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19 minutes ago, The Moonster said:
I'm not claiming to have the answers, all I'm saying is there are people out there who acknowledge their feelings are wrong and want help - those people do not seem evil or dangerous to me, probably more dangerous to themselves than anyone else. I think the approach of locking up people for thinking things is extremely dangerous and definitely not the solution, but I can't tell you what the solution is.
Lock them the f**k up until you come up with a better solution, is my answer.
If there are people out there, telling folk they fancy children, they should most definitely be locked up, to protect said weans
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What are the 'ethics' of this when a player is nearly out of contract...are we legally entitled to inform his current employer, or is it another 'unwritten rule' that we've trodden all over?
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1 hour ago, I'm Brian said:
Aye it's called Buckfast. One football result does not change a town
No...but it gives it 'something' that the really grimmest of places in Scotland can't even muster...
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I think wee Gauldy could be good for a Scotland cap, if he can manage to wrestle his way out of Richard Taits back pocket
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On 1/11/2019 at 03:55, I'm Brian said:
This is a genuine question, but what has Auchinleck got going for it other than the ability to get out of it.
The Auchinleck by-pass was man's single greatest achievement.
A fitba team to be proud of and an obvious community spirit...
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On 1/10/2019 at 15:05, Squirrelhumper said:
Football back then didn't have the same costs to enable you to run a club.
Clubs now spend a hell of a lot more on stadium upkeep, sports science, training facilities etc. It's not comparing like for like. Back in the 70s the stadiums were shiteholes, sometimes unsafe shiteholes and majority of teams trained on public parks!
I don't think £20 for an SPFL game is OTT. It's even less when you have a season ticket.
Out of interest, how much was a cinema ticket in 1973 as I was robbed for £12 the other day!
I could understand folk moaning if clubs were paying players OTT money and making a big profit, but they aren't. A lot of SPFL players will be on less than a lot of the guys in the stand watching and only have 15 years at most at that level.
Clubs are lucky to break even as it is, I don't see any benefit of lowering the prices as it's been tried and makes next to no difference in crowd size in the long term.
Kids however should be free with an adult.
Just noticing this absolute waffle...nah only kidding, you make fair points and I know you are a very regular attender of fitba matches.
All that you have said, I agree with...times have changed in terms of facilities and costs to football clubs, that however does nothing to legislate for the real terms costs for a family to attend a game of fitba, and in real terms the costs to the fan have gone through the roof, compared to standard inflation.
I'm not sure what the answer is, maybe there isn't one.
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3 hours ago, Squirrelhumper said:
That's not really accurate though is it? You'll do well to get a pint for £3.20 in 95% of pubs but £28 is top end for SPFL football (minus Old Filth derbys)
For example, there are no SPFL games at RP that are as much as £28 and most as £20-£22 for adults.
Nit-picking?
The price of a pint of lager is £3.60, the UK average for 2018. Taking £20 as the (very) least you'll pay on the gate to enter a Premier league match in Scotland. You can clearly see that the costs haven't risen at the same (or even a similar) rate for both.
In the 1970s (apparently), you could watch a top division match for the cost of two pints. You can have almost 6 pints for the cheapest tickets these days...AND in my opinion the price of a pint is fucking ridiculous.
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I've got two 'mate'...cannae drink and drive + heading into city centres in the car these days is a hassle I can do with it.
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12 minutes ago, Cardinal Richelieu said:
Surely if one of your selling points of your town / village is that "it's easy to get to somewhere better", it's not really a selling point?
Transport links are essential...staying in a medium-sized town myself, there really isn't any need to go anywhere else for anything. You can get a meal, a drink, shops, supermarket etc etc...but being able to walk up to the station and head to Glasgow or Edinburgh for a better selection of restaurants, clubs or pubs is ideal...
...staying somewhere without good transport links would do my nut in.
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Got to laugh at some of these nominations to be honest, Wishaw, East Kilbride, Cumbernauld, Auchinleck, Dalkieth, Hawick just some of the towns mentioned recently. Every single one of these places has 'at least' something going for it, while there are large tracts of areas with absolutely f**k all about them. The A8 corridor between Motherwell and Livingston, is stowed full of places that make Auchinleck look like a thriving metropolis...Blackridge, Caldercruix, Hartfuckinghill, Salsburgh, Allanton to name a few...worse than that corridor is the area to the South, where as the boy above says 'Rigside'...I've drove through this place umpteen times and never seen anything, bar a pub that looks like its shutdown and a roll shop that looks like it should be shut down, I've never seen anybody walking about, a fucking weird place...there are also a clump of villages within a reasonable distance of each other with nothing what-so-ever to offer the outside world and why anyone continues to stay in these places is fucking beyond me...Carnwath, Carstairs, Forth, Tarbrax, honestly these places are like the land that time forgot, and when time was forgetting, so was evolution. Backwards, backwards places full of folk with f**k all to do, and nowhere to go...
...so to those mentioning Wishy, and all the rest of the towns with at least a supermarket, a thriving fitba' team or a train station to get the f**k out of the place every now and again, go and take a day out to Forth, Carnwath or Rigside and live a wee bit.
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One played for America and the other England...despite being raised in Motherwell to a Scottish mother and English father.
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Of all the new builds since St Johnstone, none have really got to the point where I'd say...'lucky b*****ds, wish that was my clubs stadium'
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2 minutes ago, Desp said:
I have absolutely no doubt Lee Erwin has made plenty of cash from moving to Leeds and onto Iran. If his plan in life was to become a wealthy man, then he's cracked it by the time he's in his mid 20s. Good on him.
If he had a plan of becoming a successful footballer, he's currently pissing that up against the wall.
Maybe he realises that hes just a run of the mill Scottish player, and he needs to seize the opportunities given to him.
Seriously though, the move to Leeds, was enough to make him settled for life...if he was careful with it. I said elsewhere, that if I was in Turnbulls advisors shoes, I wouldn't be absolutely certain on what the best course of action was, I'm not sure how good the lad actually is for starters, he does some lovely stuff on the ball, and has turned into a bit of an athlete as well, but I've yet to see him really take a game by the baws and run it. Erwin on the other hand, I'd have been dragging him down to Elland Road by his writing hand, a good player at our level, but getting offered a contract like that had to be taken.
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40, 60, 70 appearances for Motherwell before they departed for Celtic, Everton and Leicester. Turnbull is currently on 15, with 21 league games still to play this season...and hopefully a wee cup run. I see where you're going with this though, and I totally understand the point of, stay, learn and develop a wee while longer, but the opportunity might never come up again, for a whole host of reasons
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6 minutes ago, Desp said:
And he's still not learned. Was finally getting settled again and playing well in the Killie team before leaving for the riches of fucking Iranian football where, to the shock of absolutely nae c*nt, he's bailed out after a few months.
The question was who has went onto better things leaving Motherwell at an early age...from a financial point of view, and I know it for a fact, Lee Erwin most certainly did.
Why he thought leaving Killie for Iran was a good idea, is an other discussion.
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1 hour ago, Desp said:
As much as a rebuilt Fir Park would be ideal, there's no way we can afford it. The Main Stand is the big one, but the East Stand requires a wee bit of upkeep too I'd have thought (wasn't there also chat about how shoddily the South Stand was thrown up?)
The thing is though, if we build a new stadium, we'd have the money from the sale of the land at Fir Park to play with, along with potentially Government/Council assistance and even selling naming rights to the ground. If we redo Fir Park, the funds would have to come from us alone, and we don't have that kind of money, or the fanbase like Hearts to assist with funding it.
It's a non-starter unfortunately.
I do take O'Neills40Yarder's point though. I've been a Motherwell boy all my life, so it's always been walkable. It was 20 minutes away from the house I grew up in and it's now a 3 minute walk from where I live now. Would I be discouraged if it was in Ravenscraig? I wouldn't like to think so. Would I be if it was a St. Mirren Park type effort. Every chance.
How big does our main stand really need to be though? By rebuilding it, could we make it smaller, could we make it for hospitality and directors only? I don't know the answer to any of these things, I'm just thinking out loud. The selling of naming rights to the ground, to the new main stand could still be done at Fir Park. Could we sell the pitch at the back of the east stand, to a housing developer to help raise income, can we approach the local authority and allow them access to use the facilities in a new stand, if they participate in financing it. Accies seem to have a good relationship with SLC and other government bodies, why can't we with NLC?
The East Stand, is what it is, I'd imagine it'll cost a bit here and there to upkeep, but I wouldn't imagine it'll be astronomical (apart from major works like re-roofing).
As far as I'm concerned, leaving Fir Park should be the last resort, not first choice. Ravenscraig (and really thats the only alternative location in the vicinity), is a soulless, desolate, windy place, I'm surprised people are buying houses on it to be honest.
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19 minutes ago, nsr said:
Has any player ever left us at such an incredibly early stage of his career and gone on to better things in the medium or long term?
McClair, McFadden and McAllister were all 20 years old when they left us...Turnbull will be 20 in the Summer. From a financial point of view, Erwin most recently.
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1 minute ago, Swello said:
I don't live in Motherwell, so I need to drive an hour to home games anyway, so the location doesn't affect me personally, however - I put a huge importance on clubs being an integral part of the town they represent and there lies the risk of moving from your traditional home. Football isn't always about financial logic (for supporters) and I honestly can't think of a new build/out of town effort that I actually like.
Bottom line is that if any new ground (as is incredibly likely) resembles what St Mirren or St Johnstone have, I'd pick the ramshackle effort we have now any day. I'd assume a piecemeal redevelopment of Fir Park as has happened at Tynecastle and Easter Rd would be a non-starter due to cost - but it would be nice if that was an option...
Surely its the main stand that costs us the most amount of cash? If so, is there a way around about that? A re-build similar to what Hearts have done on a smaller scale...I don't believe that moving away from Fir Park Street is the only long-term solution
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5 minutes ago, well fan for life said:
I'm getting that impression as well tbh. The longer this goes on I can see him wanting to go somewhere else.
It depends where that 'somewhere else' will be I suppose...his agent seems to be the driver in these contract talks, so he has maybe heard of a few whispers. If the boy is as talented as is believed to be and he has the option to go and earn a life changing amount of money then I can see why he'd be, at the very least, considering it. Lee Erwin seems to be an example of how not to do it on the messageboards, but its factually accurate to say that Erwin, by leaving Motherwell, more or less set himself up financially for life. Had Slane not been an utter fanny of a boy, and brought up by a fanny of a da', he had the possibility of being in the same boat. Ben Hall, was probably earning £500 a week at Fir Park, as soon as Brighton offered him a 3year deal at 5k a week, as a 19 year old? I can see why he took it.
From what I can gather, Turnbull is a Motherwell fan through and through, from a family of Motherwell fans, but you've got to take that emotional attachment out of the equation and look at it objectively. Does he stay here, earning decent money for a kid his age, progress and learn more about his trade, potentially go down the Cadden route of limited progression, or worse risk injury, to then look back on it 10 years down the line and say, i wish I had taken that chance now...that chance to go and set himself up for life financially.
I'm honestly not sure what I'd do, or what advice I'd give him
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1 hour ago, Desp said:
To be fair, it's not a million miles away. I'm not sure if they have a place in mind, but if you say you stick a stadium next to where the College sits, then it's still walkable from where Fir Park is now. You can just leave Club 100 at 2:30pm rather than 2:58pm...
Considering how many houses they are planning on building in that area, it's a chance to tap into potential fans as well.
It'll still be 'out-of-town' even at that side of the development...the speed of the development itself is a worry too - while we should be looking to 'tap-in' to any new developments within a reasonable radius of our current address anyway. These new builds are generally, almost always (certainly at our level), totally shite as well...
...I totally get that the Clubs viewpoint is that Fir Park costs a lot to maintain, but as far as I can see the cutting of costs would be the only benefit. Maybe its only me, and maybe I'm a stuck in my ways traditionalist, but as someone that almost never bothered buying my season tickets this year, I reckon moving to a flat-pack stadium in the middle of a few housing developments would potentially be my tipping point.
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The thought of moving the Club to Ravenscraig (or anywhere else, out of town for that matter), gives me the absolute fear
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I wonder if Turnbulls agent is winning the 'sign or not to sign a new contract', argument
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10 hours ago, Hammer Jag said:
I walk past that character every other day and the temptation to take a penalty kick at his head is growing.
He's a total and utter arsehole
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17 hours ago, Oooooft said:
Ffs its not family.
Take the rest of the day off aye, but after that use holidays if he wants more time.
Be good of the boss to approve them at short notice.
I'm not the emotional type at all, but I watched my mate die recently and its the worst I've felt in my life. My grandparents have all died and I've been effected, aye, but nothing to the extent that I felt this time, and still do. Maybe at the age of 37, I've lead a sheltered life, or maybe its the fact that I witnessed it happening, or that a young family has been left without a dad...or a combination of everything, but its on my mind, each and every day without fail. It happened in the evening and I went to work the next day, and did until the funeral, I took that off and the following day, and my work never questioned me at all as they had known the circumstances.
Each situation is different, and just because the person involved isnt blood related, doesnt necessarily make it any less traumatic.
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The Terrible Journalism & Tom English Thread
in Scottish Premiership General Chatter
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I look forward to giving him plenty of verbals at the weekend...if he fancies diving heid first into the East Stand at Fir Park, I'd be mightily pleased by that