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1 hour ago, albagubrath said:
Haha, true. It's also probably survivorship bias - here are four that are great and forgetting all the ones who are now league 2 jobbers or not even professionals. We could take a better stab at answering if that is true if the SFA released any kind of information on outcomes, but they don't.
I think though the level some of the Performance School Graduates get to could be telling. They were started to produce Elite Level players, so hopefully they can do that, one or two already look capable of playing at that level
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Slicker had a few dodgy moments first u21 game he played, Archie Mair came in against Kazakhstan and Slicker the played again against Belgium, looked decent in that game, few good stops, quite vocal and looks confident
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Don't know why we never sing We have a Dream at Hampden 50,000 belting that out would be helmet raising stuff!
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16 hours ago, General dissaray said:
If the job was such a wonderful posting for a young up and coming manager,then why over past decade has it went to the same guys who aren't young?
Last one who fitted that ilk was Ricky Scabia touted as the next big thing and where is he now certainly not involved in the Scotland camp
Also what makes you think that Clark actually even wants to work with Maloney and isn't currently 100 per cent satisfied with his own staff?
Disrespect shown here to guys like Carver are totally bang out off order
It's a team game and all the back room guys have played there part getting us to were we are now two bawhairs away from the world Cup
Days off the Largs mafia is gone the SFA has put all the money into producing better players
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Young Ricky Sbragia
disrespect to Carver, what are you even talking about mate. Read the post. Were talking about the U21s not the full squad. I said Scotland U21s should have someone LIKE Shaun Maloney in charge, someone who sees the game plays the game and coaches the game the same way as he does, not the way Gemmil does.
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Together in Electric Dreams
Du du du du We'll all go together, however far it seems!! Du du du du We'll all dream together, dream together with Sir Steve!!
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1 hour ago, AsimButtHitsASix said:
Doubt it. He was working with the Celtic youth teams who, almost certainly, pay more than the SFA and then he had a chance to go and work with the best international team in the world. At what point inbetween would the U21s been an attractive offer?
Almost certainly pay more? Based on what evidence does a Celtic youth coach get paid more than the Scotland u21 manager? I absolutely do not know who gets paid more and neither do you. Managing the Scotland u21s would clearly be an attractive option for an up and coming Scottish coach
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4 hours ago, AsimButtHitsASix said:
I think Henry is taking that role to be working with world class players and improve his own coaching abilities whilst, presumably, going through his badges rather than for the money. I doubt working with Stephen O'Donnell and Kevin Nisbet has the same clout for up and coming coaches.
They're wrong, of course.Working in the Scottish national team setup does have the same clout for up and coming Scottish coaches though. Listen Maloney's landed a great gig and good on him so there's no reason for him to come to the Scotland youth set up now, his careers going way along a different path now but a few years ago he would have jumped at the chance to manage the U21s. There will be other good young Scottish coaches who see and coach the game the same way as Maloney does who would also jump at the chance to manage the Scotland U21s right now
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41 minutes ago, No_Problemo said:
Yeah - it is utterly tragic behaviour that grown adults managing a group of children care so much about winning, that it comes at the cost of player development.
Absolute wee guy behaviour.
That is exactly how I see Scot Gemmil
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14 hours ago, afca32 said:
I think we've definitely made a lot of progress in producing better technical players in the last 5+ years. We're still behind most other countries but at all levels of the game I think we've improved.
I've started playing amateur football for the first time in a while and most teams play out from the back these days, it's less about playing percentages and winning 50/50s.
As a child I played mostly in the Edinburgh League 1st Division and would consider myself one of the more skilful players in that league. Until this season I coached a 2010s team over the last few years and they played in the 4th Division, there were quite a few players who are technically better than I was at that age. They're made to play out from the back throughout primary school, and the majority (not all, granted) of coaches buy into that.
Some part-time football can still be a bit attritional, but certainly in recent seasons there have been more and more teams trying to play good football. 5 or 6 years I'd say Elgin stood out as one of the few teams in League 2 who played out from the back and kept the ball on the ground. Now it's fairly common and limited cloggers that used to be ten-a-penny are becoming relatively rare.
Brilliant to hear that! Hopefully it's a trend that's carried on throughout schools and leagues in Scotland
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What was the Billy Gilmour song they were all singing in Moldova?
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6 hours ago, General dissaray said:
Aye Maloney is going to give up being the Belgium assistant manager to come and coach the Scotland u21 get real we couldn't even afford him to be assistant to Clarke
I said someone like Shaun Maloney.... someone who sees and coaches the game the same way as Shaun Maloney does
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Boney M Rasputin
There is a man from Scotland that I know, he is big and hard with eyes a flaming glow!
Wingers look at him with terror and with fear but the Scotland fans we all love him dear
He's our captain and he is our leader, plays with passion and fire!
He crosses the baw, and we score with a heeder, he's the one we all desire!!
Ra Ra Robertson super Andy Robertson this is his story and it must be told
Ra Ra Robertson super Andy Robertson, the best left back in the world!!!
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53 minutes ago, Tattie36 said:
I watched the game last night. It was like watching the senior team 2 or 3 years ago. Looked small, weak, slow and devoid of ideas and creativity.
After the recent relative success of the senior team, I’m convinced that coaching is the major part of the problem. Up until last year, I was starting to believe the pish we were spoon fed for years that our players just aren’t good enough - even if they play for top sides.
Get a decent coaching team in.
I just can not fathom the approach our u21 team take. I find it even more difficult to understand when the head of the performance schools Brian McLaughlin who has been telling us for the past few years how the under age groups are changing the way we play the game, a passing style based on technical ability, a style I have witnessed with my own eyes watching u16 up to u19 games, then we hit the 21s and it all goes out the window! Why Gemmil does not carry that style through to the U21s I do not know and why he is being allowed to continue doing so I do not know. We have some great technical players who can play proper football but the only tactic he had last night was knock the ball over the top for Middleton to chase! We need a seriously good coach at u21 level who can teach the boys about positioning and movement and patterns of play, Gemmil is miles of it and essentially throwing everything these boys have been learning previously out the window. He needs called out on this, someone like Shaun Maloney would be perfect for the u21s
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14 hours ago, King Kebab said:
Oor Chele tae
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15 hours ago, craigkillie said:
At least 95% of the performance school kids will never have as good a career as Alex Rae.
I think one of the points of the performance schools is the 5% who have outstanding careers at the highest level something Alex Rae could only dream about
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18 hours ago, TheScarf said:
Shite coaches has always been the issue. They promote the rapid 6 footers and release the better players who are tiny.
I’ve been to national under 14 tournaments as a coach where every shout from the coach when watching other games was ‘channels! Hit the channels!’ Fucking brutal.
That is one thing that still bugs me about the Scottish game, majority of teams still play this way! I don't see any other pattern of play in Scotland . You watch even the Danes play football, constantly moving pulling players out of position to release another player, it is inventive. For Scotland the nation that invented the passing game we do nothing of the sort, kick and rush I still at the forefront of our game. Our players only start playing football when they leave this country
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1 minute ago, Binos said:
Just look at the coaching personnel at the clubs
Cloggers from the past who will still be handing out clogger advice
To me this is where we are failing, who is coaching the coaches? To make elite level players we need elite level coaches. I actually don't see any up and coming Scottish coaches at first team level never mind the ones in youth football. The very fact Billy Stark is in charge of our u19s chills me to the bone.
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4 hours ago, Enigma said:
It’s a very real gap and the performance schools are missing out. I know anecdotally of a couple of Fife boys who were selected for these schools but the distance/cost of travel/time parents would have to sacrifice was too great and they didn’t end up attending.
Fife Elite closing is a crying shame, just as it seemed to be starting to bare fruit for us. I can see why the Pars pulled the plug, young Dunfermline based players were opting to sign for us over them because largely of the McGlynn factor and a more defined route to the first team.
From a club point of view I was always sceptical of the Fife Elite Academy, Dunfermline always seemed to be putting in more than anyone else but we didn't see any real fruits from that. I always backed it though for the greater good hoping more Fife kids would end up coming through somewhere and eventually play for Scotland. Did Kieron Bowie not come through Fife Elite? With the German takeover we seem to be going our own way on this now so we will see what ideas they have. I always found it interesting why more clubs don't take Celtics approach and link up with a local school to put the extra training into the young players curriculum
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1 minute ago, ArabFC said:
It's fairly obvious (to me) that the kids coming through these days, especially at United are 'technically' better than those who came before them.
Don't see how giving more good coaching to them could ever be anything other than a positive.
Dundee United have always had a good track record of producing players. Who's the boys to look out for coming through at United just now mate?
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4 hours ago, Binos said:
Technically gifted is football now
Scottish football clubs need to wake up to that
Is that where things may come unstuck when players leave the school's and are taught completely different methods at certain clubs to what the learn at the school's? I'd like to think most clubs are going down the technical route but I'm not sure all clubs have elite level coaching in Scotland
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17 hours ago, Ewan8472 said:
Someone told me on another thread it is Calvin Ramsey
He certainly looks technically gifted as well. Just from watching our U21s team it is pretty obvious to me the ones that went to the performance schools. Marc Leonard and Dap Mebudes touch and technique were really good the other night
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12 hours ago, AirForceWan said:
I believe you're spot on with this. I wrote a piece for the Falkirk programme about the work these schools do in developing technically excellent players, as we've seen in Gilmour, Patterson & Ramsay. In Falkirks case we've recently signed Ben Weekes who graduated from the Broughton High Performance School in Edinburgh.
The programme needs to be expanded further to capture the areas lacking in expert coaching. Fife Elite Football Academy is closing at the end of the season due to it's main backer (Dunfermline AFC) pulled out to focus on starting up their own Youth Development Programme. This leaves a gap in the Fife area, where the closest performance schools are in Edinburgh, Falkirk and Dundee. Other areas lacking include the Borders, Highlands & Islands.
Here's a decent article on the BBC which covers the origin of the programme: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/19197560
Mark Wotte was quoted as saying, "We have to make sure that after 2020, there's a pipeline of very good football players coming into the national team." I think it's fair to say that allowing for Covid, we've met that target with Billy/Nathan coming through and many more at U-21s/below looking extremely promising.
I was actually just thinking about this the other day about the lack of performance schools in certain areas, Fife being one of them. Surely if the school's seem to be working the money that was made from qualifying for the Euros should be put into opening other schools in areas that require them.
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With Billy Gilmour and Nathan Patterson leading the charge into a bright new dawn for the National Team, it sheds a very good light on the Performance Schools. Are we now starting to see the the reason these were started? Have we turned a corner in youth development?Two technically brilliant young players both with bags of potential and already looking the part at this early stage in their careers. I have noticed a large number of JD Performance school graduates in recent youth squads so who is next of the Performance Schools conveyor belt of Scottish Football Talent!
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There is clearly pressure on him from Bologna to pull out, would you mess with Mihajlovic?! If he told his manager to bolt he may get dropped for Bologna no win situation
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