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I think it shows how poor the game was that we are talking about the refs performance, rather than how either team played. Both teams were dire and I pity anyone having to watch that game again. It was horrible. Neither team played well and the only reason we can be happy with a point is that we spent almost half the game with 10 men.
I thought Hickey was lucky to stay on the pitch when he got the yellow in the first half, how anyone could think that Christoph Berra could catch up to Scott Robinson after the rugby tackle is a joke. There was another incident in the second half where Hickey scythed down Jacobs (I think) and should have gotten a yellow for that but I'm probably being biased and have yellow tinted specs.
As for the main incident, it definitely should have been a penalty, another rugby tackle on Robinson by keeper this and the ref giving a red card for pulling out of an attempted overhead kick is laughable. Is this the next thing to be outlawed, the overhead kick, sheesh.
Both teams were bad and there was only really two clear cut chances, one was a save from Sarkic and the other a clearance off the line from Michael Smith. I will join the Hearts fans in wishing that Levein gets the sack. Hearts used to be an exciting team to watch with attacking fullbacks who supported the wingers, putting in dangerous crosses. Not this dross, where you pump high ball after high ball into Ikpeazu, hoping he gets a free kick outside the box. If I was a Hearts fan, I'd be worried that my team did nothing for 15-20 mins against 10 men. In fact, I would be worried whilst that clown is still in charge.
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On 27/10/2019 at 12:07, Afro said:
Home team desperately needing a win against a team with one of the worst away records in the league.
Only one outcome - draw.
I don't think our away form is that bad.
We spanked Ross County.
A penalty miss at the death prevented us getting all 3 points against St Johnstone.
We lost 3-1 at Ibrox after going 1-0 up and it took a red card and a disallowed goal before Rangers eventually won.
We narrowly lost to an on form Killie, with Bartley hitting the bar.
We lost 2-1 to Hamilton, which is probably the only away game we deserved to lose.
We've been in all 5 games and have been unlucky not to pick up more than 4 points. If we play like we've done for most of the season, I think we'll do fine. I know I wouldn't want to be a Hibs player facing a Livi team that works its socks off for the whole game, not giving an inch.
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The return of the entertaining hipsters.
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This is what The Rangers are charging us at the weekend.
- Adult – £29
- Concession – £22 (over 65s & 16/17 year olds)
- Under 16s – £11
- Wheelchair disabled – Adult £16, concession £12 & £7 juniors with carer free of charge
- Ambulant disabled supporters pay the age appropriate price. Carer free of charge
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26 minutes ago, Liviguy said:
This season is gonna be a struggle I think
I'm not so sure. Hamilton have lost a few players and are no better, St Mirren are a shambles and Ross County are no better than us when we went up.. I think if we can get off to another good start, we could be ok.
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One thing with Hoppy is that you'll have the fittest squad in the Championship. Hoppy's teams are all about hard work, winning the ball back and being fitter than the opposition.
What an amazing appointment for Morton. I genuinely think you boys will do well next year.
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So Livi fans what would you prefer to see. Dundee being relegated this weekend and us celebrating them going down at the Spaghettihad or them surviving for another week only for us to crush them a week on Saturday and send them down. I'm torn.
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This reminds me of us (Livingston) four seasons ago. Poor team, Mark Burchill as manager, we went down via the playoffs with Hopkin in charge after he took over just before Christmas. Everyone was calling for his head, the defence was shocking, it was all doom and gloom. The board kept Hopkin on, he built his own team and we ended up in the Premiership. Don't lose hope Falkirk fans, relegation may be blessing in disguise for you, if it happens.
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Maybe with Halkett in their defence, we'll only beat them 4-0 next time.
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2 minutes ago, Afro said:
Some folk on Twitter saying Holt may be in danger of the sack soon. Is this a commonly held view or am I missing something?
Granted, we’ve been relatively poor since Christmas but it certainly hasn’t been for lack of effort in the vast majority games of this poor run we’re on. Loaning Hamilton out was a slightly bizarre call at the time and it looks worse now, but you can’t really blame the manager for all of our strikers being either injured or horrifically out of form.
I don’t imagine Hopkin being at the game on Saturday will have done Holt any favours amongst the loonies, and those thinking Hopkin would come back are sorely deluded.I'd be shocked if Holt got sacked. We were expected to finish last. We're sitting in 9th, 16 points ahead of relegation play off with 10 games to go. A wee push and a bit of luck and we could get top 6. If you asked anyone at the start of the season if they'd take the position we're in just now, they'd bite your hand off for it. I think common sense is needed here. Holt won't be sacked, he's done too good a job for that.
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No invite here either. I believe I was relegated
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Stan Moffat (the clubs solicitor in this case) has said he can get her a settlement but if the tribunal finds against the club that they won't be able to afford to pay the sums claimed. It's actually very common for a settlement offer to be made in such cases however it's normally at the mediation stage before ACAS issue the certificate which allows the ET1 to be issued.
Turning up in Edinburgh (it's an open hearing by the way) with the defence of "we can't afford financially to lose" isn't really going to cut the mustard.
The club has issued a response that states that the club is on a sound business footing. Seems to me that the Day Late Record is making pish up again. Note that the Day Late Record article has a picture of Neil Rankine and "Livingston FC Shareholder" then they mention further down the article
"Questioning Lisa-Marie, Moffat told her she had been highly regarded by former majority shareholder Neil Rankine"
So Day Late Record, what is he? a current or former shareholder?
There is lots more sensationalist rubbish in this article.The Record sensationalises that Livi could go bust after Lisa's lawyer quotes
"It doesn’t look good for Livingston and it is not even clear if they can afford to lose the tribunal. If Lisa-Marie wins and the club don’t pay up, she might go for a winding-up order.â€
It all goes back to Nixon v Rankine and Lisa seems to be another person caught in the crossfire. To say that Livi would go bust due to £7200 is the Tosh expected from the Record coincidentally at the same time that Rangers are trying to get Matthew Knox on the cheap, not that I'm saying that the Record has any agenda here....
Personally, I wish that both Rankine and Nixon would just go away and never return, they are a bad smell that never seems to go away and if Livingston as a club can ever grow again, we need to distance ourselves from people like this.
I would like to see the SFA show some bottle here and actually ban Nixon, Rankine and Massone from all football activities.
Statement below (which also includes another dig at Nixon who owes the club £85k and was mentioned in the article by the Record as credible witness (which we all know he isn't, (neither is Rankine who was also mentioned))) :-
The recent Employment Tribunal case covered sensationally in certain Scottish newspapers is yet another legacy issue which Club has had to deal with in the past 11 months.
The club is operating on a sound business footing and the focus at the moment is on retaining our Championship status. The Operating Committee and Directors have worked hard to concentrate media attention on football matters, rather than the off field issues which were covered so publically and so damagingly last year.
For this reason we have not highlighted the ongoing situation with a former Director. However we can confirm that a court award of £85,000 was made against Gerard Keith Nixon following his failed legal action against Livingston Football Club.
This money has so far not been paid.
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According to the press report they have offered her a settlement?
Which shows the accuracy of the press report, how could they offer a settlement if they reportedly have no money to pay it?
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Feel livi will get by Stranraer,but Ayr and Peterhead are a different proposition, Our record at Somerset against Ayr is poor and Peterhead have ran the Pars relatively close this season,they're a good side.
We did beat Peterhead 4-0 at Peterhead in the cup earlier in the season.
I'm not worried.
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I'll be drinking Flat Coke watching the opening game as a tribute to the Patriots.
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I think I'm ok with my team this year.
I should have enough depth to cover my starters.
Division 1 - Run Sankey Run
QB - Aaron Rodgers
RB - Marshawn Lynch, Alfred Morris, Darrin Sproles, Bishop Sankey, Chris Johnson,
WR - Jeremy Maclin, Mike Wallace, Kendall Wright, Eddie Royal, Cordarelle Patterson
TE - Delanie Walker, Heath Miller,
K - Mason Crosby
D/ST - Kansas City Chiefs.
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Who's Mike mampuya playing for nowadays?
I'd read somewhere that he is playing for Broxburn Athletic.
I may be wrong though
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You're not a "growing club" at all. You were "growing" more than a decade ago based on money you didn't have - no Livingston board has managed to deliver any growth in the fanbase or revenue without having to spend money they don't have to do so. Removing the debt changes nothing as you'll pile it back on again.
I never said we were a growing club. We are a declining club at the moment, our fanbase has declined steadily over the last few years.
What I was saying was that if the new owner can keep us off the front pages and get us back financially, then he can have a chance to grow the club and a growing club would be a good thing for the area.
If the new owner turns out to be a "Walter Mitty", then I think this would be our death knell and the loyal few that are still there would leave (probably including myself)
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The Greeks would probably be more financially prudent than some of Livi's owners over the last 20 years.
We'd probably be in a better state if the Greeks were running us instead of some of the shady owners we've had in the past.
Panathinaiklivi FC
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You've made some pretty well structured points in this thread over the last 24 hours but I'll stay clear of the Cowdenbeath tit-for-tat. The part I've emboldened however...wasn't it the case that an agreement had been reached and now the new owner(s) are reneging on that agreement to make more funds available for strengthening of the playing squad. Regardless of the new owners making McDougall two new offers for repayment I still think he's well within his rights to be upset about it, especially if both alternative offers simply aren't suitable to him or his family, even more so as the funds are being made public knowledge as available, yet the club are deciding to use them (his money) for a different purpose (team strengthening).
The original agreement was between McDougall and Livingston FC of which he was the chairman of at the time and was in charge of the overall running of the club (its stated that the agreement was made about 6 months ago with Rankine).
The question to Mr McDougall would be why he failed to pay himself the money as the Chairman of Livingston FC. Surely you would look after your own repaynment first?
It seems strange that he's complaining about missed payments from the club which he was running at the time the missed payments were made.
There is communication there and I hope it is resolved quickly and as club we can get back to football rather than all this off-the-field nonsense.
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Sorry to be off topic but are both sets of supporters being housed in the main stand for the challenge/league cup v clyde
PS btw we are debt free
I would expect so, nothing has been announced though.
It did take a CVA and years of debt, before you were debt free and congrats on that.
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Quite apart from the fact that the legal definition of an Insolvency Event has no relevance here (what matters is the definition of one under SPFL rules which are actually more stringent), which of those six clauses do you think was triggered by a creditor petitioning the court for a liquidation order and being told to come back when they had exhausted debt collection routes?
If you need the clue, the answer is, "none of them".
b) The club suspended the payment of the debt.
c) The club was in court with a judge who considering the winding up order and was discussing how to seize the players as assets as the other liabilities outweighed the assets that Cowdenbeath had.
The SPFL rules mention a club under an insolvency event but don't define an insolvency event in their rules.
Its by the by anyway as it was 1987. The point I'm making is that Cowdenbeath are not a squeaky clean club and have had their issues in the past with debt. Its great to see that they are out of it now. We've got the same issues and our new owner has stated that "The Club believes that a strong playing squad which brings success on the field will, in turn, generate financial success off the field. This combination should ensure that there is a cash reserve to repay creditors; a position the Club has not been in for many years."
The previous owners consist of an Irishman who admitted that he spent more than he could earn and wanted out, he sold his share to the mad Italian for a pound who was crazier than half the patients at a mental hospital and seemed to think that most rules didn't apply to him to a betting club owner who had more fingers in pies than Simple Simon.
We've been unlucky with owners and we now have a local fan owning the club who wants to remove the debt and have money put aside for creditors. If he can do this, then a growing club in West Lothian without the shenanigans is a good thing for the area. If he turns out to be another Mad Italian or dodgy betting shop owner then it could be the death knell for us and our already dwindling support.
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I don't think it would. The link says they applied for permission to put the club into liquidation. That petition wasn't granted, they were ordered to exhaust normal commercial avenues for debt collection first. As such I don't see any insolvency event here under the SPFL's definition of one, though it's not 100% clear. It would be ridiculous to levy fines and points deductions any time a random creditor made an application for liquidation no matter how spurious.
Legal definition of an Insolvency Event is
Insolvency Event means in relation to a person:
(a) the person is or becomes unable to pay its debts as and when they fall due or is otherwise presumed to be insolvent under the insolvency laws applying to that person;
(b) the person suspends or threatens to suspend payment of its debts generally;
© other than in respect of a solvent winding-up, the calling of a meeting to consider a resolution to wind up the person (other than where the resolution is frivolous or cannot reasonably be considered to be likely to lead to the actual winding up of the person) or the making of an application or the making of any order, or the passing of any resolution, for the winding up, liquidation or bankruptcy of the person other than where the application or order (as the case may be) is set aside within 14 days;
(d) the appointment of a provisional liquidator, liquidator, receiver or a receiver and manager or other insolvency official to the person or to the whole or a substantial part of the property or assets of the person;
(e) the appointment of an administrator to the person; or
(f) the entry by a person into any compromise or arrangement with creditors.
By that definition, an insolvency event would have occurred in 1987.
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Feel free to provide evidence of this liquidation.
It's completely different to my reasoning (and also a false statement but keep deflecting). New financial irregularities are being unearthed at Livi constantly it seems and none of the stream of owners seem to be learning from it. It's a merry-go-round. Other clubs like Hearts etc. that have had financial difficulties look to have learned from their mistakes. The only clubs that even come close to Livi's constant financial mess are Rangers and Dundee.
How many chances do you think Livi should be allowed?
I said that a company (namely Glenrothes Construction and Engineering Company) had applied to the courts to put Cowdenbeath into liquidation after an unpaid debt of £9785.
The event occurred in 1987 which Cowdenbeath got away with any punishment from the SFA. The clubs accounts were frozen until the petition was resolved.
It turns out that there was a dispute on the quality of the work but under the current rules, that would be considered an insolvency event which Cowdenbeath would have gotten a fine and a points deduction.
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Hibs vs Livi
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Hamilton was arguably our worst away performance of the season, I didn't think we deserved to win it.
To be honest, after seeing almost every team this season, I don't think we can fear anyone. Even the Old Firm are there for the taking as we've shown. A wee bit of luck and we'd have a lot more points than we have just now.