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    World Cup 23 qualifiers

    in Womens Football

    Posted

    9 hours ago, cdhafc1874 said:

    That of course wouldn't be 'equality'

    Pitch & goals should be smaller as the women simply aren't of the same height to cover the goal in terms of the keepers & simply aren't as athletic as the men so the game looks so much slower/laboured on a full size pitch.

    Good to see the Women's National team doing (in)glorious failure just as well as the Men though...

    Not sure why you've put the word equality in inverted commas, but anyway...

    It's not that it wouldn't be 'equality', it's that it wouldn't be 'football'. It would be futsal, and futsal is fucking pish. 

    For me the issue is the way in which the team is discussed as though its some kind of social movement, as opposed to what it is - a football team that's currently functioning as less than the sum of its parts. In the closing stages yesterday the co-commentator said that "this is a huge eight minutes for the women's game in Scotland", and I understand why women of a certain age see this team as some kind of historic standard bearer, but it's an enormous mantle for these girls to bear. One wonders if its too much.

    Disappointing performance all round last night, in a game which Scotland should really have won. Terrible penalty, catastrophic defending for their goal, very little creativity, poor ball retention all over the park. Really really poor stuff.

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    Sportsound Watch

    in Scottish Premiership General Chatter

    Posted · Edited by Estragon

    25 minutes ago, VincentGuerin said:

    I've known a few footballers over the years, still know a couple. They tend to know much less about the kind of things fans take for granted.

    To a fan a game is a memory, a day out, and fans love arguing about history, results, stats etc. Players just don't care about that stuff. Genuinely the ones I know have always surprised me with things they don't remember and aren't bothered about not remembering.

    My brother-in-law couldn't tell me who he made his EFL debut against or what the score had been. I found that incredible, but he didn't really care. Another footballer I know completely forgot that he had played under a certain manager for a few months. A mate of my brother-in-law played in an FA Cup semi-final and remembered the score wrongly, just kind of shrugged when his dad corrected him.

    It's something I've noticed over the years on Sportsound, the Si Ferry Interviews, Off the Ball etc too. Ex-players and managers often just don't remember things that seem obvious to a fan. Results wrong, opponents wrong, a manager wrong, the season something happened in wrongly recalled etc.

    I really think most players and managers just mean it when they say 'onto the next game'. They just brush a lot of stuff off.

    For example, Levein's hazy memory of the Barcelona thing makes sense if you think about it. Pre-season is a busy time. He'd have been thinking tactics, bringing players in, moving players out, trying players in a certain shape or combination. He'd be busy as f**k, and while fans might see Barcelona as exciting, he'd just see pre-season preparation and the issue of playing Barcelona would be way down his priority list.

    FWIW, I met Levein last season and he seemed perfectly on the ball. I was actually surprised/relieved by how nice a guy he was. And a mate of mine was saying recently he and his pal chatted to Levein for a couple of hours in Riga, again, only positive reviews of the great man.

    Totally understand all of this, but I think the crucial difference is that the guys on Sportsound aren't just reminiscing about old times - they're employed, and presumably well paid, to bring journalistic content and professional opinion to a radio program which should be tailored to fan interest/priorities. 

    The issue with SS is that for years, it's become completely remote from its audience - and has become a boys club circular talking shop. 

    Craig Levein misremembering details on Sacked in the Morning in the context of an entertaining anecdote - absolutely no issue. Craig Levein obviously not knowing a key current issue in the SPFL when contracted to provide insight on key current issues on Sportsound, not right IMO.

     

    ETA - I've no real issue with Levein in the context of the rest of the goons on Sportsound. I'm just using him as an example because I initially quoted Paxo's post about him.

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    Sportsound Watch

    in Scottish Premiership General Chatter

    Posted

    13 hours ago, Paxo said:

    Craig Levein was good value yesterday.

    Before the Killie game, discussing Kyle Lafferty, he reckoned that Laff would go on to score double figures this season, until Richard Gordon brought up the likely 10 game ban about to be imposed on him... Levein was completely oblivious to Lafferty's indiscretion and had to ask what the ban was all about.

    Not having shown himself up as clueless enough about one of the teams he was being *paid to analyse* he followed up with the gem "the young lad Armstrong is doing well... I say young lad... but I have no idea if he's young or not".

    If anyone else showed this level of incompetence at work, surely they'd be reprimanded?

    Willie Miller had no idea who Scotland's all-time leading (male) scorer was when I was listening to the prematch en route to Scotland vs Ukraine the other week. It's like listening to a load of old boys at the bowling club. 

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    🦄 Scotland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 v 🇮🇪 Ireland 🍀 - 24th September

    in Tartan Army Ramblings

    Posted

    9 hours ago, welldaft said:

    I have a spare ticket for the South Upper Stand - Section Q1. One of my friends has called off.

    Just looking for face value - £25.  DM if interested 👍

     

    4 hours ago, Exiled Brocher said:

    I won’t make it to the Scotland game tomorrow - selling 2 tickets for the South stand lower, £50 for the pair. DM if interested

    Threesome confirmed 

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    Scotland v Ukraine (21st Sep)

    in Tartan Army Ramblings

    Posted

    1 hour ago, DC92 said:

    Amazing that this is a potential qualifying group:

    Austria

    Scotland

    Armenia

    Luxembourg

    Gibraltar

    San Marino

     

    41 minutes ago, DC92 said:

    An alternative possibility:

    Spain

    France

    Scotland

    Turkey

    Bulgaria 

    And in accordance with the time honoured tradition of these boards, it will now definitely be neither of these groups.

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    Scotland v Ukraine (21st Sep)

    in Tartan Army Ramblings

    Posted

    26 minutes ago, AJF said:

    Disproves what, exactly?

    I never said there aren't Rangers fans that don't support Scotland, I said that I've not come across any on here and we made up the largest proportion of registered Tartan Army members at the last count (that I know of).

    I've been going to Scotland matches for more than twenty years, and I don't ever recall being asked to name my club team.

    Don't get me wrong. Two or three guys I know that are regular Scotland attendees are also bluenoses, but overwhelmingly the majority of big Rangers fans I've met, particularly through work, are pretty indifferent to the national team.

    I've certainly no experience of any Rangers fan I've met supporting England, or even supporting against Scotland though. Often wonder if that's hammed up a bit by social media shenanigans. 

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    UEFA Nations League: Group B1

    in Tartan Army Ramblings

    Posted

    7 minutes ago, charger29 said:

    From what I remember of the first game between them, Ukraine had total control of possesion/territory but Armenia were getting into decent positions on the break a few times without getting enough players forward to support. A decent home crowd, in a game important for them too, and the Armenia players should be right up for it.
     

    I can't shake this feeling either y'know. Ukraine will need to up their game to win over there, and let's remember they beat Ireland I'm Yerevan and were looking threatening against us until the red card.

    It's still unlikely I know, but I wouldn't be totally shocked if by kick off at Hampden we're able to settle things on the day. 

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    What game(s) that you missed would you want to see?

    in Scottish Premiership General Chatter

    Posted

    Easy one for me. My youngest was born the day before Killie beat Arbroath to win the league in April, and they came home on the day of the game. We kept the oldest out of his bed that night and the four of us watched the game on the TV. A lovely memory obviously, but I'd still have loved to be there.

    For Scotland it's a bit trickier, the obvious answer for me is Belgrade - but in a way the feeling of the whole country watching the game on their tellies seemed to add to the romanticism of the occasion. 

    I went down to visit a pal in Newcastle for the weekend a number of years ago, with grand plans of going to the football on the Saturday. We ended up getting absolutely blootered on the Friday and deciding that a relaxed afternoon in the pub was preferable to getting into the city centre for the game. Ended up being Newcastle 4-4 Arsenal, with the home side coming back from a four goal deficit. Would have been utterly amazing. 

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