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3 hours ago, 1320Lichtie said:
Please elaborate?
We have just got relegated there with players who signed 2 year deals last year
If a player wants a move it matters not a jot the length of a contract they are 'tied in to'. Your club is not going to hold on to a disgruntled / troublemaker type who wants away.
At this level contracts almost always benefit the player, not the club. Managers contract situation similar.
Doesn't work the other way ie. £1800 a week S.Allan, sure Arbroath wanted shot of him but he could hold on for the lucrative duration.
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2 hours ago, 1320Lichtie said:
They’re both already on 2 year deals though so they don’t really have any choice?
How naive
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19 hours ago, Kev8122 said:
I think he would get a lot more games at Station Park however it'll probably come down to wages and length of contract and this is why I can't see Forfar being a serious contender for his signature.
As a player who scores goals for fun you would assume he would want to join a team that play the odd bout of attacking football.
That rules out Forfar (at the moment)
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7 minutes ago, RossBFaeDundee said:
Glad you lads stayed safe, and for your sakes I hope Ray is offski. I'm aware both largely came from off the bench, but how did Ryan Mohammed and Finlay Allan get on? Cheers
Never really seen enough of Mohammed but I thought F.Allan definitely had something about him.
Difficult to judge in a McKinnon team.
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Oh and btw no more use of this thread title, I can't stop seeing it as Excrement FC.
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Mr McKinnon was 'delighted' with the attitude at training this week and was 'impressed' by many facets of our performance last week, so that's OK then.
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Mega enthusiasm and interest for this one it seems, better get a thread started.
What can we hope for today? At least conditions are good
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3 minutes ago, ecto said:
Have it from a very reliable source
If that's the case then it's a bit of good business from the Arbroath committee.
Probably learned from their mistake with Scott Allan
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4 minutes ago, ecto said:
If he is only due 2 months severance, maybe we should start a crowdfunder
What makes you think he would only be due 2 months?
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11 back in the box defending a corner really boils my p*ss.
We still struggle and lose goals from corners
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3 hours ago, 1320Lichtie said:
The question I would like answered - is why did we move away from what we done best? Signing decent solid part time pros in Scotland and building up a team and squad with them, moving to signing short term full time players instead.
Pre this season (where I think we have people who fit the category above - Lyon / Steele / Slater / Murray / McIntosh) the only players we’ve still got signed at the club from Dicks 2022/2023 season are Jacobs and Ryan Dow (who signed in January 2023) - I think this is a big part of why we have struggled and why next season looks so daunting.
I mean even Shanks as an example - he was signed for 2 year - now I don’t think Shanks was good enough to play in the Championship which is fair enough and understandable, but if we had loaned him out or kept him on the books, maybe used him as an impact sub he may have come on a lot as a player and ended up being a character and a part of the squad. Shanks would still be our player right now and would have been a good player to have going into a League 1 season.
Like I said though he was probably not up to the level so maybe getting rid of him altogether was correct and fair…. however - the ‘Full Time’ players we have signed in attacking positions are absolutely not any better than what he was - we have had -
Kareem Isiaka
Daniel Fosu
Deri Corfe
Paul Komolafe
Turan
Kyle Robinson
El Mhanni
All come in - take a wage and f**k off.
None of these players were ever going to be here for longer than 6 months / 1 year and while Shanks had his faults he was a better player than all of the above and we would have had the benefit of him becoming part of the group and forming bonds and a connection with the group of players here.
Now that is just an example - but what I am trying to say is that we signed all of these ‘Full Time’ guys who we knew at the time would have only been here for a year tops instead of part time players in this country who could have potentially been a part of the club for 2/3/4… 10 years like others have. You obviously can’t hit with every one of these guys but there might have been 2 or 3 that become a part of the core. It all kind of ripped the arse out of any identity and togetherness we had.
For me the only proper successes have been Bird and Adarkwa maybe has a case too however he was injured so often.
Every single one of these other guys are and were no better than PT players in Scotland who could’ve become a McKenna or a Goldie. From what I hear too some of these players have been coming in and getting better wages than the likes of McKenna / Goldie which is shite and is bound to have rubbed some up the wrong way. I mean if their only source of income was Arbroath FC then they must’ve been getting at a minimum £20k odd for a year or £10k odd for 6 months which is naturally just going to be more than what PT players would be getting as they do not have FT jobs and salaries like the PT players.
I do feel like this is one of the main reasons we are in a mess right now and I don’t mean relegated because we could’ve and would’ve ended up easily been relegated with just signing PT players too. I mean a mess as in having a squad of 6/7 currently signed up for next season and only a couple of them who have been here for more than a season.
The list of players who were ‘Full Time’ and who we would’ve known had no long term future at the club when we signed them is as follows
Daniel Fosu
Kareem Isiaka
Deri Corfe
Sean Adarkwa
Paul Komolafe
El Mhanni
Lewis Banks
Florent Hoti
Kyle Robinson
Turan
Norey
Bird
Now we have obviously learned our lesson this year and only signed 3 - but see all the PT guys we’ve signed this year that are signed for next year they are going to be the guys we are counting on as the basis of our squad in L1 - Stowe / Steele / Slater / Murray / McIntosh
If we had done this the season before and there were 4/5 successes instead of all these short term FT jobbers (a lot of who were brought in to bomb out guys like LD / Shanks / Craigen / JT) then we could maybe be sitting with a decent group for L1 right now - maybe have 9/10 players on top of the core who have been here forever - would’ve been more of a team and squad unit too as guys built relationships which could’ve made our older core of guys be more determined to be here again next season regardless of who the gaffer was.
I do feel like all our bother started at the start of the 2022/2023 season - absolutely tore the arse out of everything that makes a part time squad and team successful - for short term fixes that we thought would be an improvement on PT players in Scotland - however not thinking of the long term affect of it.
No mention of £1800 a week Scott Allan?
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6 minutes ago, Jupiter Jazz said:
Wow.
That is unbelievable.
I think Mr. McKinnon should stop doing post-match interviews, they are not doing him any favours.
He comes across as either delusional or a liar.
The interviewer's take is bizarre also.
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1 minute ago, farfirloon said:
I have heard through the grapevine that he is going at the end of the season though, seemingly had an offer of full time somewhere.
B & Q ?
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On 07/03/2024 at 12:39, speedframe said:
Wherever we end up it is almost impossible to think we can go into next season and play the type of football we've had to endure so far this season.
It seems the only way to avoid this is a managerial change.
Seems appropriate to re-post this.
I had fairly high hopes for Mr McKinnon and was happy with his appointment, I suspect I am not alone in being disappointed on how things have turned out.
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A defeat was long overdue. It's what we deserve for our style of play.
This season is not over yet.
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26 minutes ago, theSilverFox said:
It’s starting to feel like Forfar Athletic are a feeder club for a big Dundee team, that being Lochee United
Can we feed them a team manager?
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2 hours ago, RateofKnots said:
3 year rolling nonsense.
For the uneducated here re contracts (ie yours truly) can you explain what a rolling contract actually means.
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Draw a fair result, no team deserved to win that.
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2 hours ago, Francesc Fabregas said:
I'd like to see a bit more from Matty Aitken, as I've found him frustrating in recent weeks,
Get used to it....
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9 minutes ago, May Rckinnon said:
The first was comical, 2nd I'll agree was a fluke.
Our goals yesterday were the type we've been conceding all season...
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1 minute ago, ScottishLoon said:
How have we possibly lost only one League game in the last 12?! It's actually mind boggling.
We've not lost a home league game since before Christmas yet this has continued to easily be the worst forfar team to watch in over 15 years, so many performances including even todays have been chronic to watch that it's just shocking how we've managed this unbeaten run.
It's a very poor league.
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Wherever we end up it is almost impossible to think we can go into next season and play the type of football we've had to endure so far this season.
It seems the only way to avoid this is a managerial change.
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On the face of it quite an attacking line up by Mr McKinnon's standards.
Hopefully tactics to suit.
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It's going to be an interesting last ten games with six teams in the mix now after yesterday's results.
We need to achieve wins against fellow strugglers, it really is that simple.
Can Mr McKinnon put out attacking sides in the next two fixtures?
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