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    When will indyref2 happen?

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    3 minutes ago, git-intae-thum said:

    Exactly...the key thing to take from all this is that as far as English legal opinion is concerned there has never been a "union" in as much as what Scottish unionists believe.

    It has always been and continues to be a great big fallacy.

    twa aixperts, fir a' tae ken. baith havering.

     

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    When will indyref2 happen?

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    1 minute ago, Antlion said:

    Which makes one wonder how “Henry VIII” powers can be wielded by a parliament we’re constantly told is not an English parliament but rather a UK one. Old Henry was a rotting carcass by the time the UK was even a possibility. The absolutely-not-the-English-parliament also seemed to sit unchanged and unaltered the day following the treaty of union’s passage, whereas the Scottish Parliament ceased to be entirely, with nary a tradition, custom, or privilege carried into the parliament formerly known as English (and still called English by everyone for hundreds of years). 

    you sound like an expert

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    When will indyref2 happen?

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    1 minute ago, git-intae-thum said:

    Pretty sure there was a bit of legal debate around all this prior to the 2014 referendum.

    I would have to do a bit of digging to find the paper but.....

    In general the (English) legal consensus seemed to to be that in 1707 the question as to whether the nation state of England ceased to exist was unresolved, however the 1707 act most certainly did cause the extinction of the nation state of Scotland.

    The britnat legal argument would therefore seem to hold that Scotland was consumed into either a greater England or new enlarged nation.....but in any case ended in 1707.

    Mibbes explains a bit better some of the opinions and assumptions that infuriate Scots so much.

     

    some Scots. 

    Minority of people in Scotland.

     

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    When will indyref2 happen?

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    4 minutes ago, Antlion said:

    An incorporation of nations into one single nation: an amalgamation, or unification. The treaty itself explicitly stated that the two kingdoms should be “united forever after into one kingdom, Great Britain”. Throughout the two centuries following the treaty, though, that nation was still frequently referred to as England. Scots had achieved English status - albeit they weren’t in the first tier of that hallowed status. Still, it was more than the Irish got when they were wrapped in the strong arms of their own union.

    I still here people,  people from USA mostly, say England when they mean UK. 

     

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    The Official Former President Trump thread

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    4 minutes ago, Fullerene said:

    You could be on to something here.

    Just spent four days in Washington DC.  Surprising how easy it was to gain access to important places.
    Guided tour of the Capital building including the rotunda just below the giant dome that everybody knows about.
    US politicians in Washington have to wander amongst the tourists.  The speaker of the house has an office just off the rotunda.

    It is very easy to criticise America for where they get it wrong but in some instances they are better than us.
    The goverment is "of the people and for the people" and as such the American people who collectively are the owners of these buildings cannot be easily denied access to these buildings.
    (Obviously it is not entirely like that but that is the intention).

    By comparison, we have no goverment.  It is Her Majesty's Government and we are not entitled to anything.

    On the day, I was able to enter the building where Cavanaugh was.  I went to same floor and could have entered the gallery except that it was fully crowded (a case of 1 out and then 1 in).

    I can't imagine anything like that happening in the UK.

    that is a bit much

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    Oor Nicola Sturgeon thread.

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    23 hours ago, ICTJohnboy said:

    That interview with Theresa May broadcast by BBC Scotland tonight in which she slags off Nicola  for not giving up on seeking an indy2 should be shown in Scotland every day. It might help the electorate make up their minds.

    Yes. There ought to be non-stop, 24 hour, loops of it, replacing  all BBC programmes.

    With national anthems and flags. 

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    Oor Nicola Sturgeon thread.

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    Nicola Sturgeon is extraordinarily media managed. 

    Part of that has been Nicola Sturgeon spending a lot of media opportunities alongside children.

    Personally, I hate it. I reckon Nicola is frightened of adults. I prefer when she can't escape Scottish people and she gets heckled.

    But from her point of view, she doesn't want English people to see what happens when Scottish people tell her what they think of her and her party and policies. 

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    Brexit slowly becoming a Farce.

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    11 minutes ago, jupe1407 said:

    Is it not about time this daft spamming alcoholic was emptied?

    why? 

    emptied for what.

    (I just remembered you Scottish nationalists are hard-line fascists that eradicate all opinions that disagree with the voice of your unicorn god)

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    Brexit slowly becoming a Farce.

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    1 minute ago, Bandstand said:

     

    True,promises made in referenda which may be generational should especially be kept

    Promises such as more devolved power yet giving less after the fact

    Promises like continued membership of the EU yet being taken out of it  

     

    Broken promises such as those make the previous referendum an ongoing issue

    you are a truth warrior

    every human alive, and every human in the future will recognise

    > @Bandstand = TRUTH WARRIOR! 

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    Brexit slowly becoming a Farce.

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    4 minutes ago, eez-eh said:

    After every general election, the opposition don’t just shut up for 5 years and let the government rail-road through everything they want without a single objection.

    Same goes that after a referendum the losers don’t just go “oh well that’s that lost, I’ll just abandon everything I believe in”.

    Plenty of Brexit voters go on about how “remoaners” are being undemocratic; completely oblivious to the irony of that accusation given they seem to think the losing side should just shut up and never campaign for anything ever again.

    referendums, are very different from general elections. 

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    Brexit slowly becoming a Farce.

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    17 minutes ago, DrewDon said:

    Thing is, having 52% (or more) of the overall turnout voting Leave but not technically 'winning' would have handed a massive grievance on a plate to the right-wing populists; it would have been so easy for them then to present the entire process as evidence of yet another establishment stitch-up against the wishes of 'ordinary people'. Indeed, it could even have resulted in even more polarising and sinister rhetoric and tendencies emerging than some of what we have witnessed recently. 

    imagine, losers whining on and on for years, pretending they have a genuine case for being a whining bunch of losers

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    Brexit slowly becoming a Farce.

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    1 hour ago, WhiteRoseKillie said:
    1 hour ago, Granny Danger said:
    Kate Hoey sharing a platform with Farage today.  I hope the despicable c**t dies tonight.
     

    Can't decide which of the two you're referring to. Would it be greedy to hope for both?

    can we also shove Nicola Sturgeon and Alex Salmond and Wings under the same bus?

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