 simply wouldn't cause the same problem of that gulf between divisions. You get away from clubs playing each other six times a season unless you're very unlucky with cup draws, only drop one home game compared to currently, the meaningless game argument is hugely overstated and there's something in it for everyone.
Current Premiership clubs who flirt with relegation regularly know there's far less chance of doing a double dunt relegation once they're down and they'll find themselves in a more stable division. Current League One & Two clubs would not only find it easier to get there but could stay there: where it's now effectively cyclical and whenever the likes of Arbroath or Alloa are in this league they know they're never going to last a decade, that would be a league they could get in and stay in which is a platform to sustainably grow. Chuck another 18 team league underneath it and you've put League Two teams further away from relegation by increasing the number of teams in the SPFL and kept the teams down the pyramid happy by opening up more places.
It's still not going to happen, but it would be an improvement.
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Wouldn't thank you for McIntosh. While he's been far from the biggest problem in either side, I don't think it's a coincidence that sides he's led the line in have finished bottom two years running.
I get that we're rumoured to be looking at Bird from Arbroath as well, but he's only 22 and this has been his first full season of regular first team football, so there's reason to believe he can improve further and is a good option as cover. McIntosh is 31 and has spent much of his career playing below this level for a reason. He's a good League One player who just isn't quite up to the Championship.
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Job done, ultimately. Shouldn't have made such hard work of that after the start to the second half where you thought we could go on to add more, but aside from a couple of individuals who were poor throughout, the second half performance was much better than the first. Gillespie had his best performance in a long time, Muirhead went through quiet spells but when he was involved was much better than he's been in recent weeks, Quitongo had an end product for a change, Crawford got his first goal since October, Waters was solid.
Have to temper that with the fact we were up against the worst team in the division and had we been playing anyone else we probably wouldn't have made it to half-time level while we still had Mullen to thank for managing that, so we'll still need to improve considerably to take anything from Raith, but at least the risk of collapsing into 9th is now gone.
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6 minutes ago, LargsTON said:
Subbed why? Can't have been that bad surely.
Injured, presumably wanted to play on and was overruled. He'd done his man and got crosses in a couple of times as well as cutting in and pulling off a great save, Muirhead and Quitongo have also gotten in behind once each, but overall we've not been good.
We look tidier in the final third than usual, which probably says more about Arbroath than us, but we're the usual riot of the last two months defensively. Could easily have ended up 1-0 down between French and Baird vanishing when they go down our right several times.
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A lot of Green councillors openly speaking out now against Bute House, if they get the numbers for an EGM in the first place I reckon they'll collapse it.
There is a reasonable theoretical argument around environmental policies that there should be less focus on benchmarking targets for a certain date and more focus on what policies will get you the long term reductions and improvements you're aiming for, rather than flailing around to try to meet unrealistic short term targets which leads to failure to adopt policies that will be better in the long term as a result.
That's not going to stand up as an argument for what the government are doing here, because the policies aren't actually there. It's chucking the target which could be fair enough in isolation, but having little of substance to replace it beyond well intentioned language about taking action rather than having policies ready to go.
You're getting to the point where nothing that was agreed for power sharing is coming to pass anyway, so the Greens are serving no purpose beyond being a lightning rod for criticism and that will end up killing them at the ballot box as even their core voters turn their backs over failing to achieve anything. Some of that has been due to an unprecedented intransigence and trampling of devolution on the part of the UK government after bills on devolved matters have been passed which neither party leadership can be blamed for, but much of it has been down to the incompetence of one or both of them and if it leads to the Greens being the ones to collapse the agreement, then even though some in the SNP will be happy to see it and they'll still have the numbers to govern in the meantime, it's only going to increase the lame duck feeling around Yousaf.
It's possible that the shadow of Murrell would have tanked any SNP leadership, but it was Yousaf's choice to set himself up as being so close to Sturgeon in his leadership bid and from the shambolic handling of the council tax freeze onwards the setbacks have undeniably been self-inflicted.
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Imrie says in his match preview that Strapp is out for the season and Wilson probably is as well. Going to be a slog getting any results without them, but at least Oakley is expected to be back.
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