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6 minutes ago, Robert James said:
According to their Facebook page, Glenrothes Strollers AFC have submitted an application to join the East of Scotland League for next season.
Current members of the Kingdom of Fife (Amateur) League, the Strollers own their own ground at Overstenton Park, and their club photos show that they have an excellent pavilion built in 2016. The Strollers are an "SFA Legacy Club", with boy and girl youth teams, and the club's adult team should meet the EoS entry criteria.
The amateur team folded around 6 weeks ago. It’s a new team that the strollers are trying to form to play in eosl.
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Dundonald v Crossgates 187
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Just had email from sfa 2 mins ago. No detail on reschedule. Meeting cancelled due to members of the board attending a funeral.
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15 minutes ago, G4Mac said:
No way a meeting changed..... How terrible. Personally it changes little for clubs ready for licence/in the process of getting ready- there is another in june..... and for all we know there may be separate plans in place due to the changes in meeting days. Certainly in my business meetings change all the time, for many reasons.
For me a don’t have any issue with meeting being postponed it happens and the reason behind this postponement is certainly valid.
However, no communication on this development from SFA nor detail on what happens next is worrying. Also, if claimed that the meeting was moved to Monday and held before the licence board then that’s absurd on the basis it was known that licence acceptance was going to be referred back to sfa board.
I personally think no derogation will be granted at the sfa board as the spfl clubs are heavily represented.
Delays in reconvening a meeting may suit the agenda here. For us we will press ahead and all going well have floodlights installed before the June meeting. Hopefully that will go ahead on time.
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12 minutes ago, Burnie_man said:
So it's either brought forward or is cancelled or it goes ahead tomorrow
It certainly doesn’t go ahead tomorrow
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14 minutes ago, locheeboy said:
The SFA board meeting scheduled for Thursday actually went ahead on Monday past. I would ask your reps at EoS why they did not inform the clubs.
Unfortunately, this is true. There will be no meeting tomorrow it has been cancelled I believe earlier this week.
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30 minutes ago, Kilbowie Benches said:
Passing the buck.
A think so, personally if you see the make up of the sfa board I will be amazed if any derogation is granted. A definite turkeys voting for Christmas scenario. I will gladly be proved wrong though.
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No decisions today for clubs who have passed all requirements except floodlights. Licensing Committee have passed the derogation to SFA board to make decision on Thursday on the status of clubs who met the criteria at time of application in 2018 but now don’t purely based upon the new floodlight criteria.
We will wait and see
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41 minutes ago, Burnie_man said:
Just to keep this discussion separate from any other thread as I’m sure this is going to be a hot topic in the coming days and weeks. EoS clubs who are currently going through the licence process – although not all will assessed at todays Licence Committee meeting – are;
Blackburn Utd (F)
Bonnyrigg Rose
Broxburn Ath (F)
Camelon
Dalkeith Thistle (F)
Dunipace (F)
Easthouses Lily (F)
Edinburgh Utd
Haddington Ath
Hill of Beath (F)
Jeanfield Swifts
Musselburgh Ath
Newtongrange Star (F)
Penicuik Ath (F)
St.Andrews Utd
Tranent
Tynecastle (F)
After todays LC meeting, if approved, the next step will be for the SFA Board to ratify SFA membership (on Thursday). Once that is done, the application goes back to the LC to issue the Licence. Last I heard, the LC are not making a decision on derogation for floodlights, they are saying the SFA Board need to do this.
I believe the next LC meeting is 5th June, which presumably is the last chance for clubs to be licenced in time for next seasons Scottish Cup.
Canny believe you have missed the bluebell off the list.
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41 minutes ago, Burnie_man said:
One of the disappointing things on this forum is when people feel the need to bring personality into it, I only expect it from the trolls. You've chosen to have a dig at several posters, inc Ginaro who is one of the best contributors on this subject on here, yet no comment on the contributions from the other side. Personally I post based on what I know, I don't consider anything I post to have any impact on the EoS as it's all either fact or on balance a good chance of being fact IMO, and people are free to challenge it. If that's considered arrogance I wont apologise for that.
On the specific points you raise;
1) I understand that the SFA do want the SJFA to oversee discipline etc (ridiculous IMO) but I'm not sure how close or far apart they are. The EoS, LL, SoS will want it all handled in exactly the same way as the SFA handle it for consistency. I guess they need to be happy as well with what is going to happen.
2) What SFA directive? I think it's fair to say that the SFA Board are a little worried about a whole load of Junior clubs coming over the hill wanting membership, hence embargo. I think they had no objections to the Juniors being involved in the Pyramid but know little of the granular detail or the politics involved, leaving that to PWG to handle. I doubt the SFA Board know too much about the HL/LL line or the Lower Pyramid Play-Off rules. Maxwell jumped the gun with his infamous email on behalf of the Professional Game Board, I don't think he fully grasped the issues, he thought it was a quick fix.
3) Agree, the whole thing needs to be much more open. Not necessarily in the public domain, but at least amongst the clubs. Once again clubs - particularly in the ERJFA - will be left to try and make sense of it all before deciding to stick or twist. They have 7 weeks.
As far as Licencing is concerned, this is the make or break week. It provides an insight into how the SFA operate where nobody can agree on who makes the decision on derogation for floodlights. With that in mind and going back to point 2, I don't think the SFA Board care too much about the current goings on at PWG, all they want to know is how many more members might this give us.
First of all a wasn’t intending to have a dig at anyone just saying it as a see it on here.
We’ve all got opinions and I respect them although don’t agree with them at times. People no doubt don’t agree with mine either. A won’t lose any sleep over it and wouldn’t expect them to lose any over it either. To reply:-
(1) Am no troll. A think most people will know who I am a don’t hide behind user names. General Manager at the Bluebell that’s me. Although views on here are mine not necessarily the clubs.
(2) To quote yourself “no comment from the contributions from the other side”. A don’t see an us and them type of situation a see it as non league football. The us and them attitude from both sides doesn’t help anybody and contributes significantly to where we are.
I agree with all your other points to be honest, this is a big week licence wise and as a club with currently no floodlights the support from David Baxter has been excellent and supportive.
The directive has came from Ian Maxwell and the SFA board. Definatley done without full knowledge of the consequences and as has been said on here before shows him and his board up for lack of knowledge of the non league game but none the less they did give a directive to the PWG to allow the juniors in at tier 6 and it hasn’t been revoked.
What I was alluding to when a said the PWG now need to report back to SFA to say we cannot comply with directive for reasons previously given is fair to me. The question is then will the SFA accept they didn’t have all the facts to make that decision and look at a different model or will they try and bull doze through in some way their original directive. Their track record means it could go either way for me.
As for the SFA getting hounded by Lego eating Al from Camelon if the juniors get in at tier 6 am sure that won’t sway any decision but you never know. That’s a light hearted statement al don’t take offence neebs. Am away to play ma banjo in fife
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To me this is where we are, there is a directive from the sfa board that the juniors are in at tier 6 and this has been passed to the PWG to implement.
Current Issues
(1) SFA don’t have the manpower to administer the discipline procedures for all teams when the juniors come across and the disciplinary department have advised this. This will be rectified by allowing the juniors who come in at tier 6 to continue to administer there own discipline procedures once aligned and agreed with SFA. I believe this is almost agreed.
(2) Under the SFA directive the PWG have failed to implement structure allowing juniors in at tier 6 because of issues of the 2 leagues in the east and the rejection by the eosl to accept the east juniors at this tier level. This is unlikely to be resolved so will in all likeliness be referred back to SFA board stating why they have failed to comply with an sfa board directive. From what happens then is anyone’s guess.
(3) I think the minutes of the PWG should be openly available to all clubs. Transparency is what is required and maybe doing this would get all associations together and help agree a way forward for the benefit of non league football in Scotland.
Due to point 2 a would be amazed if things are all agreed in time for next season unless the SFA board find a way to implement but that requires strong leadership which the organisation severely lacks. The make up of the representation on the PWG board we’re never going to agree. The SFA should have foreseen this. As said before I have no issues with the east juniors coming in at tier 6 as long as there is some kind of amalgamation of the leagues also agreed in the near future under one organisational structure.
I also feel that some posters on here burnieman, al fae camelon and ginaro don’t help the eosl on these forums although I understand they speak for themselves not there clubs same as myself. A lot of there posts come across as arrogance (senior club ??) towards the juniors now which I struggle to understand.
Personally, I am enjoying our first season in the eosl with the bluebell but haven’t forgot our roots. Just hope sooner or later all is resolved and we can all be under one structured pyramid under one organisation as the current situation is of no benefit whatsoever to non league football in Scotland.
Oh and don’t get me started on the licensing and the self preservation society of sfa league clubs. I will let you know how a feel about that after next Tuesday.
Its Saturday enjoy the football
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8 minutes ago, AlanCamelonfan said:
Why because they had to put people out of cups for not doing proper checks. Other than that and it being transitional with some poorer teams what is wrong with it
Nothing to do with my club getting put out of cup. We should have checked in more detail but the process is not clear when your player who is suspended was listed under another club.
The ersjfa discipline covered by Syd Mcalpine was far more clearer so there’s one example any new structure could learn from. Here’s a few more:-
(1) The 3/4 season fixture list produced by the eosl is excellent and is a major plus.
(2) In eosl cups the home club keeping all gate income for cup ties doesn’t work for us. Means away clubs pay for travel and receive no return and to make matters even worse are then asked to pay for an assistant ref before we go home. A lot of away draws has real financial implication.
(3) Too many Diddy cups in the eosl but am sure this will be addressed when there’s more league games to play next season.
(4) Support and assistance with grants for clubs wishing to obtain entry level licensing excellent with eosl non existent with sjfa
(5) Kick off times in eosl fixture list not apportionate to our weather and daylight hours. Clubs having to constantly request changes of kick off times every week during winter months.
(6) The ability for clubs to work towards sfa entry level licensing in eosl is for me the major plus. Upgrading facilities and standards can only be good for clubs. Just hope the self interest of current league clubs doesn’t continue to drive the changes in licensing criteria as they fear clubs getting a slice of the pie.
I could go on but it’s a learning period for all and if the good and the bad was addressed by all what an organisation we would have.
Football wise the east super league of last season was far higher than what we currently play in and probably will be again next season.
Just my thoughts Alan, take the crayons out your mouth and think before you speak.
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9 hours ago, G4Mac said:
Surely if you want to join a new set up you can't go to the current membership and tell them what you will and will not do? You can't say you want a specific entry point for everyone in your set up, to the detriment of those already fully fledged members of the new association you are trying to access, can you? Then put forward that this new set up, that you are trying to get into, should take on your cup competition instead of one of its already fully functioning cup competitions........ And say it would be a nice way to aid the transition?
Unless I am completely mad, which may infact be possible tbh, isn't this like arriving late at a party and demanding the dj plays only your requested songs..... Then getting upset because he doesn't want to do that?
I want the juniors in, particularly in the West as its an open goal, the east and north as everyone expects is more difficult. However, I feel the sjfa and their supporters are going to have to accept that there may be no place for the sjfa banner and cup competition going forward. I'm not sure why, but there are some that believe the sjfa hold all the aces and are in pole position for a powerplay.... I'd hasten to add that the LL is filled with formerly eosfl clubs and of these clubs all are closely affiliated with the eosfl. The sosl will most likely side with their friends in the eosfl and LL...... The HL, not overly sure how that will go...... But given the closely formed relationships between the eosfl and LL I'd be very surprised if anyone in the LL agreed to have the sjfa function at the same level as the eosfl.
And the SFA will side with the SJFA. All playground stuff for me. Personally a don’t have any issues with the ersjfa coming in at tier 6 next season as long as there’s a plan to bring us all together under one structure the following season. Would lead to another transitional season as this is but for the longer term good would need to be accepted.
The whole episode from associations to clubs reeks of self preservation. The sensible approach to combine all under one banner needs strong leadership by the SFA and there will be casualties as there always is with any reorganisation in any business.
Its football we’re talking about here and the focus must be on having a single structure and clear pathway for all clubs to find there level. Let’s create a new association and disband the eosl and sjfa.
There are good examples of best practice from both the eosl and the sjfa that should be used in any new organisation. Despite what other people say in this chat it isn’t all rosey in the eosl as it wasn’t in the ersjfa either.
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165 bluebell v sauchie
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Dundonald v Boness 288
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No complaints yesterday we were very poor, well beaten and 1-0 flattered us. Thought Boness were very well organised and hard working.
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Dundonald v dunipace 108
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Bluebell v BU 296
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1 minute ago, Fife Journeyman said:
We know it's a transition season this year and all clubs will take a hit but next year there should be at least 10 of last year's Super League in new EOS top league under a professional structure so should work out ok
Yip totally agree with that, just hope we finish top 5 or it really would be a financial disaster for us the following season.
We knew this season our gate income would be down to be fair and have budgeted accordingly. On the flip side our hospitality income is up due to the fixture list mainly.
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Last season home to Boness was over 300
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We regularly had well over 200 at superleague games last season, Bonnyrigg haws Penicuik Lithgae Boness of the top of ma head.
Most other games were late 100s early 200 when playing lochee camelon kennoway etc
As said it’s not an even benchmark at the moment and can only be really checked end of season. The teams we have played in the league so far with the exception of xgates have brought zero supporters.
Were also seeing our own floating supporters missing games and for the first time since av been at the bluebell we are really struggling to make our away bus travel viable due to the lack of our own supporters filling the bus for certain games. Our away support at Eyemouth last week out with committee was 11. Which is by far the worst it’s ever been.
Be interesting to see our crowd tomorrow at home to Boness
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15 minutes ago, superbigal said:
Burnieman I fear you are in an argument with Larry you wont win. To be fair to him he has been totally consistent on how this would pan out.
The only change from him is I dont believe he wants to knock me out or ban me from Thomson park any longer
On reflection I do not really have much sympathy for the Juniors who really were just sheep in joining the EOS at the last minute.
That was purely self preservation at work and the gamble was possibly wrong.
I tar Linlithgow, St Andrews, Dundonald and Boness as 4 who I think actually changed their minds.
In all honesty Al if today’s revelations had came out 6 months ago we wouldn’t as a club moved to the eosl and am sure a lot of other superleague teams of last season wouldn’t have moved either.
As you say self preservation possibly but in reality as a club we want to play at the highest level we can against the Linlithgows, Boness uniteds, hill of beaths, Nitten stars, Penicuiks, Bonnyrigg roses, camelon etc and when they moved that greatly changed our thinking.
We were happy in the superleague we worked hard to get there and were fully enjoying it. Add Lochee, Broughty and Carnoustie to the above teams the standard was excellent.
However, we have moved and to a certain extent made our bed. There are some excellent benefits of being in the eos as an organisation and it is well run but for us there’s also things that as an ersjfa club benefitted us also.
A mixture of both again as a personal choice would be ideal for us.
In all honesty in this current season of change our gate income is down by around 40% as opposed to the same number of home games in last seasons superleague but this can only really be bench marked come the end of season.
What today’s revelation does mean though is that any junior club whether staying within the juniors or who moved with us with any ambition to play lowland league football in the next few years that pathway just become a lot lot harder with one up one down and additional play offs across 4 different tier 6 leagues.
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37 minutes ago, AlanCamelonfan said:
There's no way ersjfa will be in pyramid
38 minutes ago, AlanCamelonfan said:There's no way ersjfa will be in pyramid
Oh dear, please keep up and read the full thread. You will get something rite eventually
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For me the reference to tayside league is terminology by the eosl nobody else.
Its clear from the chief execs email that tier 6 for the juniors is the top leagues as current ie east and west super league.
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The amateur team folded a believe because they were struggling for numbers. A lot of there players and committee were leaving end of season anyway to join another amateur team who were starting up for next season again Strathmiglo who also folded earlier in season.
No link as far as I am aware with Glenrothes Juniors and the strollers apart from a think the Glens new youth set up was taking a couple of older teams from strollers.
Strollers announcing this new adult team strikes me as an attempt to keep there older teams.