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18 hours ago, DanMan said:
So you enjoy teams shooting up and down a hill. Away and give me peace.
Good level? Darvel, hardly any rain in the last 2 weeks, but needs a pitch inspection. Glens, a mud heap at the best of times.
Glenaftons pitch has had a fair amount of investment and professional input over the past few years and is in better condition for this time of year than I've ever seen it.
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4 hours ago, Arthurlie1981 said:
Im not insinuating anything. I don't think Glens did anything different because it was us. But what I do know is that is that (and I have done this in the past) Glens could have spoken to Arthurlie and said they wanted to give it as much chance as possible and arranged an inspection for 11:30, but instead they said the pitch was fine (when it wasn't) and fans had started making the 100 mile round trip with some being almost there by the time they found out it was off.
I might not be "crying" as a poster above stated but I am certainly angry and disappointed, mainly because of the cost of travelling down on a wasted journey. Like I said I dont have any doubts that this was Glens trying to get the game on but what did they expect when a good part of the pitch was frozen solid, they deserve criticism and punishment from the league for how they handled it!
I think the fact it took the referee some time to decide whether the game should be on or not means it was far from being frozen solid. Stop exaggerating.
And if it is a 100 mile round trip from Barrhead to New Cumnock I would suggest you consult a map. Stop exaggerating.
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On 11/09/2022 at 20:35, glensmad said:
It's a massive undertaking for any club and it needs everyone to buy into it and contribute to it in terms of time and personal commitment. I would encourage any club seriously thinking about it to give it a go as the benefits massively outweigh the initial costs, but they shouldn't underestimate the personnel required and the time commitment.
And if the initial costs are say 70k or upwards for floodlights etc do the benfits still outweigh the costs, how long until that investment if it is manageable is clawed back?
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Not into medieval circuses myself.
The whole charade is an embarrassment.1 -
4 minutes ago, Billy XBoswell said:
Looks like he also sponsors Glenafton Athletic
Last season only .
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WOSFL is rapidly turning into a farce, a supposedly professional football organisation and they cannot make a decision on a team turning up with seven players, shocking. Their lack of decision making is preventing the affected clubs from pushing on with :
Pitch renovation
New season sponsorship
Signing of existing players
Signing of new players.
It really is time they got their act together and make the only logical decision available unless they are wanting a rerun of the farcical situation that played out at Glenafton.
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You would need to be very gullible to think Glencairn were not trying to gain an advantage by releasing players early.
That move failed so doon yous go kicking n screaming.
I wonder where the keeper of many clubs will play next season?
Wonder if the judgement on the Blantyre faisco will be out before DArvel's two promotion games are completed. Could draft in Sue Gray to speed things up a bit.
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10 minutes ago, Rugbyroader said:
There are rules in place to deal with things like this. If the tiles state that the game is replayed it is replayed. If those rules state that there is a victory awarded then a victory is awarded. You can’t change the rules this far into the season. If the league and member clubs think the rules should be changed then they should be changed going forward.
WOSL is a new organisation are you sure there are rules covering this scenario, if so why the delay in decision making?
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The integrity of the game at this level is at stake here.
The decision reached could have a knock on effect for many years as this is probably setting a precedent.
A correct code of conduct has to be established that prevents teams manipulating the 7 player rule.
Under no circumstances should any team have the power to get a game abandoned and thus obtaining a replay by using the 7 player rule.
The team with less that 7 players must be seen to have lost the game and a 3-0 awarded to the opposition. Glenafton in this instance.
Any other decision sets a ridiculous precedent.
Personally I think a points deduction is appropriate for Blantyre for next season.3 -
No alternative but to close it for at least a month and take it from there.
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All dependent on the supply of the vaccine and efficiency of the process, Few vacancies getting advertised for positions within the mass vaccination programme so presume the Oxford one is getting passed ok. Add in the 6 weeks / 2 months whatever for the double dosage to kick in properly. The current rate is about 250k per week UK wide getting first dosage and with Approx 25 million to receive it shows the mountain of folk to get through. Good luck to them.
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You were heavily on the side that the virus would be over by November at one time were you not due to the large chunk of the population being exposed tothe virus earlier in the year? That disn't pan out too well unfortunately.
On the contrary rather than playing out a pointless season which will be over before the players are anywhere near to gtting vaccinated and with the new more virulent strains I would close it today at lower levels help stop the spread throughout the wider more vulnerable community.1 -
On 15/09/2020 at 12:08, LongTimeLurker said:
The idea of a vaccine arriving to save the day was mainly being used in the first half of the year to give people the idea that they could somehow stay safe and would be able to avoid being exposed to the virus as that helped them from a mental health sort of angle. Anyone who understood how exponential curves work when an R0 number is well above 1 knew better, so the explanation they got for the lockdown was that the active infection numbers curve had to be flattened so ICU capacity wasn't completely overwhelmed when the first wave hit its peak. As it turned out it wasn't and the peak on fatalities was about an order of magnitude lower than originally feared.
Despite all the recent media hysteria the number of daily deaths is still a flat line close to zero, so the "second wave" is mainly a result of a lot more testing being done now on mild cases than was the case back in April. There is nothing inevitable about not having a season at WoS sort of level in other words, because the pandemic is now most likely largely over in a UK context and most people have already had their chance to play Russian roulette with it. In most cases that will be unknowingly because they were asymptomatic or had some sort of cross-immunity from earlier coronavirus infections.
The politicians still need the "second wave" to start going down now before lifting more restrictions though because a large chunk of the population doesn't understand any of that and still thinks vaccines are important in all of this because they don't realise the horse has long since galloped away for most people in terms of being exposed to the virus meaning there would be little to be gained now by bolting the stable door with a jag in the upper arm.
So how did all your theories pan out?
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3 hours ago, LongTimeLurker said:
Especially in the third world. The technology to deal with the other vaccines by shipping with dry ice is very much available in developed countries, so it's more a nuisance factor on ramping things up than anything else. I suspect they will use the expensive Pfizer vaccine on only the highest risk groups and the Oxford vaccine will do the heavy lifting on overall numbers.
Cost as well with the Ocford Astra Zenica vaccine being significantly cheaper and supposedly being made under not for profit. The UK will use up the Pfizer vaccines they have preordered but unless it shows significant advantage amongst certain people there should't be a need to go back for more.
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12 minutes ago, Arthurlie1981 said:
Firstly, don’t call me son its demeaning.
He's demeaned yourself, he's slagged off all the teams in the West that have withdrawn calling them a cabal and slagged of all their committees for not adapting to the financial situation. Some guy Burnieman eh !! Oh and it'll still be thats PnB for you.
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1 hour ago, Burnieman said:
Sorry, if clubs rely far too heavily on gate money and match income to pay players wages, then it's a recipe for disaster. It's not a sustainable model.
How did they survive the regular occurances of weeks/month of postponments in winter? or the Junior fixture favourite of a run of away games for weeks on end.
They've obviously budgeted over a season what their income will be and nothing you have said alters that overall income just temp. cash flow issues possibly if they don't have a buffer which I'm sure most of them have. If the leagues start and players are on full wages at all the clubs there will be casualties unfortunately before the season ends unless circumstances change dramatically from now, e.g. grants or vaccine or natural die out of virus.
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27 minutes ago, Burnieman said:
A pretty one-eyed view given the clubs that have withdrawn are a very small cabal that perhaps rely far too heavily on gate money.
Gate money is only a portion of the equation, perhaps 30% at most with some clubs.
Match day hospitality, match day social club income, Pie shop, half time draws being other equally if not bigger contributors combined and all that gone. How do you replace that offer cyber pie n bovrils at half time to increase their income?
Do you not think they have tried other avenues for income?
The current model is the model that works for those clubs in their communities and for many has been very succesdul I thought you would at least have had the decency to respect that before calling them a cabal and relying on gate money in what is a low grade spectator sport.0 -
1 hour ago, tartantam said:
Exactly guy has committed a good chunk of his time and life to the club and will have worked his arse off to have got everything ready for the new season and at the last minute his club have needlessly panicked and jumped ship into the abyss for nearly another year after 8 months of no competitive football.
"Needlessly panicked and jumped shipped", you are not being serious surely? Their statement quite clearly states its down to financial implications of the current restrictions, its no that difficult to get your head around. In a few weeks there would be no money for wages due to dependency on match day income. Sounds like the correct decision to me. I would be very surprised if many teams across the leagues with sizable outgoings do not come to the same conclusion down the line, probably sooner than later.
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I'll watch the league with interest as my team is out, and justifiably so under current conditions, I reckon it'll all be done n dusted for Christmas.
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If the leagus starts without supporters there will be more club casualties than if the league was mothballed for a year. By far and away the biggest part of most teams expenditure is wages.
Any teams out there currently paying wages or getting pressurised by players to pay them?0 -
I wonder if they got the go ahead from their committees to start without fans or maybe they have some arrangement with the players that they will all contribute their time and effort for free. Starting without fans and virtually zero income and expectecting to be paid is going to bring nothing but extreme financial hardship on the clubs, probably most will not be able to meet their obligations very quickly and then what?
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4 hours ago, LongTimeLurker said:
My point was mainly that people shouldn't take what someone is describing in terms of science and make assumptions about their politics. Science should be evidence based and not driven by what you want to happen.
Governments acted earlier this year on the assumption that 100% of the population had no immune system response and the fatality rate for people who became infected would be about 2%.
Under that scenario letting herd immunity unfold naturally was a complete non-starter for most people (Boris Johnson was one of the minority on that). The near complete lack of a response from Jan-Mar in the UK and other western countries was irresponsible in the extreme given that backdrop.
Since then it now looks more like 0.2% on fatality rate (closer to bad flu year territory, basically) and herd immunity kicking in after only 20% get infected because of cross-immunity rather than the 70% expected if everybody had no immune response.
There were some early indications from cruise ships that was probably going to be the case, but I doubt that information guided government policy as the panic over ventilators strongly points to them still expecting the worst case scenario back in late March and early April.
The scientific evidence is now pointing strongly towards the pandemic being largely over in western Europe and lifting restrictions and getting the economy (and by extension but not as importantly WoS) going being the sensible course of action, but the optics of pushing ahead with that while the new cases curve is heading in the wrong direction as efficient testing ramps up are not easy for the politicians.
It will only take a few more weeks for this to be resolved one way or the other, because deaths will have either risen exponentially then peaked in an April to June sort of way or not by that point. The local lockdown measures that are being imposed appear to be about being seen to do something without really reversing most of what has already been opened up again.
If the powers that be thought we were in for a huge problem the new restrictions would be much more stringent. We are unlucky that in a Scottish context that the reopening hadn't included lower level football crowds yet unlike in England, but hang in there a few more weeks and good things should start happening by the looks of things.
Where is the scientific information that it is over in Western Europe? Cases are escalating in many countries look at France 15k plus per day. Today the chief scientific adviser warned of a potential 50k cases per day in the UK with 200 plus deaths daily a month down the line. ( Thats 0.4% mortalty). Where is the evidence you talk about of this immunity I would be interested to read it as the biggest study shows 7% with antibodies a long way off herd immunity.
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32 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:
It's not that simple because tests of the type you are referring to only deal with one of several possible immune system responses. The most important evidence that the pandemic is largely over is that deaths and ICU admissions are still largely flatlining despite significantly relaxed and often routinely ignored restrictions.
The tests seemed pretty detailed but time will tell, hopefully you are correct. but personally I don't think for one minute UK is anywhere near here immunity look at how the cases are rising throughout Europe why would we be any different from the likes of France? Unfortunately the weaker frailer members of society will bear the brunt and the mortality stats will rise .
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1 hour ago, LongTimeLurker said:
Despite all the recent media hysteria the number of daily deaths is still a flat line close to zero, so the "second wave" is mainly a result of a lot more testing being done now on mild cases than was the case back in April. There is nothing inevitable about not having a season at WoS sort of level in other words, because the pandemic is now most likely largely over in a UK context and most people have already had their chance to play Russian roulette with it. In most cases that will be unknowingly because they were asymptomatic or had some sort of cross-immunity from earlier coronavirus infections.
The politicians still need the "second wave" to start going down now before lifting more restrictions though because a large chunk of the population doesn't understand any of that and still thinks vaccines are important in all of this because they don't realise the horse has long since galloped away for most people in terms of being exposed to the virus meaning there would be little to be gained now by bolting the stable door with a jag in the upper arm.
The largest study of over 100,000 people a couple o f month back showed on average 7% of the population are carrying antibodies, where is the evidence that the pandemic is over and a second wave could not happen?
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