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You'll find it was the taxpayers, BoS , HMRC that paid for them .. Rangers was just the bus ,..
...to be entirely accurate they didn't pay for the bus either - a travel company from County Down is in the list of creditors and have yet to be paid for bus hire services prior to a game with Linfield. RFC even cheat their own pals. Gruesome club.
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did you see the post by barcabhoy on rangerstaxcase.com, which you could dismiss as speculation til rangerstaxcase himself gave it the stamp of approval
barcabhoy said
Barcabhoy says:
26/05/2012 at 2:19 am
Adam doesn't bother me in the slightest. He has absolutely no influence on the outcome of this farce. He can therefore put his view into play any time he likes as far as i'm concerned
What may be of interest to him, and others, is that the very worst of the offenses committed by Rangers have yet to be properly put into the public domain. In fact they haven't been put there at all.
They will be and when they are, they will be beyond belief. In fact I had a problem believing it myself initially. At the point of disclosure I very much look forward to reading Adam's efforts to put forward the alternative view.It's not my story so i can't control the disclosure timescale, but when it comes out it will be nuclear
Just to make this clear, what has still to come out is worse than illegally registering players, is worse than using VAT and PAYE as cash-flow, is worse than deliberately not paying fellow clubs, is worse than deliberately abusing the EBT system
its much worse……
My advice to those who know what they have done……don't walk away…….run away as fast as you can,preferably to somewhere without an extradition treaty with the UK……because you know what you have done, and you know that its coming out.
and rangerstaxcase himself said
rangerstaxcase says:
26/05/2012 at 11:20 am
For those of you excited by Barcabhoy's post, I know what he is talking about, and his post is correct.
<B> There is a lot of leg in this story yet. </B>
a lot of chatter that its connected with
Celtic Underground @celticrumours
Gavin Masterton - 18 years later I suppose you'd have been entitled to think you'd got away with it.
and in the original there was a cheeky hyper-link on the highlighted 'legs' line which led to the three-legged motif of the famous tax haven that is - The Isle of Man?
What are they hinting at?
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I don't understand people saying this is the worst admin ever? It's the BEST admin ever. True colours showing left, right and centre, a long drawn out death of an institution (sic) we all hate and the 'end game' is coming, where there's more than a fair chance that Rangers as we know it will be no more. Even if they somehow survive, they'll never get away from this taint and they'll take years to get back to being in any way competitive. By that time, the glory hunters will be gone, and there's every chance they'll not come back. It's also exposed the press as being totally ignorant to the fans' true views and also that the already flawed system in Scottish football NEEDS a complete overhaul, something which we might be able to push through with only one of the ugly sisters unable to veto any changes in our game.
I fucking love this administration, and this thread. And twitter. And the numerous blogs I read almost daily on the subject. I'd say long may it continue, but the curtain seems to be drawing on this saga.
wholehearteldy agree - a near perfect administration long may it wheeze painfully until the last desperate breath is taken - and then bring on the new.
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Arvekadze scored it ... What a goal!!! Anyway i am sure that is the reason...A Rangers player was paid legally through a tax avoidance loop hole that was declared in the audited accounts
Er not quite No 8. A tax avoidance loophole that has been fundamentally challenged by HMRC as being inappropriately managed, flagarantly misued and featuring concealed payments to high worth individuals, which should have formed part of their taxable player contracts, which then should have been accurately and wholly registered with the SFA under FIFA guidelines and with much great levels of commitmet to transparency, and no shredding machine. Oh and the tax wasn't paid in full but the bill is now with RF(IA).
Otherwise a not bad goal with a hint that the shot was slightly sclaffed. Good header-on by Nerlinger. You can almost see the letter of tax-comfort from Sir David Murray jutting out of his shorts.
Re enter via 3rd Division thanks.
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"Mes couilles et va te faire foutre". "Ville" means "town" not "vile", tosspot.
.....er yes I think I knew that Hector it was part of the joke - hence the over-elaborate smiley. wankeur
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Another forum member asked why Rangers (IA) had a bike from Saint-Etienne and whether it had been sold along with the Arseanal shares. I presume it will be sold soon along with other goods and chattels.
This is where it was made
http://manufrance.wordpress.com/1-manufacture-d%E2%80%99armes-et-cycles-de-saint-etienne/
The company was established at Villebouef, Saint-Etienne, on 10th November 1885, by directors Mimard and Blachon for the manufacture of bicycles under the Hirondelle trade mark. In 1892 four models were offered: the 125 for artisans and workmen, etc and selling at Fr185, the 130 for postmen, bailiffs, road inspectors and messengers at Fr235, the 135 roadster for doctors and commercial travellers at Fr275, and the Superbe at Fr360. All of these were bought-in from the Gautheir Brothers* contrary to the claim in the catalogue to have been manufactured on the premises, and sold at a profit.
For those who are not strong on French translations the town of Villebouef means vile-beef as opposed to succulent lamb
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I thought you could not own a Scottish club if you owned an English Club?
Brooks MIileson owned Gretna
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This is purely to appease the Bears today and save St Johnstone's football stadium today. Why would you buy a club when there is still a possibility it could be expelled from Scottish football?
Oh dear the blades are out now:
http://boards.footymad.net/forum.php?tno=463&fid=221&sty=2&act=1&mid=2114784149
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This extract from the SFA tribunal made me smile (sorry about spacing)
.......That it was unclear to Mr Andrew Dickson, Head of Football Administration, what was the role of Mr Gordon Smith, Director of Football and Executive Director. who was appointed by Mr Craig Whyte on 18 June 2011. No job description or remit for Mr Gordon Smith was ever provided to Mr Andrew Dickson. Mr Andrew Dickson remained entirely unclear as to Mr Gordon Smith’s role or function or in respect of any matter in which he may have been involved in his position..
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Douglas Fraser @BBCDouglsFraser
Ticketus close to lodging legal claim against Craig Whyte, calling in £27m in personal guarantees for last year's #Rangers financing deal
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Interesting one that...probably not a huge surprise but would surely make it unlikely Whyte is agreeing to hand over his shares on the cheap until he knows the men with bats won't be knocking on his door.
http://twitter.com/#!/BBCDouglsFraser/status/200232011472977923
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Well that's me convinced this time.
Good.
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I could continue to write words on the internet to back up any argument I put forward too. It's very easy without being able to back them up, which you haven't done.
If the scenario you describe actually took place then I take it both Glasgow and Tayside police are investigating these incidents? Why have they not been made public? Why wait until I ask a simple question before you leap in with such stories?
I couldn't care which club you support and have little time for people that hid behind Scotland, Other or a junior club when evidently they are not a supporter of said club.
I was made aware by someone who works at your club. I don't know if they contacted the police. I hope so.
I support Scotland but your right that's not really relevant.
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Individuals who were anonymous and did not leave their names?
Exactly those kind. Indviduals who are anonymous since they did not leave their names. But they made threats against a young man who is on the Board of the SPL. I think people should stick up for him rather than allow intimidation to win out. The meeting that everyone says nothing happend at discussed his predicamnet and confirmed that going forward all clubs will decide, so that the person threatened is not singled out in future.
This is the sceond time people trying to make honest decsions on behalf of Scottish football have been threatened. What exactly is slavering about that.
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You still haven't answered when Steve Brown was directly threatened and what the reprisals would be.
I don't understand what you are going on about 'sticking up' for someone. Please explain.
Your chairman was threatened directly and indirectly by individuals who were anonymous and did not leave their names. As a consequence he argued to the SPL that he had no desire to carry the weight of taking on such a key decision with others he proposed that any decsions taken that might in time harm Rangers be taken by all clubs and not just the board. That was what they agreed at the meeting and rightly so.
Sticking up: a young man was threatened by morons and had genuine reason to be upset by that. He is an office bearer of St Johnstone your club and I think what happend to him is atrocious and unacceptable and will happily 'stick up' for him as its the decent thing to do, despite being a fan of a club that was once beaten 7-2 on New Year's day, thus leading to your log-in name.
Its morally quite simple Steven Brown should never have been threatened and all football fans irrespective of whether they are SJFC or DFC should support his right to take decisions without intimidation.
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When was Steve Brown directly threatened? What was going to happen to him or Saints?
.....on several ocassions directed to the club you support and via the offices of the SPL. What has he ever done to deserve that and why am I sticking up for him and not you?
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I may have missed it in all the smoke and mirrors of the voting numbers but why is any decision being moved from the Board to the clubs?
The obvious thought is that the Board would vote against Rangers so it's being taken away from them. This isn't the case though as we had agreed the Board would let them back in no probs. So why move the decision?
Obviously nothing is done in this stitch up without it leading towards the blue bigots remaining in the SPL.
The simple answer is that the Chairman of the club you support has been threatened directly and indirectly by fans or represntatives of another more powerful club.
Rather than be seen as one of a small group of 'reps' that takes a tough decision against Rangers he feels it should be all clubs that take that decision. Its called collective reponsibility and I agree with him.
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The key is that the mess has to be sorted out soon, so that the clubs have time not to renew contracts etc. If this is not sorted by the end of the season, you would think they have to be tough and boot them out so that the teams can get to budgeting for next season.
Lets see what happens, i am not holding my breath for anything spectacular today.
The key to this mess is the behaviour of Rangers FC and any urgency is brought about by their desperation to newco into the SPL whilst the other bit - including their founding company and its toxic history is liquidated. It can drag on forever as far as my club is concerned. No urgency round these parts. Go to Spoons for a curry guys.
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Chris Brookmyre used an excellent analogy on Off The Ball last Saturday when he likened Rangers, and by inference Celtic, to an abusive partner who resorts to the 'I may be a b*****d but you can't live without me' line of dogma.
Yes he came out with a couple of crackers - particularly liked Rangers being a whore that had caught VD after 15 years of promiscuous shagging and tried to blame a toilet seat
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Chris Brookmyre used an excellent analogy on Off The Ball last Saturday when he likened Rangers, and by inference Celtic, to an abusive partner who resorts to the 'I may be a b*****d but you can't live without me' line of dogma.
Yes he came out with a couple of crackers - particularly liked Rangers being a whore that had caught VD after 15 years of promiscuous shagging and tried to blame a toilet seast
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It's 2012 and we have those new fangled computer machine things. How many minutes or hours would it take for someone to come up with sets of fixtures for the following SPL scenarios -
-with Rangers
-without Rangers, with Dundee
-without Rangers, with Falkirk
They're not exactly involved in a project to build a new large hadron collider. It's some football fixtures with a very limited number of options.
I'm sure Doncaster's right hand mad, I. Reddy, has next season all set up already.
Except a New Year derby for your team against Dundee (remember 7-2) is worth a lot more than what is likely to be a 'Tayside' derby between St Johnstone and er... St Mirren. Ross County will surely get ITC, Dundee gets Dundee Utd,
Hearts v Hibs, Celtic get whose nearest maybe St Mirren, Motherwell v Killie...okay I admit its crap and flawed already. So it may not complex but its not simple either.
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A big issue you're missing with Dundee potentially coming up is that they couldn't just subsitute Dundee fixtures for what would have been Rangers fixtures, as Dundee and Dundee Utd. can't play at home on the same day. Whether they fixed that easily with making one a Saturday and one a Sunday is another matter.
There's also the matter of fitting any of this around the fact that at the moment Rangers and Celtic can't play at home on the same day, and County and Caley can't play at home on the same weekend. Add to that trying to keep the derby dates right, and next season's fixture list will be chaos to plan.
...and Tayside police are reluctant to sanction Friday night games, and New Year derbies 'tend' to involve 'local' clubs playing each other - Dundee are local to Dundee Utd and St Johstone, not local to say Celtic, so the clock is ticking and its not just down replacing one team's name with another....
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Interesting to see McCoist starting to use the examples of Plymouth and Crystal Palace to reinforce the 'NewCos are normal' line. The ground that Doncaster laid so well for him on Monday night. Transparent
Yes no mention that both those clubs completed CVAs though and that comparsions with Rangers are way of (moon) beam. What I really liked was his line about "I've beeen doing some homework..." Er no. You have copied someone else's homework Ally. Trouble is it's wrong. Moral is don't cheat in exams.
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A RFC fan at work said to my question, "would you go watch Killie then", he's from Stewarton, " I'd rather play in the 3rd Division".
Hope he gets his wishes - maybe Killie can loan out a couple of young guys to them toughen them up for the big league. RFC(IA) NEWCO - Diddy Team
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I thought Brookmyre put some good points across and well pretty impartial. As was Kevin Kyle. Quite sad that the light-hearted programme is the only one on Radio Scotland that can put some rational arguments forward in this whole saga. It's been said many times on here before but the media in this country are embarrassingly bad.
Yes 'Off the Ball' about the only Radio Show that regularly nails it - and it supposed to be the piss-take show. Hammered Rangers into the ground today as the rest of the pundits sucked up. MInd you what the connection:
Tam Cowan - Motherwell
Stuart Cosgrove - St Johnstone
Chris Broookmyre - St Mirren
maybe its perspective
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Big Rangers Administration/Liquidation Thread - All chat here!
in Celtic v Rangers, Rangers v Celtic
Posted · Edited by eightmile
Why is there age discrimination? Rangers are entirely at liberty to employ whoever they wish conditional on them paying the a wage and deducting tax at source (that's the hard bit) .
So you can hire strategists, programme sellers, administrators, media stfaff, EBT spoksesperson - of any age, race creed or colour. You can even sign players on inflated wages and let them sit in the stand - you can sign Stanley Mathews old knickers if you want. The law is clear sign who the hell you want. What you cannot do is register new players during an embargo brought about by your club's own dispicable actions and the systematic evasion of tax. Scottish football far from being discriminatory has no restraint on age - many clubs will be buying players in the forthcoming weeks. You won't because you can't register them because of your own pathetic actions as a club.
Aberdeen's manager will be their oldest ever, ther will be veterans and young guns, wee guys and big guys - the SPL will be very diverse in age. It will be land rich in age-diversity. So face up to the actions of RFC and stop blaming everyone else.
The bitter irony of a Rangers fan arguing about the legality and unfairness of 'discriminatory signing polices' is not lost on the vast majority of this forum.
Found out - time to take the heat.