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23 minutes ago, jagfox said:
Apologies if I am reading this wrong but if Colin Weir's wishes for fan ownership and fans keeping the shares was to put them into the trust along side the first tranche this would have been made clear a long time ago?
A very good point and one that's been overlooked by some. If that's what had been suggested while Colin was still alive then I doubt there would have been much dissent, although there would have been misgivings.
Concerns at a Trust with Club Board appointees controlling the Club was the reason stated back in 2019 as to why this could not happen, and yet here we are.
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“Having discharged our obligation to deliver Colin Weir’s final wishes, 3BC will now step away. It is over to you and the Club to build a meaningful relationship that gives fans the strong voice and influence at the heart of Thistle they want."
The sole director of 3BC invites the unelected and unrepresentative PTFC Trust to build a meaningful relationship with the Club, and steps away to become (checks notes...) the chairman of the Club. Now do you get it?
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17 hours ago, Against The Machine said:
Forgive my outsider's ignorance here, but... do they?
There seems to be a huge amount of discussion around what Colin Weir did or didn't intend, but is that not basically irrelevant now? It's not like he was some sort of football club fan ownership doyen who had this great plan in place. He was just a guy who won the lottery.
The bit you're missing is that the fulfillment of "Colin Weir's wishes" is what we are being told by Three Black Cats via the football club, is the issue that made them dismiss the Foundation bid and accept/manufacture the PTFC Trust bid. Those wishes remain obscure, and at the Foundation EGM were stated to have been subject to "legal privilege" according to Three Black Cats.
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I was at the Foundation EGM last night and listened carefully to the presentations from representatives from Hearts and St Mirren. Neither of them were in the position that we are in right now.
In both cases they had a club in imminent danger from disinterested or effectively bankrupt owners, and I suppose that the jeopardy introduced by that must have had a strong galvanising effect in terms of fan action. In the Q&A session, one of the St Mirren folk said that not all of their fans were fully convinced by the prospect of fan ownership, but that it was scepticism around the survival of the fan bid rather than outright rejection.
Thistle of course have to find a different way to to mess things up. After promising fan ownership (I thought this was brilliant back then BTW, despite some anxiety about the process), the club setting in place a Working Group, and a Foundation growing from that Working Group with supposed links back to the club via selected boardroom appointments of former Working Group members, it turns out that this wasn't what Colin Weir had in mind after all. If only someone from Colin's company Three Black Cats had been involved in the club then we might have known that earlier (eye roll emoji).
Where we find ourselves now is like the kid who has been promised a real Thunderbirds Tracey Island, but who wakes up on Christmas morning to the Blue Peter version made from bog roll holders. It's the same feeling of wanting to be grateful to the person who has taken the time to make the Blue Peter version, whilst resenting the fact that the real version was what we were expecting when the wrapping paper came off on 16 August.
The question is what we do with our Blue Peter fan ownership. Because despite all protest, we are not in charge and we can't go to the shops and buy our own real version.
I still think that Three Black Cats need to be clearer about what Colin Weir meant. That would at least be a starting point to understanding how all of this mess can be unravelled. If he truly wanted the club to control the fan shares then fine, we need to deal with that and get on with supporting the team on the pitch. But where there's a void, folk fill in the blanks in a way of their choosing. We are long overdue some answers.
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Email update from The Jags Foundation
The TJF match-day stalls are back
Common sense has prevailed. This morning Jacqui Low contacted the Foundation on behalf of the Club Board and advised that, after all, The Jags Foundation would be permitted to have stalls in the John Lambie and Jackie Husband Stands as before. This is the correct decision, and we are grateful to those who clearly understood the ridiculousness of the situation and urged a change of course.
This means that we will be able to distribute McParland Pins as originally planned this evening. We intend to have our stalls set-up in their usual places on the concourses from around 7:15pm up until kick-off.
We know that feelings have run high in recent weeks, because Thistle fans feel very strongly about what is right for our club. We had previously urged the Club and Three Black Cats to work with us on a joint statement urging moderation and respect for other members of the wider Thistle community. This was declined at the time. We hope that this decision signals a move in that direction on their part.
For the avoidance of doubt, we urge everyone to conduct themselves respectfully towards their fellow fans, and encourage them to listen to what the PTFC Trustees have to say and to engage with them civilly and politely. They deserve a fair hearing, even though we have grave reservations about what they have planned for our club and how those proposals were arrived at.
Now, our own attentions turn to the match itself, where we will all be hoping that Ian McCall’s men can secure three points and get our league campaign heading in the right direction.
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1 hour ago, VictorOnopko said:
One of the many problems with Low's stranglehold is that she appears to have (utterly cynically) spun TJF along while the season ticket money was coming in, only to drop them and implement her permanent power grab once the money was banked.
I may be very naïve but that seems overly cynical. I think it's much more likely that they were busy doing some scenery rearrangement so that as one door was closed, another opened.
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As to how this all plays out, my bet is that the club/3BC simply clams up about it all and hopes it becomes another stooshie that's been had, oh dear what a shame, never mind, eat yer dinner. That's apparently been their approach throughout this whole affair, as reported by The Jags Foundation once the gag was off. Limited information released via diktat, elusive on the requirements of any fan led bid, high handedness when dealing with the Foundation and so on.
Do the fans have the bottle to seriously challenge this? We'll see soon enough...
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1 minute ago, Pie Of The Month said:
I've changed my mind now Conrad Balatoni has vouched for them.
There will be people actually thinking that
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1 hour ago, Sting777 said:
I'm definitely not dismissing this out of hand. There are plenty of clubs with different models of fan ownership nowadays. One thing I'd ask folk to bear in mind is that fan ownership doesn't mean the fans running the club, in the same way that David Beattie and other shareholders were happy until recently to have a separate board running the club. For the avoidance of doubt I'm not involved with the new group, but I served on the Jags Trust many years ago.
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33 minutes ago, Cerberus said:
It’s utterly humiliating and complete mismanagement that Hamilton can pick up points and we’re a utter gang on the park
We’ve actually been shite going back months now.
Anyone still clutching to Archie being a good manager can f**k off n all.Califuckofffornia
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11 minutes ago, jagfox99 said:
I think Jaquie Low was quite involved in that...
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2 minutes ago, Virtual Insanity said:
Was it not that the Weirs were quite involved in getting Jacqui Low on the board?
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There's an old guy that sits behind me who is a constant moaner and only rarely has anything positive to say. Yesterday his mate said to him "who was that losing the ball on the far side?" and the old guy said "Storey, or Horror Storey as I'm going to start calling him". Honestly the highlight of the match for me. You have to laugh... no, you do... go on...
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Not impressed that the game on 23 September has been moved back by an hour to make certain that we encounter pissed up Old Firm fans on our way to the game (rather than it just being a possibility). I really don't get the reasoning behind this. The game at Ibrox will be over at say, 1.50pm and by the time the roasters are in full swing (from whatever side), we'd have been safely inside Firhill. Kicking off our game at 4pm guarantees that the fannies will be coming into pubs where Jags and Jambos are having comradely chat and we'll be forced to listen to their shite and tolerate being patronised. Pish. Utter pish.
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1 hour ago, Thistle4eva said:
In Tenerife is their any way watching the game on jagzone tomorrow? Or is it only home games they cover ? Any help would be great cheers.
Only home games, but the commentary will be available I expect.
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Too many strikers now. Get it sorted Archie.
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After subsidising buses to Aberdeen for the Scottish Cup quarter final via TV money, it's time for us to use the TV cash to keep out the away support and restrict them to the minimum possible under the rules.
Rules :
"The Home club must make provision for the admission of such reasonable number of visiting supporters at every home League Match and Play-Off Match* as may be agreed in advance with the Visiting Club and, in the event of their being unable to agree such number not later than 14 days prior to the date of the League Match or Play-Off Match in question, the number of visiting supporters allowed shall be determined by the Board whose decision shall be final and binding."
*[this rule is referred back to, from the separate rules for the League Cup]
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I've bitten the bullet and subscribed to Jagzone this season. It seems expensive when you add it to the cost of your season ticket but I've rationalised it as costing the same as a soy milk latte and an oat and acai berry flapjack per month, so I'm cool with that.
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2 hours ago, Menzel said:
The Bohemka reference is a touch misleading in that Nitrianský signed for them in January and did not feature in any game for them for the second half of the season. This should perhaps raise some alarm bells as they avoided the drop from the Czech first league by a grand total of one point (you've got to feel for Hradec Králové, who went down on goal difference). Previous to that was a year and a bit with Slovan Liberec, who last season were a shadow of their former selves and finished mid-table, where they usually are in the top four or so.
Positives for this signing is the solid record that Nitrianský enjoyed in four years at Slavia Prague, however this was during some of the worst times in the club's history where they nearly got relegated. There are some pertinent similarities with the Scottish game in that he is a typical Czech RB in that he is a physical presence, and not (if I am led to believe) one of these guys whose going to bomb it upfield and try to grab goals. If you're looking at a player to try and sure things up at the back I can see this working out.
We've signed the Czech Gary Miller
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České Budějovice was Nitrianský's first club, so he's maybe a Budweiser
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30 minutes ago, Im_Rodger said:
Billy Reid I'm not joking. After the work he's done at Sweden he would be a great appointment. Will easily get Hearts European football as well as European runs.
i've had the runs in Europe. Overrated IMO.
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In other news Munros in Gt Western Rd confirmed that they have stopped having sport in the bar and are "concentrating" on the food and music side of things. Looks like I'll need to find another handy pre match food and pint place.
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Me, I'd drop Erskine at the weekend and keep him benched as an impact sub. No idea who I'd play elsewhere in the midfield where we look a bit incoherent these days. Brilliant for one game, pants for two and meh for the other one.
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Gotta play Osman on Saturday so that we see what happens when him and Bartley go head to head. I'm expecting some kind of mixing of the streams that results in a new type of football being born.
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The Partick Thistle thread
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Is James Cairney only allowed a limited number of articles in the Glasgow Times? He's been quiet for a while. Maybe waiting to see what happens at the game tomorrow.