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  1. 22 minutes ago, NJ2 said:

    For clarity, I couldn’t give a single f**k how we qualify. I have no preference at all. To prefer one or the other, to me, seems like wanting £1m today or £500k today and £500k tomorrow...couldn’t care less.

    The correct answer is £1m today so you can get an extra day's interest on the 2nd £500k.

     

  2. 11 minutes ago, DA Baracus said:

    There is zero chance we'll be qualifying via the traditional route

    If we have zero chance of qualifying through the traditional route then chances are we'd have a pretty miserable Euros even if we did get through the Nations league route.

    This is classic Scottish loser mentality.

  3. 11 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:

    Not sure anyone is advocating any formnof prioritising. Specially considering the gap between them. In what way could we practically prioritise?

    The issue is more the level of stupidity the Nations League seems to bring to the surface. It is not the least bit hard to understand yet we are still hearing that.

    There is no less validity to qualifying through it. This is because its UEFAs tournament and they say so, yet this is another nonsense arguement that has sprung up.

    We are playing our 8 or 10 qualifiers regardless so yes of course we would prefer it to be done and dusted by then, but the snobbery and wilful ignorance surrounding the Nations League is cringeworthy

    Everything you say is correct, but still a little confused.

    I only listened to Miller's post match comments but I did not take anything from what he said as saying the Nations league had any less validity, just that he'd rather do it the traditional way.

    Not understanding how it works is however unacceptable in his position.

  4. We'll only be in the play off if we fail to come 2nd in the group (and as we're in the 3rd pot on merit, it's doable provided the draw is kind). On grounds of stress, I would much prefer us get in that way on the back of a decent campaign, rather than having to rely on the last ditch 'typical Scotland' hopes of winning through the play off.


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  5. 7 minutes ago, Briannmataxi said:

    Because we are 2 games away from the Euros through that. We are about to take part in a 8 or 10 game group to qualify. Why wouldn't you prioritise the one which we are further progressed in? Obviously if we qualify through the normal way great but it will be a lot harder compared to beating finland then Serbia or Norway. 

    yes but, normal qualifying happens and then we have the nations league, if we need it.

    So why, and more importantly how, would you actually prioritise something that doesn't happen until after?

  6. I think I'm missing something here.

    Did he say he'd 'prefer' to qualify via the traditional route or that he didn't want to do it through the nations league route?

    If it's the former, I don't see the issue, the traditional route is the earliest opportunity we have to qualify and would be a bigger achievement, why wouldn't you rather do it that way?

    If the nations league semi/final was happening say next month and he was saying 'nah f**k that I want to do it the proper way' then obviously that would be lunacy.

  7. 22 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:

    We dont set the route for qualification, UEFA do.

     

    Having a nostalgia fest over a qualifying route is utterly baffling to me. Qualifying is about 1 thing. There are no fondly remember "qualifying campaigns".

     

    Moaning about the Nations League is incredible. Utterly incredible. I dont give a f**k how great Miller was. On this subject, he is so far off the mark it makes him sound like an outright idiot.

     

     

     

    5 minutes ago, NJ2 said:


    Why? Why would you prefer to qualify one way and not the other? What difference does it make?

    Seems I've caused a stir.

    I didn't say it was important what route we qualified through.  I think it would be an amazing achievement to see us qualify through a group proper, and I hope we go all out to do so.  It would give us some confidence going into the tournament proper if we could finish at least 2nd in a qualifying group.  

    The fantastic thing is we can now go for it with the 'safety net' of the Nations league route.

  8. 7 minutes ago, DA Baracus said:

    He was at again post match. He was saying that he would rather he qualified the 'proper way'.

    He must be the only person who gives a single f**k how we qualify. As long as we do it I don't care. If we do a fucking Denmark '92 to get to a tournament he'd probably be the only person in the country who had a problem with it. 

    Tom English took him apart on his nonsense views. English pointed out just how shite we are in qualifying and how many games we'd need to win just to finish second.

    Miller also kept on talking about the Nations League being a 'golden ticket' as well. It's not a fallback, since nothing is guaranteed. It's an additional opportunity, and whilst it's a much easier route to a place at the Euros, you still have to work for it.

     

    One of the other guys later on, perhaps Liam McLeod, was also cracking 'jokes' about the format being almost impossible to understand. They all joke and boast about how lazy and shite they are at their job basically. Punt the lot of them.

    Don't see what's wrong with preferring to qualify in the traditional way, I'd probably rather we did too.  Doesn't mean I wouldn't be ecstatic if we got through the Nations league way.  Miller said as much too.

    Think you're possibly going overboard with Willie here.  The great man has to endure a lot of bitterness from P&B.

  9. 1 hour ago, Briannmataxi said:

    He's a old slavering fud who shouldn't be near a Mic. Nothing to do with his playing career. FYI I support a side with a far bigger and superior support to yourself you sheep shagging c**t.

    Willie has you, like most forwards that came up against him in his career, right in his back pocket.

  10. That is very disappointing.

    I suppose they were always going to go with a significantly higher offer but Sky having full rights is a kick in the balls (partly because I've historically refused to pay for sky and I do for BT sports...).

    I think what irritates me, other than the inconvenience of not having sky, is that by winning these rights Sky don't just buy the right to televise games, they are buying the rights to do a large part if not the majority of the marketing of the Scottish game.  They dictate how Scottish football is showcased and we all know very well how Sky see it.

    It feels like we've finally gone full circle back to the pre-2012 days of Scottish football.  Opportunity to change the game well and truly missed.

    It was fun while it lasted I suppose.

  11. 5 minutes ago, Swello said:

    Reads like it was written in the aftermath of his team getting a draw at Livi TBH.

    The central theme of it is - like lots of columns - a complete straw-man argument. The idea that Scottish Football is still living in the 80's - where a leg breaker was greeted with a stern telling off from the referee and dire threats of a yellow card if you did 3 more - is pretty risible really. The idea that you don't get massively dirty fouls in South American football, or in Italy or Spain is a pretty bizarre point of view too - as is the idea that the midfield assasin/hatchetman is a thing in Scottish football anymore.

    I'm not exactly a cheerleader for artificial pitches - but again, his suggestion that they are a sign of the backward nature of Scottish Football is another mile-oot piece of sophistry. Firstly, his comparison with hybrid pitches, without the mention of the expense of them, reads like typical OF supporter arrogance and completely ignores the financial realities involved. Secondly, artificial pitches are used in plenty of other northern/eastern european leagues where weather is shit and daylight is in short supply during the season - and given that these leagues are by (his own) definition  more progressive than Scotland, his argument makes no sense at all.

    I've always found McKenna's views to be pretty elastic depending on who he is writing for (apart from the subjects of Celtic (great) and religiously separate schools (fantastic)) - so I wasn't totally shocked to immediately find a polar opposite view from last year in the same publication under the headline "The English Can Stop Sneering at Scottish Football" :rolleyes:

     

    :lol: What a roaster

  12. 10 hours ago, accies1874 said:
    11 hours ago, Monkey Tennis said:
    God, that's a really cheap piece.
    The stuff about refs here not penalising wild challenges or those from behind with red cards, is simply made up.

    Yes, but it's something that people will lap up without actually being able/willing to research.

    Indeed.

    It's basically the equivalent of a Keith Jackson article written for an OF audience just written for an English audience who periodically like to look down on Scottish football for no apparent reason.

  13. 1 hour ago, senorsoupe said:

    Div posted this article on twitter and I think it sums up why I struggle to get overly enthusiastic about the Premier League

    https://www.football365.com/news/the-truth-we-have-gained-nothing-from-the-premier-league

     

    That article is totally accurate but it's about 20 years too late, especially for England.

    That some are treating this bonus for Scudamore as some sort of watershed moment of realisation as to what football down South has become is astounding in itself to be honest.

  14. 1 hour ago, AsimButtHitsASix said:

    "in ring" it might not be scripted but one of UFC's biggest selling points, at first, was if fans wanted two guys to fight, if it was the obvious fight to determine the best man in the weight division, then UFC made it happen. Compared to boxing that was amazing where fighters would do everything in their power to avoid each other and the different boxing orgs were too scared of the big promoters to go force it. Now it's went too far that way and the big fights are all about the "box office" rather than who deserves it from a sporting point of view.

    You can apply this to basically anything that starts off as an excellent niche product and then becomes massively popular.

    As a basic rule, the more people you're trying to entertain then the more beige it becomes as it moves away from its original principle.

    It's happened to football, it happens with TV series, movies, bands, just about anything.  Eventually it succumbs to the additionallmoney to be made by appealing to the lowest common denominator.

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