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3 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said:
No no, I'm sure Bournemouth will be happy to oblige to pay a significant loan fee to develop a player who may or may not be any good to them in the Premier league so in a year or two Motherwell reap all the benefits.
It's golden.
Aye, the concept of teams taking people on loan with a view to buy is totally alien, eh - never happens, ever.
Dear me.
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7 minutes ago, Londonwell said:
Sincere apologies to @Well Well, clearly Well View is the deranged taxi driving Newcastle loan specialist.
I am truly sorry for any offence caused.
If by deranged you mean correct, that's fine.
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5 minutes ago, Aufc said:
What would you say his value is? He looks a great prospect but is £3m undervaluing him?Realistically, Turnbull will be a more valuable player than our previous old boy Ross McCormack. I can't remember how much we got for him, it was either a free from Motherwell or something stupid like a hundred grand - which just goes to show we have a long history of losing top player for ten bob.
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Just now, wastecoatwilly said:
Scott brown was 21 and played 100 games for Hibs when he joined Celtic.
£3 million if true is good dosh for a 19 year old with one outstanding season under his belt.f**k me, there's one of the Ugly Sister brigade telling me to take wit ah git and be thankful.
f**k off.
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4 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said:
The final nail in my coffin, WellView agreeing with me
You should be pleased. I was right in 2016, I was right with the taxi driver line ( and how our fans hate that ), I was right with the chickenshit attitude to contracts ( I understand it with players from outwith the club, I don't undertsand it with our youth who are on minimal money anyway ), and I was right that we'd be better loaning players out to bigger clubs.
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Infantile stuff - fans going nuts cos Hastie, on a wage of £400 a week, decided to sign for Rangers, £4,000 a week. Ooooh, I wonder what happened there? Was that a repeat of the Ben Hall fiasco when we put a guy into the first team with four months of his contract left and started greeting when he refused a new contract? To this day, we have players in our first team on taxi driver money, in fact I know taxi drivers that wouldn't get out of their bed for £400 a week. Man, Robinson was raving about Hastie during the winter break, did it not occur to the club to offer him a years extension with a decent pay rise then? Hastie would have bitten our hand off.
And here we go again, with the yippering stupidity of the jammy piece, 240 bus to work brigade. We will never see a serious transfer income for a player direct from Fir Park. The P&B member that mentioned earlier we should have at least beaten the Scott Brown transfer fee is correct.
We have a board who's collective arse collapsed when Celtic flashed their £3 million knickers. Inflation adjusted, O'Donnell's transfer will still be our record transfer - and inflation adjusted, we'll be picking up half the money for Turnbull that Hibs picked up for Brown .
Well done Motherwell, well done.
And aye, its a risky manouvere, but with Arsenal sniffing around Ryan Fraser at £30 million - I'd be happier seeing Turnbull going to Bournemouth on loan ( and with a decent loan fee ) for a year than doing this deal. If he's anything like the thing we think he is, his transfer value next summer will be astronomical compared to the £3 mill on offer today.
Ya'll went nuts three years ago when I said we had a chickenshit attitude to contracts. Now were reduced to begging Rangers for £400 grand for Hastie, and getting raped by Celtic for Turnbull. I've been a Well fan for 45 years and there's nothing new under the sun, the Ugly Sisters are still taking the piss out of us, and to make it even worse - our board has neither the bottle or the imagination to stand up to them.
So let me give the board a couple of bits of advice. One - no academy player should be allowed to debut for first team with under six months left on his contract. And two - you are allowed to lend our best talents to bigger teams, its not a one way street. Try it - it can't be any worse than losing Turnbull. Hastie, McKinstrie, Cadden and McAleer for a combined £4 million.
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Jesus sufferin'
Shut up with the 1000 word drivel answers.
The only thing you need to know about the McCall years is that they left us on the edge of bankruptcy.
How ya'll cheered the last minute win v Aberdeen,
if it wasn't for Les, we'd be Dundee United at BEST.
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7 hours ago, ONeils4Oyarder said:
I am also willing to bet £10 that if a club offered a million quid for him...Burrows would be away forging the wee mans signature.
Really? Ask him.
Not a chance he would be allowed to leave us that cheap. No chance.
You're looking at the new MFC record transfer.
Problem is ( as always ) guys that need to tap their maw to make it to payday are suddenly financial experts.
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1 hour ago, Londonwell said:
I am willing to bet you £10 we do not loan out Alan Campbell.
Are you familiar with loan to buy?
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4 hours ago, Londonwell said:
Don't know what you find amusing about that - players are going on loan to buy all over the place in England - and just wait till the panic station starts in the last week of the loan to buy window.
Though, to be fair, I don't think anyone will come in with the kind of money this window that we would accept for Campbell. With the length of his contract, and importance to the team, etc - IMO, a million wouldn't encourage Burrows to shift him this window. I reckon it would need to be close to a record transfer for Motherwell to let him go, and I still don't think Burrows would be happy about losing him.
With luck, someone will come in for Cadden.
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On that subject, there's no guarantee that we'll get £600,000 for Cadden next year. Seems there was zero interest in him from England during the summer. If no club is prepared to fork out the money, the alternatives are:
He goes out of the game for a season ( highly unlikely ).
Or he signs a one-year contract extension and leaves on a Bosman when he turns 23. ( likely ).
I hope Mr Burrows ain't counting chickens........
ps - don't be shocked if you see Campbell out of the door on a LOAN to buy. IMO, if he progresses at all this season, this will be his last at Fir Park.
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16 minutes ago, Desp said:
Hopefully it makes up for being loaned out to Alloa, rather than someone like Newcastle Utd, eh WellView?
Oh, it's you. I was thinking about you this morning when I saw a dog s**t in the street.
Have you studied the rules regarding development fees yet or are you still prepared to gibber a lot of crap about things you know nothing of?
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26 minutes ago, Antiochas III said:
New loan rules state that players on loan are to be made available for any game not involving the first team of the parent club. Before it was only Development Loans but now all loans are to be classed like that.
Excellent - so we're not "losing," the players to the extent we used to. I think that's better all round. Jake Hastie must be buzzing at getting so many games
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I note Jake Hastie played last night and was surprised to see that considering he's a first-team player at Alloa Athletic. And he seems to be doing well, as is Ross MacLean at Morton. Re Shea Gordon at Partick - here's an interesting couple of comments -
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Fair point. I'm no fanboy, I'm disappointed that Turnbull, Maguire and Scott are not number 20, 21 and 22 in the first team squad. Even that would have allowed for SR's 12 - 18 ambition.
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Hamilton downed tools on the last day of the season. The warm memories of that day involve a degree of self-delusion.
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Anyway - from our bottom six competitors - who would you sign to play the role of a creative midfielder. Or an attacking wide player. Or even a striker better than we have. We can forget about the OF and city teams, they all have a wage bill well beyond ours. I'm not saying that there's no one at these clubs, I would just like to hear your opinion who has anyone better than us.
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^^ Amazing - its not been that long since people were pleased we had done our business early. Our first team was a match for anyone last season, 12 - 18 far from it. How we all winced anytime Petra took to the field. The difference so far this season is that the first team hasn't showed up yet. Give it time.
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I saw a tweet yesterday saying that the ball would be rushed to Wishaw General at halftime due to altitude sickness.
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12 minutes ago, steelmen said:
According the bbc it’s Campbell he has warned them off of.
We have no idea if anyone has shown interest in Cadden, all we know is there has been nothing public.
If hibs want to go a million, fine go for it but no matter who signs him next year we are due a hefty training fee.
Some folk don’t rate him, fine but right now we know what we get from him. We hope Turnbull can be the next one but Robinson hasn’t gave him a run of games for a reason.My mistake, you are correct.
Bigi starting today - hope it goes well.
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Just now, steelmen said:
Why would we want to to sell him to one of our rivals?
English clubs have shown no interest this summer. So that beats that argument unless you expect a European team to come in for him?
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Interesting article and assessment of our two youngsters in The Scotsman yesterday
Motherwell will be looking at Chris Cadden and Allan Campbell with CEO Alan Burrows and the club’s board seeing money signs flashing in front of their eyes. Cadden is a player who a similar physical build to McGinn and the power which comes with it. Arguably his best position is as a No.8 but his progress has not been as upwardly as some would expect, having been shifted around the pitch, from wing-back to a No.10. He has yet to demonstrate he has the relevant technical ability and consistency to match McGinn but would certainly be an interesting player to develop.
The Steelmen’s main asset is Campbell. Diminutive, combative, tenacious and a good football player to boot. The 20-year-old’s ‘dirty work’ for Scotland’s U21s was praised at the Toulon Tournament earlier in the summer. It may be his no nonsense approach to midfield battles which makes him stand-out but he is a much better footballer than many think.
He is far from the finished article but a player who could be shaped into a player in the John McGinn mould. In a 2-2 draw with Rangers last season he displayed his attacking instincts and ability to perform a box-to-box role with and without the ball.
Read more at: https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/teams/hibernian/how-can-hibs-replace-a-player-like-john-mcginn-1-47819360 -
Stephen Robinson warning Hibs off bidding for Cadden as "we don't need the cash," Daily Mail print edition, according to BBC football gossip.
I don't agree. We're still in debt, and we have adequate midfielders, including Turnbull who we all reckon can step up. Even at that, a decent fee now would give us a chance to bring in a replacement before Aug 31. And if he joins a club next summer, while the expected £600,000 development fee is handy ( assuming anyone will pay it ) we would lose out on a sell-on fee.
£800,000 plus sell-on? See you later, Chris.
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2 hours ago, WellView said:
Interesting wrinkle in the English transfer window - teams outside the Premiership can still take players on loan, and can still "loan to buy," after the window shut yesterday. Here's an example at Wigan - Lee Evans, loaned until Jan 1, will be registered on a two and a half year deal at that date.
I'm not sure if this is a domestic only policy, or if English teams can come into the Scottish market to loan or loan to buy.
Quoting myself - just read that English non-Premiership clubs can loan, or loan to buy, from anywhere. Relevance to us, it would n't shock me to see Bigi go on loan ( disappoint, but not shock ) and our prime contender for a loan to buy is Cadden. And let's be honest about it, he was never going to get a move to the EPL anyway. A few clubs are licking their wounds after yesterdays dealings, Swansea being one ( I'm not suggesting Cadden for Swansea ). Just pointing out there are a few motivated clubs below the Premiership looking for players.
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Motherwell FC - A Thread For All Seasons
in Scottish Premiership General Chatter
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Are you saying - Celtic offered a loan-to-buy deal because they wanted a look at him before committing to the transfer?
Who'd have thought, eh?
( by the way, I hear the loan fee was £500,000 deductible from the transfer if it went through, non-refundable as always if not. Imagine teams paying loans fees, amazing, eh? )
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Well done Burrows. And all those wanks that threatened to boycott Fir Park if the Celtic move went through/if the club folded, send some money to the Well Society by way of apology, that's the least you can do.