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    Livingston v Hibernian

    in Scottish Premiership General Chatter

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    1 hour ago, The_Kincardine said:

    Nah.  'No goal' belongs in a special category and doesn't reset the pointer.  I agree with your OP that lack of a yellow pushes the pointer further towards the aggrieved side.

    I've softened my view in this particular situation because it involves diving, so I can sympathise with your point of view in this case due to that fact, as there is definitely some moral justice in Hibs having been denied the second penalty. Livingston never did any of that sh*te, so I don't think what actually happened is really that bad in the grand scheme. It still resulted in two wrong decisions, which could have been avoided entirely if we had VAR.

    Question is, did the referee deny the second because he realised Boyle dived and he was duped, or because he thought he himself made the wrong call? If the latter, he's in the wrong, as his own mistake never hurt Livingston. If the former, morally correct enough, even more so if Boyle scored.

    Perhaps there is a different acceptable course of action to be taken if the attacker simply slips and the referee makes an honest, but bad, call. If the situation involves no cheating, I would stick with my earlier suggested course. Do you think that's fair?

    Ideally we could just get Boyle sent off and banned for 20 games. That would clear this nonsense up.

    In my Hibs Hearts semi example though, where both teams cheated, I firmly believe Hibs were fleeced and that's indisputable as far as I'm concerned.

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    Livingston v Hibernian

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    8 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said:

    I do like your train of thought except a missed unjust penalty is neutral.  The calumny has already been committed and can only be cancelled by another egregious offense either being ignored for (in this case) Livi or wrongly awarded (again, in this case) to Livi.

    I see why you say that but I think penalties are a special case. There are only two outcomes of a penalty and the lines between them are very clear, goal or no goal. No goal negates the wrong decision. I'd agree with you if it was something like wrongly given corners, ie the ref can just blow for a non-existent foul as soon as it's taken. If we go with your suggestion of wrongly awarding a decision as game-changing as a penalty, that just creates more big wrong decisions and more opportunities for the wrong outcomes to happen. I say penalties are special because as I suggested, you can pretty much completely remove the injustice done to Livingston by missing the penalty. The more referees 'even it up' when it's already evened itself out (IMO), the more games will be skewed.

    Here's my favourite example, Hibs v Hearts semi final last season. Hibs cheated for a penalty, missed. In that moment, Hearts were given justice for the bad decision (again, minus the yellow card that should have been given). Later, Hearts cheated for a penalty, scored it. The decision to give Hearts the penalty followed what you suggested, ie wrongly awarding them the penalty after one was wrongly given against them (I don't actually think the ref "evened it up" though, I just think he was shite at catching divers). Had Hibs scored theirs, or Hearts missed theirs, I'd have said "sound, we're all cheating c*nts but at least the cheating never decided the game," and either of those outcomes would have been fine by me (though as a football fan I'd rather they both missed for the sake of true fairness). In my opinion, that game was decided because Hearts cheated better then Hibs cheated (though it was almost worth it because the way they lost the final was absolutely delicious).

    As an aside, I'd want wee p***ks like Martin Boyle sent off for dives that are as clear as that. Awful stuff, ruins games and sullies the reputation of the entire sport.

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    Livingston v Hibernian

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    22 minutes ago, ATLIS said:

    That makes absolutely zero sense

    I disagree.

    Boyle dives, gets penalty.
    The Injustice-O-Meter is now swinging heavily towards Livingston because they just got f*cked.
    Boyle correctly misses and that immediately evens it up (awright, it's still swinging towards Livi very slightly because he should have been booked).
    Then Hibs should have been given a penalty later (again assuming it was genuine, have only seen it once), denied.
    Injustice-O-Meter now pointing heavily towards Hibs.

    The ideal scenario (ie good refereeing) is that Boyle is booked, and Hibs get the penalty later.

    If he had scored the penalty, the Injustice-O-Meter would have burst through Martindale's napper, but would have been brought back pretty much to the middle by denying the real one.

    That all seems pretty logical and reasonable to me.

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    The Hibernian Thread

    in Scottish Premiership General Chatter

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    2 hours ago, Kyle Reese said:

    I must admit (shitehousing aside for a second), I separate Hibs fans in to two distinct groups:

    There’s the ones who are just like every other fan in the world, who put things like results and cups first, and would like it done in an entertaining and exciting manner, if possible.

    Then there’s the ones who batter on about “flair”, “Hibs class”, being first to have floodlights and teaching the 1970s Brazil how to play. 

    The first type I can have a conversation with. There’s slagging and banter of course, but it’s generally an enjoyable enough experience, and you can see things from another perspective as the discussion develops. 

    The second lot… an almost physically painful experience. Denial, accusations of stealing from charities and pensioners. There’s zero value in the debate. It’s all just deflection on to anything to avoid discussing results.

    Hibs need results now. They need to start seeing through the media reach arounds about Hibs style and flair. It’s not doing anyone at your club any favours to perpetuate myths like that, as it puts each manager on a hiding to nothing before they even get their feet under the desk. First few poor performances (regardless of results) and the group two supporters start bumping their gums about how “boring it is to watch” or whatever. Then when the inevitable bad results happen, the guy’s got no chance.

    All imo. You fall in to the first category for me. You took a real dislike to me when I started posting on here, as I was slagging Hibs. I’m okay with that, as I can be guilty of that myself sometimes. However, it’s generally just pisstaking. The group two lads however, those are the sort of oddball p***ks who emailed Lithuania when we were in admin. They are the primary reason I despise a number of Hibs supporters. Not all of them of course, but those type, I have a very healthy dislike for. It reflects on to my opinion of the club sometimes too. 

    Now, can we all just please get on with welcoming Steve Kean as the new manager. 😄

    You've just described the support of every professional football club (and some non-pro) that ever existed. The c*nts that brain, and the c*nts that don't brain.

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    Livingston v Hibernian

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    1 hour ago, LIVIFOREVER said:

    Shouldn't have had the first one right enough, so 3 wrong big decisions he fecked up with*, all worked out well in the end though, this time.

     

    *Must've realized he got the first pen award wrong, so didn't give them the 2nd one.

    That would have been a horrific way to deal with it though, considering justice was immediately done for the first one when the diving wee clown missed.

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