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10 minutes ago, Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier said:
Absolutely. How anyone can doubt. Low's fan ownership intentions is beyond me!
A club with under 2000 fans with a turnover next year likely to be around the £2million mark and we have 8 on the board plus Gerry.
This shows what a shambles we’ve become
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7 hours ago, kerly said:
Surely the weir family will have the say in how this progresses not Jlow
It’s 3BC that own the shares, none of the Weir family are involved since Colin passed
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Where’s all the supporters that pushed for Thistle Forever, demanding Beattie etc sold. Zero comments or support on social media these days. The Quinn’s Nesbits Herons Middletons etc.
Wheres the chairs cult driving this on?
Have they realized Paul Goodwin has sold us new set of clothes for the emperor?
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2 hours ago, dave.j said:
Ironically all those involved, who wanted Fan Ownership in its truest form, have been diluted out the process by "The Club".
What was TfE got diluted and became the Working Group. The Working Group is now getting diluted to become the Next Steps group. Which will included some Working Group members, some fans, some groups (god knows what that means) and some shareholders.
Maybe TfE shouldn't have taken the short cut and bent over for the Weir coin, at the first time of asking.
For a bunch of guys who literally never stopped going on about fan ownership, it's incredible how silent all the original TfE supporters are.
It’s becoming the people’s front of Judea not to be confused with Judea people front.
This is going to be another Jags Trust… oh wait a minute we had one of them Partick Thistle trust.
A dead duck magically morphs into a dead duck with a slightly different name
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VinnyJag red tagging anything against party line as norm
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4 hours ago, RandomGuy. said:
Fair enough.
Just asking as he was flagged up in a wee experiment im running as one of the better, young, attacking midfielders in the Championship last season, in terms of having chances, creating chances, and keeping the ball.
Curious whether the practice backs up the theory.
An experiment? With lab coats, Bunsen burners and test tubes, maybe even some weird animals in cages.
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6 hours ago, dave.j said:
Which is obviously not correct as you'll be lucky if the prize is ever more than a couple of hundred quid.
So, Vinny, where did this money come from, you are claiming the fans donated?
Maximum was £580, and is down to around £300 now. So even at £450 a week to club that only a fraction of what @Vinnyjag stated. I’ve been told it includes 50/50, CF and Season Tickets
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7 hours ago, dave.j said:
The fans have raised £185k out with season ticket sales?
£52k go fund me
£2k clothing
£130k in half time draw tickets???
That’s about 15000 tickets a week (as it’s split 50/50) most supporters must be buying over a fivers worth each every week
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2 hours ago, dave.j said:
I see the Club are, rightfully, celebrating the GoFundMe contribution of £40k.
But, when they are telling us how great we are in contributing £200k in the last 5 months, why are they not making it clear that about £150k of that is Season Ticket sales, and therefore money they'd get every year, anyway. Why are they including it in the running total? It seems to lump ST sales in as Fan Donations.
They probably don’t expect us to be allowed in to a game this season and then pay separately to stream the game, so see it as a donation
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35 minutes ago, Jacky1990 said:
He maintained his innocence and the case got thrown out.
If he had been found guilty its a different story of course, but he wasn't.
It never made it to trial based on a legal technicality according to the local news report linked on the wiki site
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39 minutes ago, Vinnyjag said:
Tadger
What has Low achieved?
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19 minutes ago, DA Baracus said:
What corruption is that tearful moronic (proposed) banner referring to?
Clubs not voting the way you wanted is not corruption.
Chair getting involved is just daft
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7 hours ago, jagfox BLM said:
Jacqui has been giving the young team advice on their protest banner apparently...
F@#king Hell!
Honestly what the hell is she up to. For someone with a PR and Spin background she’s a PR disaster
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On 19/03/2020 at 21:51, dave.j said:
Fans falling over themselves to give money to the Club whilst simultaneously not giving two fucks that the Chairman's Company owes the Club £900k after taking ownership of half our land. How absolutely fucking cringe worthy our support is.
3BC per us £900k
We had £600k in the coffers last accounts and now we’ve got the begging bowl out.
This chairdevil is running amock with the club as her wee play thing and her wee band of merry pals lap it up. It was one of her mates that set the gofundme site up
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3 minutes ago, D'Jaffo said:
Genuinely don’t get why she’s done that.
She can’t be so thick that she thought that would be considered the best type of reply to give.She’s done it so people are talking about this rather than the delay on fan ownership, the lack of transfer of land back to the club and her gaining control again
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26 minutes ago, dave.j said:
I'm actually speechless
Is she honestly just here to kill the club
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TFE or more specifically Paul Goodwin carries the can for this shambles.
He decided we needed fan ownership
He decided that when no one signed up that courting Weir and Low was the way to get it.
High time he made a statement
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2 hours ago, dave.j said:
see if you are a Third Party wanting to buy a football club. how long would it take you and your team to put together a business case and proposal?
realistically.
is 4 months really not long enough???
Depends if the seller (or gifter) really has any intention of selling or continually moves the goal posts
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31 minutes ago, dave.j said:
Never let it be said that following Thistle is dull.
Foreign investors show an interest in Thistle
A small group of fans decide this is no way to go and start a movement for Fan Ownership - TfE.
TfE shows little uplift, pledges are low and the majority of fans make it clear that Fan Ownership is not really something they want for the Club.
Without any prior indication that he was an avid fan of Fan Ownership, Colin Weir backs TfE. The only issue is, it's a completely different Proposal to the one TfE suggested to the fans. Now (when previously one wasn't required) Colin Weir/TfE will act as a go between, taking temporary ownership of the Shares for 4 months whilst the newly formed Working Group build and put forward a proposal that meets 3BC's requirements to what they deem as a suitable way for the fans to own their Club. why there was a sudden requirement for the shares to be bought and held by 3BC's, only TfE know.
As the sale goes through, 3BC's confirm they will buy and return the Propco Land to the Club within 7 days - The Training Complex is still going ahead.
3BC's appoint their own interim board including a couple of folk from The Trust set up by Colin Weir on the back of him previously buying some shares.
Only 1 member of TfE is appointed to the interim board.
Colin Weir suddenly, sadly dies. and what happens next, to some, beggars belief... for 4 WEEKS, the Press is filled with tributes as Weir's takeover and transfer to fan ownership is lauded up and down the Country. Weir is proclaimed the "Saviour" of Partick Thistle, i kid you not, our Saviour!!! what we needed saved from, no one is sure and so the wheels are set in motion as Colin's "legacy" must be fulfilled so that we can "realise his dream" of fan ownership. all the while a PR Spin exercise is set in full motion that would see the greatest comeback since Lazurus.
Who said smoke n mirrors? The land is still not transferred to the Club.
3BC's one remaining owner owns 50% of the Club's land. and it's now being stated that the Training Ground won't go ahead, it turns out that 3BC had originally sold us a pup. they never had enough money to do both. deciding without consultation to jack the training ground in favour of Fan Ownership(which carries little support). I've no idea what would have influenced Colin Weir to suddenly become a cheerleader for Fan Ownership.
February's quite a quiet month, but that doesn't last long. Half 4 on the last Friday of the month, the interim Board announce the news that absolutely no one was surprised about. Our former Chairman Jacqui Low has returned to take control of the Club, apparently guys like Charan Gill and those 3BC appointed to the Interim Board have suddenly became incapable of Chairing meetings... despite having done so for the last couple of months.
along side this, an announcement that the Club will be meeting with the Working Group to revise the timetable for handover, yet again comes as absolutely no surprise to anyone. i'm going to be honest, i've no idea why there would need to be a revised date for handover.
Absolutely spot on.
The only thing you missed was our saviour who had been a massive fan all his life, somehow managed to attend Firhill all these years without one fan coming out stating “they went to Firhill with him”, or “I used to see him on the North West bus” or “here’s a picture of us at the 1991 player of the year dance with George Shaw”
This has been spun to hell and I wonder who the spin doctor is?
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5 minutes ago, ScottyG said:
Just who are the members of the PTFC Trust? I pay annually to the Jags Trust so I know I'm a member of that. But the other trust?
Every season ticket holder, but at election time they never balloted most and they have made no statements in months
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4 hours ago, Ad Lib said:
Turns out the Land Registry shows absolutely no record of Three Black Cats (3BC) having transferred the Bing and Main Stand back to the Club (PTFC Ltd), more than 3 months after they said that they'd do it "within 7 days".
This effectively means, contrary to what 3BC said in November 2019, that the Club actually holds less of an interest in its stadium now than it did between 2009 and 2019. This is because the Club had owned an (almost) half share in PropCo itself. Admittedly, the Club will likely be entitled to about (though probably in practice slightly less than) half of the proceeds of the sale of PropCo's land to the 3BC, giving it a capital injection of something slightly shy of a million.
It also means (as someone else has helpfully pointed out to me) that PropCo's original investors will probably only just about make their money back from 2009, and might even make a slight loss, because their (slightly less than) £1 million share of the proceeds will be roughly what they put in to the club back in 2009. By putting that money in, they saved the Club hundreds of thousands of pounds of interest payments over 10 years, and would have made more money for themselves if they'd just stuck the money away in a poorly performing personal savings' account a decade ago (and with less risk).
Meanwhile, 3BC now owns outright half of Thistle's stadium whereas previously the Club had owned a (slightly less than half) share in the half of the stadium it didn't own outright.
If I were a cynic, and I am a cynic, I think 3BC is going to use the fact that PropCo is being wound up, and that the Club is about to get a capital injection from its distribution of assets, to hide the fact that Jacqui Low has sanctioned high levels of spending. It's going to be presented as a "continuing commitment to the club" when actually it's basically sold off some of the Club's interest in the stadium to support current expenditure.
The Bing and the Main Stand will, I suspect, not be returned to the Club, and will instead be used as an insurance policy in case things go belly-up for 3BC in about 1-2 years' time, once it has also become clear and as good as official that its shares in the Club aren't going to be transferred to a fan-controlled entity after all.
We were either deliberately lied to on 21 November 2019, or something significant and relevant changed to justify a more than three month delay to a routine transaction.
As another helpful poster elsewhere has pointed out, the whole idea of 3BC buying the land just to gift it to the club again was a bizarre way to structure the transaction anyway (from a tax perspective) as it increases liability on Land and Buildings Transactions Tax. The only reason it would make sense is if 3BC intended to hold on to the land for rather longer than 7 days, and for its own benefit, rather than for it to be a humble and temporary holding position for the Club.
This is exactly what I feared would happen.
The club effectively is worth significantly less (asset wise) as its 75% share of Firhill is now 50%
3BC appear to have taken a lot for a ride here and its high time the fans reps on the board reported back to their members via the PTFC Trust. If they won’t they should resign
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5 hours ago, jagfox99 said:
It's getting replaced soon apparently...
Gerry stated the same over a year ago
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27 minutes ago, Nightmare said:
I get why it shouldn’t happen, but tbh I’m not really arsed that we sold 200 Celtic fans tickets that didn’t exist.
It was more than that according to CelticSLO. 2 full rows that never existed and several numbers in all the rows that never existed (and never have). Plus the tickets the club sold to Celtic fans for the Excellent Main Stand.
This was all about making money and to Hell with the feelings of the home supporters (and to an extent the Celtic fans with no seats either). If this is a sign of future fan ownership then we’ll be out of business by Christmas
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15 minutes ago, jagfox99 said:
Maybe if you exclude cup games. Whether we like it or not he's been our best option up until now. Hopefully Rudden can put away some of the chances Kenny and others have missed going forward.
Might even give Miller a wee gee up.
Add in Graham as more of an aerial threat and I'm pretty happy with our forward options.
MacKinnon could be the missing link in midfield. Could also give the defence some much needed protection too.
The league is our “bread and butter” yes he’s our “best” option, but he’s currently a more expensive downgrade on both Doolan and McDonald, but that fault lies with Caldwell and the board for sanctioning it
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We will be behind Maryhill within 5 or 6 years