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Oh FFS.
No one that's not a Dundee fan could understand why I wasn't looking confident this week.
40 odd years practice of
Heid >>hands
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Just now, Thumper said:
If that's Coyle who is absolutely bursting a blood vessel screaming constantly then he's going to need heart surgery by the time this finishes.
Check him out noising up the 4th official as well
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Oh my word.
Whyyyyyy...
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2 minutes ago, Leith Green said:
Your workplace cant order trans people which toilets to use, but it can suggest (to all employees) that if any employee is uncomfortable, they are free to use other ones. This only seems sensible.
In the real world, I would suggest that if a trans woman in a workplace was going to use toilets, they would be far more likely to use a different space themselves (like a single cubicle disabled toilet) for reasons of embarrassment etc.
Anybody using the "Aye, but rapists" response to that hasnt really thought it through - because if you are an opportunist rapist of whatever gender, the suggestion that they wont do their dirty deeds unless they have self i.d. as a woman is - frankly - laughable.
I dont know how large your workplace is, but I would also - respectfully - suggest that the numbers identifying as a trans woman will be tiny - in fact in most workplaces will be zero.
Its not exactly rocket science, or that difficult to navigate to be honest.
Sigh. It's not all panicking about rapists - it's about the right of everyone to have privacy and dignity in their own single sex space. It is however laughable to suggest anyone said that men would 'only' do their dirty deeds if they can identify as a woman. It's that you are increasing the opportunity by lowering the existing barriers. Of course they will chance it if people are less likely to challenge them.
My workplace is massive, it's the biggest employer in the area in fact. One transwoman that I am aware of in our workplace, does choose to use the women's locker room/toilets. I wasn't aware as it's in a different part of the site than me, but our v chatty cleaner was complaining that he asked his boss about it, and she said "well we can't really say anything about it". There's at least one young trans identifying female, I'd be surprised if they use the men's though, by male colleagues accounts they are no v pleasant.
There is a balance between respecting how people want to express themselves and declaring everyone a bigot for not accepting every identity as fact and accepting anyone who chooses into wherever they want. No?
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8 hours ago, Billy Jean King said:
This is all getting dangerously close to the Inbetweeners scene where Jay is telling his mates about the guy who got stuck in the recycling bin
By the time someone found him in the morning, he had been arse-raped 18 times."
In what way?
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2 hours ago, Wee Bully said:
It’s really not. Prisoners should be under close supervision, and the fact you’ve gone to a prison example shows that you have no evidence that self- ID has “enabled chancers” in the real world.
Self ID as law isn't the issue though. It's the fact that it's already been presented as the right thing to do and been accepted in so many places.
My workplace is one of the ones with a policy that says if I'm unhappy that a man identifying as a woman wants to use the toilets or changing rooms, I should go elsewhere.
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53 minutes ago, Trogdor said:
Wait, prison isn't the real world?
Yeah, prisoners are expendable or something
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10 hours ago, carpetmonster said:
From the looks of it they’d need close supervision whichever prison they were in.
It's his mother he's threatened and other women he's attacked viciously though. Sounds like he's had a really horrendous life, but he still has to be detained safely, as a very dangerous person. Women's prisons generally have limited facility for highly dangerous prisoners as well.
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2 hours ago, Wee Bully said:
I can deny that.- show me the evidence.
We’ve had self-ID in Ireland for a number of years.. What has happened there?
Several prisoners having to have close supervision in women's prisons for one. Barbie Kardashian anyone?
Leo Varadkar's face was a picture when he was finally challenged by a journalist on the issue.
https://twitter.com/WomensSocIre/status/1638262631927631889?t=YHYYbBxdeOiAs8DfYSm2BA&s=19
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5 hours ago, Wee Bully said:
Sexual predators are well known for not entering women’s single sex spaces at the moment due to “taboo”.
Yes, that was the case.
Although it's rare overall, the drift to self ID has enabled chancers, I don't believe you can deny that.
I've pinched an explanation that I saw shared of the criminal/ social theory involved from someone more eloquent than me and included their link to Wikipedia:
"en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Routine_activity_theory
A crime exists because there is a combination of an offender, a suitable target and a lack of a capable guardian.
At the moment, the courtesy system means people using/supplying women's spaces act as a capable guardian as they can challenge any male appearing person if they sense a threat. (And trans women have been using our spaces unchallenged for years, which shows that if no threat is perceived women are happy for trans women to share space)
If self-ID comes in, women and girls won't be able to perform that capable guardian function. Indeed we already see guidance suggesting that women raising concerns are the problem and should be the ones asked to use private spaces instead.
Routine activity theory shows that removal of the capable guardian will increase crimes”
I've also seen it described using the "Swiss cheese model" - 2 of the layers of protection are sex segregated spaces and the people raising the concerns.
It's not about demonising trans people, it's about realising the potential effect of these societal changes and dealing with them, not denying they exist.
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So....all we need to do is not lose.
Oh shite, we're Dundee.
Looking forward to another relaxing Friday next week then.
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2 hours ago, Ludo*1 said:
1 win in 5 for us. 2 wins away since the 23rd December.
I've said it time and time again but whether we go up or not, I'm much more looking forward to this squad being ripped up.
If QP manage to do the business against Morton tomorrow, it's their league IMO.
Forget Cove's style of play as bad as it is, if we can't, at home, do more than get 1 significant shot on target (from well outside the box) against the team that is bottom of the league then I don't think we deserve anymore than we get.
We did just keep trying the same thing - playing through the forest of Cove players clogging up the box.
It was like fkin pinball watching it bounce back out.
It did feel like there must surely be some kind of other plan to try.
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19 minutes ago, johnnydun said:
What an utterly shite game. f**k being a Cove fan if you have to watch that shite every week.
Highlight for me was knowing that everyone could hear me at home telling that c**t to get the fuckin' ball.
Thank you.
Genuinely my (only just) teenager who has no interest in football was pissing himself laughing, while I tried to get him no to repeat it to his youngest sibling who hadn't quite heard it.
(Youngest almost fell asleep on the couch at half time, possibly the right idea tbf)
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1 hour ago, G_&_T said:
What a great result! I didn't even consider Dundee would drop points at home to Cove. Yaaaaassss!
Have you seen Dundee play before?
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21 hours ago, Salt n Vinegar said:
I've tended to stay out of this " debate" , because apart from one acquaintance I have very little direct experience of the humans involved in the issue. At the risk of asking really annoying questions, when folk are going off their collective nut about people accessing "single-sex" places, who is going to decide if someone looks 'sufficiently female' to be allowed admittance to a 'female only' space without some form of checking, what will the nature of the checking be for those on the "wrong" side of that superficial assessment and who is going to be trusted carry out the checking? After all, someone who may look to all intents and purposes female may well indeed have the dreaded boaby. I've seen some politicians over the years that might give rise to questions.
Further, who checks now, before any law changes?
And finally, which toilet or changing room does a trans male use? If they were born biologically female, should they use the 'female' toilet or changing room despite outwardly 'male' appearance?
(Point of information - drink has been taken.)
Attempting to be brief, but have also had a beverage or 2 while watching the horror that is Dundee FC
They're not annoying questions, bit quite commonly asked.
Really, it's not all about toilets. In the USA there is a lot of chat about 'Bathroom Bills" which tends to divert discussion at times.
There quite obviously wouldn't and shouldn't ever be checks, genital or otherwise - that's a nonsense idea.
We managed without even *thinking* about checks for many years, when transsexuals (as was the description in the original UK GRC legislation) genuinely were a tiny minority, estimated at around 4-5000 people in the UK in 2004. Estimates now of how many people identify as trans vary a lot but you're now talking about multiples of 6 figures, not 4 figures. The bar is also a lot lower thanks to organisations being advised to implement self id policies "ahead of the law", in the assumption that GRA 2004 reforms would go through unchallenged. Plus the 'umbrella' expanding to include cross dressers, 'gender fluid' and 'non binary' individuals.
What has changed, in essence, is the push to discard previous societal norms - that males should not be accessing or expecting to use women's changing rooms or toilets (see also prisons, hospital wards, refuges, support groups etc. etc).
The societal protection afforded by the taboo of entering opposite sex toilets (or any other single sex spaces) is weakened by this, if people are worried to challenge anyone and/or if unisex facilities are the only ones available.
Women who have transitioned and present as male is a different issue. While they might cause alarm to some women initially if they appear convincingly male, any women I've encountered online or in RL is unbothered by them using female facilities in principle.
The the overriding issue in discussion is the likely behaviour and/or danger from men, who are *on average* larger, stronger and hugely more likely to commit violent and sexual crimes.
The reason trans men are mentioned much less often, is that there are fewer of them loudly demanding access to male spaces and they are not exactly causing a risk/nuisance to men. It's not zero - ask the gay men who don't have any interest in them. However although they aren't always respecting men's wishes or men's single sex spaces, dating apps etc., They are more at risk themselves e.g if they insisted on going to a male prison.
A mess, really.
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Just now, Thereisalight.. said:
Hartley - it's not a beauty contest
Lad has used that line before
It's no a "how many can you fit in the box" contest either though.
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Jesus that was awful. As expected to be fair.
Oldest enjoyed hearing "get the fkin ball you c**t" via iPlayer commentary though
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Thank fk, Macmullan coming on. Thought he was going to wait until 5 mins to go.
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1 minute ago, jagfox said:
I actually wanted the ref just to give that. Cove don't deserve owt from this shitfest.
Playing in the classic 10-0-0 formation
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Legzdins half way up the pitch cos there's no Cove players in Dundee half anyway
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Maybe no wait until 10 mins to go for subs this week.
Wtf, was he leaning on Robinson's head?
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Just now, Paranoid said:
Get him on. Pars legend.
Seems a nice chap as well, chatted to the bairns when we bumped into him outside Gayfield
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1 minute ago, Peadar BigDinnerO'Driscoll said:
McMullan for Hannant please and stop giving the ball to Sweeney.
100% could do with McMullan, canny be any worse surely. Probably have someone hinging on his shirt anyway the day.
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The Final Battle - Queen's Park vs Dundee FC - 05/05/2023
in Scottish Championship General Chatter
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Yay Legdzins made a save.
Gonnae be an outbreak of high blood pressure in the Dundee area the day.
