EdTheDuck
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I don't know if the Scottish BBC are just awful fucking journalists or genuinely stupid but they still don't understand the League Cup points system.
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1 hour ago, Jacksgranda said:
Big six - includes Dundee United? Currently toiling in The Championship, not even big 14.
He appears to be talking to himself, best not to get involved, sort 'let sleeping dogs lie' etc etc and so on and so forth
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14 hours ago, Rosco4 said:
3x leagues of 16, premiership, championship & Third Division, regionalisation after this.
Each league uses the same format.
All 16 teams will play each other once at home and once away for the first 30 games. After this, the league will be split into 4, 1-4, 5-8, 9-12, 13-16. These teams will then play each other twice more, once at home and once away, bringing a nice grand total of 36 games per season.
In the premiership, 1st qualifies for the champions league first qualif round while 2nd automagically qualifies for europa league first qualif round. The teams ranked 3-6 will then play 2 legged play offs (3v6 & 4v5) with the winners then playing another 2 legged play off to decide the final Europa league spot. If the Scottish cup winner happens to be one of the teams ranked 1-6 in the final league standings, the team in 7th will then participate in the europa league play offs, again 4v7 & 5v6.
The teams that finish 1-10 in the premiership will receive a by to the knockout rounds of the betfred cup, this gives the end of season games between teams ranked 9-12 which don’t have much to play for a little bit more meaning
teams finishing 15th & 16th will be automatically relegated, with 14th going into a play off with 3-5th in the championship, I’ll get on to this in a bit.
all in all for the premiership this means that 9 of the 16 finishing spots mean something.
The championship works mostly the same way with the europa league play offs being replaced by promotion play offs. Top 2 go up automatically with 3rd-5th going into the play-offs along with 14th place in the prem. teams will play 2 legged semis (3v5 & 4v14) with the winners playing a 2 legged final, with the winner of that gaining promotion/maintaining their premiership status. Relegation works exactly the same, 2 automatically down, 14th goes into the play off. For the top 10 teams in the championship (+all premiership sides) they will all receive a by to the Scottish cup second round. Again, this will increase competitiveness in the games between the teams ranked 9-12.
the third tier works nearly exactly the same as the championship, promotion works exactly the same way, while there is no extra incentive this time for the top 10 teams. At the bottom, the bottom 3 go down with the winners of each regional league get promoted.
This format still assures you of 4 OF games a season (unless something goes horribly wrong for one of them) and it should increase competitiveness across all leagues.
It may have passed you by, but the possibility of a game involving the two larger Glasgow clubs just this last season which actually had no bearing on the destination of the title had the SPFL hierarchy having kittens. Can you even imagine the head exploding hysteria having them meet twice in the last 6 games would cause?
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Just now, Thistle4eva said:
More of a work and go to bed thing i am looking for as its a lot of hours. Basically a cheap room I’m wanting. Thanks
Ah, righto
There's a plethora, an honest to God plethora, of guest houses in Bucksburn, Stoneywood and Dyce.
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Just now, Thistle4eva said:
Serious question here .. Any of you guys know where I can get decent accommodation near the new conference centre ? Been offered decent money for work there ?
Any input would be great.
Cheers
There's like a bazillion new "apartments" for rent at Stoneywood, within walking distance of the conference centre. Can't remember the name but I pass it on the way home will put updetails later
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50 minutes ago, Robert James said:
Brilliant post Ed ! I wish I'd written it.
Don't worry, you will
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55 minutes ago, Robert James said:
Things have changed since then, and if they applied to join the pyramid now, the Highland League (tier 5) would have difficulty refusing their entry in my view. It has been stated that the HFL is not a closed shop. Licensed BoD would surely tick all the boxes ?
I'll defer to Jimmy Shaker who is the resident expert on all things SHFL, but AFAIK the SHFL is still invite only, unofficially or otherwise. BoD have stated unequivocally they're in favour of the pyramid so why aren't they in the SHFL or at least exercising their "right" to apply?
The reason the SFA/SPFL rumour of a Northern League emerged is because the SHFL is a closed shop and appears to working on a geological timescale to implement any pyramid changes. Having said that the SFA/SPFL do not, in all honesty, give a flying f**k about the arse end of the football hinterland and a Northern League is probably more bother than it's worth in their eyes.
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Just now, Robert James said:
It was 9 years ago for BoD, not "a couple of years back".
9 years...
I've wasted my life...
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30 minutes ago, Robert James said:
..........and Burghead Thistle (another decent ground).
Yes I agree with your post. But are the current North Juniors really interested ? Not even licensed/floodlit Banks O'Dee (big city club so Kenny131 doesn't need to worry) having shown any desire for HFL football.
Banks o' Dee are interested in a 'Northern ' league I think but that is no longer the SHFL after the way they were zinged a couple of years back. If the SFA or SPFL create their rumoured Northern League, because the SHFL is not just dinosaury but dinosaury-stuck-in-a-tarpit, BoD would be at the front of the queue.
There are others in the North Juniors with potential (Sunnybank, Culter, Dyce, Ellon, Stonehaven, Inverness City (hopefully)) but they're currently mired in a league that is "amateur" in all but name and pretty much rumble along with the mythical two men and a dog watching and certainly display little interest in expanding their horizons.
However, I believe if the pyramid was in place we might see the people with a bit of drive coming to the forefront and pushing these clubs on. They are there, the folk with ambition and vision but they are stymied at the moment.
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Zidane quits, Hopkins to the Bernabeu...
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Just awful, awful news
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23 hours ago, R.Mutt said:
And we still have some fans with the audacity to greet about how we've been performing lately.
Is that how AFC fans have to gauge it now, is it? "Hey, we might have got thrashed by Motherwell in both cups this season but ye be thankful, at least it isn't Mark McGhee..."
That should be inscribed over the gate at Kingsford, what a fucking motivator that would be, eh?
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1 hour ago, Arsenal till I die said:
UEFA has killed it by imposing on FAs who can qualify from what competition. We already have a very good knockout championship in Scotland already, a few years ago Hibs won the final against Rangers to take the title. The problem is UEFA dictating whether or not the winner can qualify for the Champions League. Still, when the clubs had a few years to change the voting structure and didn't, that's a bit of an own goal isn't it?
Yeah, the Scottish Cup is exactly the same as championship playoffs
and what has UEFA got to do with the championship format?
Not changing the voting structure is a very good barometer of just how self serving and stupid certain of our larger clubs are, so yes.
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1 hour ago, NorthernLights said:
"Strong Rangers" alert!
The only thing that will help Celtic in Europe is following the template they used to reach the UEFA Cup final in 2003, namely running up vast losses and carrying substantial debt. Martin O’Neil knows this, as he was instrumental in doing so.
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6 hours ago, tamba_trio said:
It is to Scottish footballs credit that they've created the most predictable sports league imaginable. That takes skill. And they've not noticed that 35 years of the title being won by the same city dilutes interest.
How's about 16 teams... Play each other once. And you play the teams closest to you in the league an extra time. So top 4 get two games against each other, and so on. Poorer teams get slightly easier fixtures.
And we can share revenue a bit too. It doesn't even need to be a hard salary cap. But it'd be nice to maybe only be the second or third least competitive league in the Universe.
Colombia used to do just that. Each half season they'd play everyone once with a second game against their traditional or local rival. They've dumped that extra game this season.
Colombia adopted the Liga MX system a few years back by the way, top 8 playing a KO for the title.
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7 minutes ago, thepundit said:
No one knows how much Rangers will spend this summer. Did Celtic splash the cash they'd stockpiled last summer? I don't remember them spending more than Rangers, although I may be wrong.
I have no idea what they've spent but earlier this year they had, allegedly, £30M cash in hand. Cash. In. Hand.
I don't know about anyone else but I find that singularly depressing
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23 minutes ago, thepundit said:
There's a simple explanation. Celtic were spending just enough to be better than the teams around them at that time. (albeit when Rangers and Celtic were pushing each other in the seasons prior there was cup wins for Dundee Utd, Kilmarnock and Hearts)
They're still spending 'just enough' to see off the teams around them as witnessed by their catastrophic performances in Europe although of course this has enabled them to build up a War Chest (I think that is the appropriate term) of sufficient depth to ensure they will spend just enough in the coming season to ensure that even the remotest possibility of a revival from across Glesgae is ground into the dirt post haste.
However, that wasn't really the point.
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The lack of self awareness among these mutants is epitomised in a single post.
While The Rangers were on their journey Celtic took 4 seasons to win 6 trophies while six other clubs won a trophy in those four seasons. Since The Rangers made it into the Prem Celtic have won the lot twice.
It's all their fault . We need to remove Them from the Prem again, for the good of Scottish football
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17 hours ago, tamba_trio said:
So... Hibs dramatically won the title courtesy of a dramatic injury time equaliser in a 5-5 draw.
Rangers went from champions to fourth because of that goal.
The top five teams finished within 2 points of each other.
Na.... that'd never work. 18 teams. Play each other twice. Yawn.
Of course, it wouldn't always be like that...
We have to go all the way back to 2015-16 to find a reasonably close call, the Winter League (Apertura) ended like this;
On the second last round, however, Celtic drew at Dundee and Aberdeen had the chance to get within 2 points...but they drew as well.
Before that it's all the way back to ... the season before and again the Spring League, it ended
On the final day Aberdeen just had to beat Dundee at Pittodrie to win the Winter/Apertura title...and they blew it, a 3-3 draw
Prior to that it was a whole 2 years before the previous close call and this is a doozy, it kind of demonstrates why the split season is such an attractive proposition to me. I appreciate the Spring (Clausura) League is 6 games short because of the Split but with 2 rounds left the top of that table would have looked like this
As it happened Celtic won by 3 points from Ross County & 4 from Motherwell but the interest with a couple games to play would surely have been through the roof
The thing about the short season is that the 'smaller' clubs can go on a good run that would get them in the mix where over the 38 game 9-month slog resources just make it impossible for Motherwell, Ross County or Aberdeen to compete.
You spoke about an 18 team league and if we were going to have one, this would be the way to do it, with a split season. With only 1game against each of the OF(RIP) and additional games against weaker opposition, the likes of Hibs, Aberdeen, Hearts and Motherwell and Ross County would likely have an even better chance of making a real impression at the top of the table in one half or the other.
Even McInnes, surely, wouldn't be able to state "we can't win the league" in such circumstances?
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The possibility of the Highland League even trying to have mid-season playoffs a la Mexico would be something to see, clubs cramming 8 games into a week…
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22 minutes ago, DARREN38 said:
Adopt the south American formula like Mexico. It would give more interest and competitive football.
Especially if it was introduced to every part of Scottish football not just premier league
Which South American formula though?
The Mexicans use the apertura/clausura with playoffs, as do the Colombians, Costa Rica, Ecuador, El Salvador, Guatemala, Venezuela
Whereas Paraguay, Peru, Uruguay use the apertura/clausura without playoffs
Brazil and Chile use the European double round robin while Argentina currently has a 28 team Primera Divisione that plays each other once.
South/Central American fitba is extremely varied and changeable...or mental if you prefer.
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and what has UEFA got to do with the championship format?
The Terrible Journalism & Tom English Thread
in Scottish Premiership General Chatter
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I see the BBC have now corrected the table from the erroneous one above.
Would this be because they trawl P&B for opinions & news or because someone at BBC Scotland pointed out the error?
I think we all know the answer to that