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So you can't give an explanation as to why Rangers should be treated differently from any other member club of UEFA that has went through the same process and has had their continuity recognised by UEFA.
Arent Airdrie a member of UEFA?
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Dead indeed. That's why you feel it's important to post about us.
no he was posting about them. rangers. they are deed. you arent deed. you are sevco.
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Google it - don't be lazy.
The BBC were quick enough to investigate Rangers yet they refuse to investigate the evidence of clear conflicts of interest between key personnel openly involved with both Celtic and Footballing authorities.
Relegate Celtic to the 3rd Division and allow the rest of Scottish Football to move forward without either pulling the strings
omg you are right! i didnt realise that people couldnt be involved with a football club and the football authorities!
i thought all people involved with the SFA and SPL couldnt have been involved with a club before!
like campbell ogilvie, and gordon smith and lex gold and fraser wishart, and scotland managers like walter smith and alex mcleish
oh wait....
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Hopefully Black gets a career ending injury. Fud
he doesnt need an injury to end his career, i think signing up for a 3rd division club is surely an admittance his career is in its twighlight
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now that they have their conditional membership, surely this thread, just from a point of accuracy, should be moved to the division 3 forum
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Miraculously the rules just changed to allow two trialists (?Black?Beattie?) in round one of the Ramsdens Cup!
bet they are upset they cant play savage, windass or indeed gazza. though i cant decide whether gazza has been around wearing a bomber brown mask or a sally mccoist mask
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Lenny tries to salt his momey away in a tax free scam and FAILS
dont believe the MSM.....sally and walter werent any different but that doesnt tend to appear in the sunday mail....
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I think he's vying with your Neil for that 'unprofessional' title.
Lenny tries but he's a mere amateur compared to sally
lenny complains about lying referees, sally stirs up threats against disciplinary tribunals
lenny points his finger angrily, sally accuses the whole world of being against his poor innocent team
lenny doesnt think referees should give bad decisions against his team, sally doesnt think football associations should punish his club for cheating for 10 years
lenny phones his misses and is angry down the phone, sally drags his wife through a car park by her hair
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Ally McCoist has no shame. When is someone going to give the guy some sound advice? Every comment he makes is cringeworthy. Never have I seen the reputation of one sportsman rise and and instantly disappear in the manner of McCoist's, even Tiger couldn't match him.
i think he's brilliant.
the shittest SPL manager since John Barnes. so far he's:
turned a 12 point lead into a 10 point deficit
managed to go out of 4 cup competitions having got through one round beating Arbroath....
signed Ortiz, Mcckay and Celik
act more unprofessionally than any manager in SPL history 'we demand to know who they are....they arent wholly responsible for our demise but...'
i hope the rffffffffffff use their cash to give him a 10 year contract coz even if he stays a decade, his biggest success will still be patsy kensit and his only 'win' will have been the fight with his wife in the car park
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Buying Rangers season tickets in the current circumstances is, like the lottery, a tax on the stupid.
In this case you can see it being an incredibly lucrative tax.
well i hope its not like a 'tax'
coz that'd mean they'd just all go up and get free season tickets and refuse to pay them, or tell the fat girl called tiny that they are just borrowing the tickets so dont need to pay for them
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Jesus Christ thats what i'd expect white rose kilmarnock to come out with, only with some lowlife insults thrown in. We have already been punished for what happened during Whytes era and as for the EBT's we have been found guilty of nothing yet.
The clubs in question each said that they could survive without Rangers, this is not the case as you state they will lose a fortune. Ally got it right the hypocrisy is rank rotten.
so what should the other clubs have done? slipped you debt free into the SPL just because you have a big fan base? not punished you just because you, along with us, are the two big teams? does that mean you are immune to the sport's laws?
and the lawyers say you have a case to answer over the dual contracts. since the actual issue is quite simple (whilst the pouring through exactly how much you did it is long and complicated) its fair to assume, since this is a message board not a court of law, that theres a good chance youve done wrong. it is really as simple as - if you played a player who was receiving contractual payments not lodged with the SFA, then the game has to be forfeited.
of course im happy to wait for the decision of an independent tribunal, but its sevco who are fighting to have the enquiry dropped. why is that? if you think you are innocent you'd want to prove it surely.
tell me, what should have happened? what punishments should you have got and what league should you be in and what should happen with the dual contracts investigation?
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For the most Allys saying the same thing that most fans on here are saying about Doncaster and Regan, whats the problem?
Aslo this quote sums it up for me ""And having said they don't want us - they do want a bigger share of the TV money that our presence will bring to the SFL and its clubs. Never mind sporting integrity - where is the moral integrity there"
Spot on Ally, spot on.
i keep reading shite like this .
what exactly is wrong with the other scottish clubs wanting rangers to be sufficiently punished for their many crimes, whilst not wanting to lose a fortune in income due to losses that arent their fault but are directly the fault of rangers?
how is that incompatible with sporting integrity?
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Does anyone know if any other team made a formal application to join the SFL this season?
no one was given the chance, as a vote was taken to admit rangers without asking anyone else for an application.
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Does anyone know if any other team made a formal application to join the SFL this season?
no one was given the chance, as a vote was taken to admit rangers without asking anyone else for an application.
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R.e. this fresh uncertainty over Rangers actually starting the season: what's SFL going to do if they ultimately don't make it? Their 14-day clock started ticking on Friday and runs-out on Friday 27th July. That's the day before the Ramsdens Cup R1 and 15 days before the League starts... what do they do?
Hold a hastily-arranged application process for non-leaguers, with those sides having to quit their own leagues after they've started?
Run with 9 clubs, costing clubs 2 home games income?
Invite Celtic B to play hors concours?
Worth remembering - they wouldn't be applying for a license.
i was thinking about that today, we've talked about celtic B playing in the third division before....only obstical i can see is the new under 20s league starting.
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This seems to easiest route.
But even if they get the transfer ban dropped they're still open to the investigated for the EBTs, have to pay the original fine, and pay the other clubs back.
but the transfer ban cant be dropped, it can only be replaced by something from the menu...
lets think
ejection from the scottish cup - cant be that coz it hasnt started yet so again SFA would be not following rules
fine- cant be as they already have the maximum fine
so that only leaves
suspension from SFA
expulsion from SFA
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You've just pointed to the vast elephant standing in the corner! Who's to say SKY won't walk away altogether? No OF games and no prospect of Sevco in the top tier for 3 years. SKY have been very very quiet with the only noises coming from their pishy attempts at reporting this story on SSN. Do SKY do walking away? Nows the time to find out.
um... common sense...
sky have been quiet coz cockwomble and ronald reagan have been trying to do their bidding. however the rebels won.
reasons why sky wont pull out........
1. scottish football is cheap tv to them. a whole season for the cost of blackpool v wigan
2. there are what, a million subscribers in scotland (feel free to correct this) , all paying an average of 50 quid a month for tv, internet etc..... thats 600 million a year. saving 18 million to risk huge amounts of that going to bt internet, or god forbid, freesat....bonkers
3. given that sky will be paying for scottish football, it doesnt make sense to pay too little.
4. already sky pay a low amount compared to other nationalities.
5. if they dont BT will.
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They still dont get it.England dont want you.
Mike Bee: "Rangers should use the opportunity to join the English Football League."
i happen to know thats not true, i hear Berwick cant wait to play them coz they think they mighty win....
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Irish Phil claims he brought him in with promises of the scoop of all times. Imo it was Cosgrove.
i genuinely havent seen phil claim that at any stage.
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a reasonable post for a rangers fan, and especially for anyone at 0109 in the morning...but...
I got a bank charge the other day, was my fault you know. See I completely messed up my budget but now I guess I'll have to pay the fine and just get on with it. Shame I'm not a football club then I could just blame Rangers...
well at least you are paying it and not firstly trying to scam so you dont pay bank charges, then bankrupting yourself to avoid them, then demanding the bank better give you a credit card and overdraft coz your a big spender and businesses will lose out if you arent back to your spending ways.
I know what you're thinking, here's another bear with a chip on his shoulder. Well it's not true. Rangers messed up monumentally, they stiffed the tax man (strange how many denizens of parkhead suddenly care about the queens bank balance) they stiffed other football clubs they stiffed small businesses and they eventually went down in a blaze of arrogance one news of the world phone hacker was said to have described as "a bit dis-tasteful".
intelligent and fair, you clearly arent a poster on FF. this for me has been one thing thats missing from the whole thing and it all could have turned on its head, if rangers fans instead of being angry at everyone, were embarrassed and wanting to put right the wrongs. MccOist and jardine didnt help here either, i know ally is under huge off the field pressures but his behaviour put anything lenny, levein or any other manager in the shade. his 'we demand names' speech now seems will go unpunished, it was a disgrace and i think a lot of fans of other teams that was a turning point.
Since February everybody's had their pound of flesh and oh boy what a party it's been. In the beginning it was fair and the criticism which flowed was justified but fuelled by lashings of pent up anger / jealously / self-righteousness all and sundry have had their say, one hundred years of hatred and envy has poured forth. No critisim is too much, no ancient slight or percived controversial loss has been left un-avenged and truly the mob has spoken. Rangers must be punished. Then again. then again. then again. Repeat until bored.
Sporting integrity is the new black (or should I say Japanese tour grey...). ah, maybe you are a follow follower after all. we never said we had a tour, just that we were considering one. the league bent over backwards as much as it could without falling over to help you in europe, but you wanted to be helped in the league too, even if it meant clubs hanging around waiting for you to be ready to play them even if they were on holiday mode by then. if you hadnt delayed a game to help you in europe and if you paid for maintenance like every other club so your pipes worked, you wouldnt have had a fixture propblem. That fantastic little phrase © Lawwell '08 has made a comeback in a major way. Rangers we are told must not be allowed to darken the SPL's hallowed turf / sand again;well technically you wont coz you are deed but sevco might. sorry i know that is cheap i couldnt resist. they must be cast asunder and taught a lesson. And do you know what? I agree; we knew the rules because we bloody helped make them. We were part of the cabal and ran it arrogantly for our own means for far too long forgetting that one day even the mighty might just need a friend. We built a castle on sand and when it collapsed we should pay the price, no bailout for "the establishment".
But now the pygmies have spoken. Every no mark supporters group has had their say and "people power" has rescued the Scottish game, for after all what is the SPL without its integrity? Well pretty much the same as it is now. It's a flawed broken product were teams can play 18, 19 or 20 games home or away each season. Where Falkirk can't get in with a new ground being built but Gretna can swan in and ground share a swimming pool. Where special dispensation cannot be given to clubs to solve a fixture crisis but can Gretna can play Celtic at Almond vale. Where chairman speak of punishing Rangers for their fiscal failures while presiding over £33 million of debt.
um if you mean hearts, their 33 million debt is mainly to their owner, not the taxman.
But with those big nasty bigots from Govan the spl is going to thrive. Blue chip sponsors will rush to buy into the new super competitive league were any one of half a dozen teams can come second to Celtic! Sky will no doubt cancel super Sunday to broadcast Dundee vs. Ross County from a packed Dens park as families have picnics outside the new sectarian free grounds of the spl. Everybody will hold hands and sing when hopefully in a few years Rangers will gain a place in this footballing Utopia. Maybe that day will coincide with Rooney signing on at Aberdeen citing "pure financial greed" as the motivation for his move to the best league in the world?
no one is saying it will be. the worst thing is this whole delay makes it seem like the other clubs had a choice, they didnt, the right thing had to be done. scottish football will suffer greatly for this, and its not petrie's fault, or turnbull hutton, its not even majorly regan and cockwomble's fault, its david murrays. full stop. david murray fucked scottish football when he was there, in so many ways, starting a spending spree celtic couldnt keep up with (as we paid tax), taking away long term planning, taking out aberdeen, dundee utd as competitors, doing it all illegally and immorally, and his legacy is to f**k up the game completely.
I'd at least have respect for any fans group who simply said "yeah we just want to stick it to the Rangers" instead of hiding behind clichéd phrases. But what of this sporting integrity? Surely it should be followed through to the last and most Rangers fans agree. Apparently we only want to go to the third division to see others in financial trouble, it's awfully good when people tell you what you are thinking isn't it? and yet you are doing it back, saying all fans of other clubs want to stick it to rangers. imho the fans who want to stick it to rangers are a relative minority, although they do exist. most fans just want whats right, and if they hate rangers its because of the clubs cheating and for its disgraceful behaviour since being caught.
just as there are rangers fans, decent fans, sounds like you are one of them, i know others in real life, who want to go to div 3 because its right and its your best chance of recovering your reputation as well as you club. but on follow follow for example there are many who hope scottish football implodes in the meantime, stupidly not realising that if scottish football goes, therell be nothing to return to.
For me and many others that is not the case, we want to go to the third division to start again, to build anew. We want to build bridges and if not forget the past then at least be given a chance to put it behind us. We have been punished more severely than others already (just how many points did Motherwell get docked?), but for some no punishment is enough. The twitching corpse must be flogged until it bleeds no more.if, as we all suspect, and there is a fair amount of evidence in the public domain, no club in scottish football, and very few in european football can compare in terms of wrongdoing. fiddling taxes to put an unfairly superior team on the park, for over ten years ! writing off 140 million of debt, most to the tax man! even in your dying days, spending 20 million under smith when you had unpayable debts and a tax bill impending, signing players under mccoist you knew you would never pay for, avoiding PAYE when you could just sell 2 players to be above water...
We do not want any parachute into the first division and it is being forced upon us by the self-same chairmen who proclaimed that sporting integrity has no price. Well apparently it does and its roughly £1 million a year plus play offs. But again this isn't the case, it's all being done to help the Rangers, the hibs fans know this for a fact. Perhaps one of them should ask their chairman why he's the main architect of the plan.
Scottish football is in a dire state but nobody really seems to care, its all Rangers fault anyway. not all of it is, and i admit some of it is as much celtics as it is rangers, but the great majority of it is rangers to be honest. who killed off the reserve league? oh yes that was rangers.The reformation of the game should not be tacked onto the demise and rehabilitation of rangers. It is an issue in its own right and a far more important issue at that. There will hopefully always be Rangers, a St Mirren, Kilmarnock and Dundee united too. Scotland's needs football, healthy competitive football because its woven into the very fabric of our society.
Right now the baws burst but instead of fixing the puncture people are hell bent on picking the seam...murray shouldnt have pumped it too much and he certainly shouldnt have knicked the pump.
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not really, under thne current terms of vote annan are effectively voting them into SFL 1
how so?
"We feel Rangers should be in Division Three and our stance hasn't changed."
by that id say they'll vote for the resolutions accepting sevco as an associate member and accepting the resignation of dundee or dunfermline, and vote against the middle resolution.
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But there is no route for SFL Chairmen to do that. That option is not on the table to be voted upon.
They are being asked to accept Sevco into the fold, then remit it to the Board to decide if sufficient sweeteners have been offered to bump Sevco to Division 1. And the thing is, the package of sweeteners is being finalised as we speak. As soon as Friday's meeting closes with the remit to the Board, they can announce the bump from 3rd to 1st there and then.
surely if they vote yes to the first motion and no to the 2nd and yes to the third, that would mean dundee or dunfermline going up, sevco a member without a space, and the rules say everyone shuffles up so they would be in the 3rd division.
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I dont recall any club stating they need Rangers to survive so Celtic's statement is without doubt the weakest of any.
Then again, we diddies already knew what Celtic's real plan was, which is why it was taken out of your hands. The Killie chairman might be an embarrassment to us but at least he has some kind of honesty and isn't trying to pull the wool over his fans eyes.
what sort of honesty was it? he abstained.....i can understand the logic of voting for, or voting against, but abstaining basically was 'sorry rangers dont hate me, i love you but my fans wont let me vote for you'
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we will let fifa decide that . if we are punished in even any 1 way you are acknowledging our history. if we are a so called New-Club no sanctions and division 3.
the mere fact everyone is trying to punish us shows we are the same club
but none of the fans of any team want 'punishments' we just want you to go to division 3 and try to win your first ever bit of silverware, whilst the SPL strips off 5 titles off the club you used to support, you know the one that died the other week.
everyone is happy with that except cockwomble
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Big Rangers Administration/Liquidation Thread - All chat here!
in Celtic v Rangers, Rangers v Celtic
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wouldnt that mean that next season someone won promotion and stayed in the bottom tier? what is it with rangers fans (and employees) that they think their club (s) work to different rules to the rest?