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9 hours ago, Bogbrush1903 said:
We're obviously still a big enough club to attract nonsense threads like this and all because we've lost our last three matches. If St Mirren lost three matches in a row then it wouldn't raise a whimper.
That whole sentence is "nonsense"
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I guess it's all down to whether you trust the manager to get the best out of them.
For us, under Goodwin, it felt that players were brought in to do a specific job and if they didn't do that from the get-go then you were out.
With Robinson, you sort of feel that a player will improve.
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2 hours ago, gannonball said:
I've seen it again now and get why it's a penalty but the replies of 'clear as day' and 'stonewaller' to my post made me decide to not engage any further.
Devlin literally tackled Olusanya, not the ball, and did so in the box. I'm not sure how more clear it needs to be.
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1 minute ago, Leith Green said:
Hes a knob, theres a reason hes on a lot of ignore lists.
Living rent free in your head.
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1 minute ago, eez-eh said:
Apology not accepted.
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Just now, jimbaxters said:
Yes please. PM everyone to let us know when you've sorted it.
Literally done, seeing as only a few people have voted I don't see the point in re-submitting the thread.
Apologies for that, bit of a Sunday morning brain fog.
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2 minutes ago, 1GregStewart said:
Think you have Hibsed it
11 minutes ago, Sortmeout said:Is that not the exact same opinion as me?
Your question in the OP was “will Warnock keep them in the league?” and I’ve said I think he will but I hope he doesn’t because it would be very funny.
Actually, looking back, I've done mixed messages there. There are effectively 3 "titles"; the thread title, the poll title and the poll question, the two titles ask if he'll get them relegated, the question is the opposite.
So yeah, sorry about that, I'll go back and edit to so they are all the same.
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7 minutes ago, Sortmeout said:
Is that not the exact same opinion as me?
Your question in the OP was “will Warnock keep them in the league?” and I’ve said I think he will but I hope he doesn’t because it would be very funny.
My question is whether he'll relegate them, thus "Hibs'ing it"
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18 minutes ago, gannonball said:
Watching the highlights now
..are you sure, because if you are then it's as clear as day that Olusanya gets in front of Devlin and actually makes contact with the ball, controlling it. It is only after Olusanya's touch that Devlin brings him down.
Was it malicious? No. Was it intentional, presumably no. Was it a penalty? Absolute stonewaller.
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I was listening back to Sportsound,
I'll not lie I was "audibly rubber-necking", hoping to hear the Willie Miller's car crash comments after his beloved team lost late on. Yeah, I know, it's cheap to feed off his misery. However, I'll hand it to him, he was surprisingly even handed in his comments so I decided to listen into the extra section of the show, which had Miller and Aberdeen fans talking.
Who, the f**k, was that lunatic that wanted a square go with Miller? They don't post on here, right? Of the two, the lassie seemed pretty fair, but the older lad, my God.. every question was answered with "You hired McGhee you cannot have an opinion". It's like, right, I get that buddy, but that's years ago. You could tell both Miller and the show staff were fed up with his pointless digs. I'm genuinely surprised he wasn't huckled off the line and replaced with someone how was going to add to the piece rather than shout at Miller all the time.
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2 minutes ago, Sortmeout said:
I think he will but hope he doesn’t. (No offence to Aberdeen fans I just think it would be massively funny if this happens).
I'm the opposite, I don't think he'll get them relegated, but I do think it would be hilarious if he did. That's not a particular dig at Aberdeen or their fans, but every neutral loves a dramatic collapse, especially from a "establishment" team.
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Today I ask you one simple question and it's something most of us are wondering. Going by results, and Warnock's seeming ignorance of both his team and the league, it's not outrageous to suggest this team will end up in the playoffs.. and if they do, would you bet against Raith, Partick or United (..or even Morton!
) giving the Pittodrie lot a hard time?
Let's be clear... Aberdeen have the resources and playing staff to get themselves out of this, but so did Hibernian under Butcher. Any team down that end of the table knows what a death spiral it can be, and once momentum turns against you wins turn into draws, draws turn into losses and luck starts deserting you, which in turn leaves players feeling depressed and stressed and only increasing the likeliness of errors that lead to more wins turning into draws, draws into losses... etc...
They next game is in the cup against Killie, but their next league game is the 13th against Dundee. This poll will remain open until kick off.
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Aberdeen FC, you have been Cormacked..
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Warnock has been a brilliant appointment. Love what he is doing, and he deserves the praise he's getting for doing such a good job. For a man, and club, of such high regard it seems almost inconceivable that they will come out of this with anything other than a resounding victory.
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10 hours ago, houston_bud said:
Apparently Gianni Infantino will be at the game this weekend.
They are up at Loch Lomond so the nearest game would be either us or Rangers (I presume). That said, I don't want him at the game, he has shown that he cares more about money than he does about the sport he claims to love, or the fans that support that sport. In that sense, you feel he'd be a better fit for Ibrox. On the flip side, there is no such thing as bad publicity (well, Saville aside!) the head of FIFA taking in a game at a fairly unknown, provincial club (in European terms) can only end up "good publicity".
As for Olusanya's extension, it seems crazy because just over 6 months ago I was hoping Robinson would ship him out. Especially after his poor spell at Arbroath. However, Robinson does what Robinson does, and that is get performances out of players you don't expect. I presume he's fairly cheap in terms of wages, and I also presume that Olusanya himself won't rock the boat when he's benched, so imo this works out well for all of us. We know the skills he has, we also know the weaknesses. If used correctly and at the right time in a game, he's shown he can be a very useful option.
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The VAR discussion ended up going the way it thought, and while I have sympathy for those saying, "VAR isn't giving us the sorts of equality and accountability that we were told it would", the simple fact is that VAR is here to stay. With that in mind, do you continue to fight a Sisyphean battle or pivot to working on making it the accountability tool it really should be? I'm not here to convince anyone, just laying out the 'reality' as Eddie asked me to do.
While I would like to move on from this (the VAR thread is more than capable of holding any number of nuanced positions where this thread should be St Mirren specific) I do want to press on this being a "good thing" that the SFA admitted their error. It won't retrospectively change our points, but the only reason they felt the need to come out and admit that is because VAR is in place. Previously they had the excuse "the referee didn't get a complete look at it", whereas that deniability is no longer valid. Human error once again.
With that, I'll not try and not drag this topic on any more.
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...anyway...
Onto the up coming game, is it just me who has the fear with this.
I'd much rather Aberdeen had suffered a meek goal-less draw against the farmers.
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21 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said:
Stop trying to be smart, and live in reality.
Deary me.
If your point was valid, you wouldn't stoop to ad hominem.
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1 hour ago, pozbaird said:
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You are entitled to your opinion, even if some of that opinion simply backs up my point.
Still, no need to expand on this as I said my piece in the VAR thread and we don't need the conversation spilling over into this one.
As it is, I think you'll join me in agreeing that referees admitting it was a mistake not to use VAR "properly" is a good thing.
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This latest incident simply supports the position I've always taken with VAR. The technology is not the issue, in fact it is a benefit, it is the referees and their human fallibilities that are the direct cause of bad decisions. Removing VAR won't solve the issue of refereeing competency, and it's that we should be focusing on.
As for the Aberdeen game, I don't particularly like Aberdeen as a place, I don't particularly like their fanbase and I really don't like Warnock. All that combined with the embarrassing showing against the farmers and the "they are getting relegated"/"Warnock is out of his depth" chat, it looks like a massive banana skin. We've beaten them recently (handsomely too), in fact they have only won 1 of the last 5 meetings, so I shouldn't be worried, but I am...
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Just now, johnnydun said:
VAR was introduced to end all controversy on decisions.
However imo, it has created more.
I am going to finish here, I am sure some people would just love to read my comments...
I just wanted to highlight Johnny's post, as I think it is 100% correct.
For me VAR is a natural step, one that has been taken all across different sports, but has been handled so badly that it's understandable there is so much backlash.
Hopefully this last post shows I am not some evangelist, dismissing valid concerns, and with that I think I'm out..
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2 minutes ago, MrWorldwideJr said:
I think if one of my arguments for not getting rid of VAR was 'where does it stop, do we get rid of substitutions or thrown ins next?' I would steer clear of accusing anyone else of using logical fallacies.
Someone was using a logical fallacy, albeit they admitted as such a few posts later so no harm, no foul, that's why I mentioned it.
Asking people how many changes they would roll back when discussing rolling back the most recent change seems entirely within context and in no way qualifies as a fallacy.
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14 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said:
Fair enough ric, I think you’re entirely wrong but there was no need to get personal. For that I apologise.
Next time I’ll just roll my eyes, tut and respond to something more sensible instead.
I'm happy to discuss it, everyone knows my viewpoint by now anyway.
I fully accept that VAR has issues my point is that those could be fixed, and the result would be much less disruption but an increased level of accuracy (and to a non-OF supporter, consistency must come into that).
14 minutes ago, AJF said:Wrong
People are complaining about a new technology being used because it has set the game back. We are living through it and believe it has made the sport worse.
It has nothing to do with resistance to change or not being progressing thinkers.
You are contradicting yourself with that answer.
...my point is "wrong" to suggest that people are against something because they think it "ruins the game".
yet...
...but your point is "right" because people are complaining something was introduced as they think it "ruins the game".
When you say, "we are living through this", all I see is a massive red flag for observer bias. Do you think when substitutes were first included in the game, that those "living throught it" at the time didn't feel as connected to the issue as some here do with VAR? I would wager they were.
Edit: I probably need to add a caveat here, although it should be obvious I will be explicit in pointing out "disliking VAR" and "being a Luddite" are not mutually inclusive, with the reverse being true. You can be against technology but think VAR is fine, and equally you can pro-change yet dislike VAR.
I am not claiming that everyone here has an irrational dislike for the system, although I do believe some would never back the system even if it's perfect, somehow thinking that questionable and inconsistent decisions are somehow a throwback to the halcyon days of football.
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Will Warnock "Hibs it"?
in Scottish Premiership General Chatter
Posted · Edited by Ric
This. This exactly.
What is interesting is that compared to then, at least some Aberdeen fans accept they are in deep shit. I remember a lot of Hibees that refused to accept they were fucked until they were obviously fucked. I guess once you've seen a car crash happen you are prepared for another one.