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32 minutes ago, Right turn Clyde said:
Oh yes, the fact he is a volunteer and suffering from depression is now a stick to beat me with. This is why we are bottom of the league....we pick the wrong foe, time and time again and the Board love it..."divide and conquer" is exactly what they want.
I genuinely do empathise with him regarding his depression as I have been there myself many years ago and it is a very lonely frightening place.
But, those close to him should not have let him put himself out there on media, where criticism will exist.
I do have to say that the recent comments were probably wrong of me as I had begun to recognise some symptoms of depression in his body language....so yes, having reflected as you suggest, that was wrong of me not to back off. Not sure referring to him as "dopey" in a communication with our very own Arthur Montford, who had been goading me, was enough to tip him over the edge.....but I apologise if I have added to his anxiety.
Not a stick to beat you with but perhaps just don’t be awful to people online. It’s not difficult. Having been through it yourself then you would understand how damaging continuous derogatory comments can be to someone’s psyche.
For all you know that platform may have been an outlet for that person, so to criticise his friends and family for allowing him to do it is just reaching.
Again if you “recognised” from body language that he was suffering from depression (absolutely amazing skill bytheway!) then calling him a clown or any name was awful behaviour. You can’t determine what comment and when could have an effect on someone. Again experience of the condition itself should tell you that.
Hopefully he accepts your apology and you recognise not to target individuals online in future.
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3 minutes ago, Right turn Clyde said:
out of context as nothing written to me has been posted.
Very much in context as you’ve tried to claim you genuinely wish this person well when you have clearly called him names on another social media platform, whether directly to him or not, and they’ve stepped down to get away from critique that crossed a line. Those screenshots of things you have said (no doubt other examples) definitely cross a line. You may want to reflect on your behaviour.
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39 minutes ago, Right turn Clyde said:
Was only a matter of time- and quite out of context but I’d expect that
“Being the host of the show hasn't always been helpful for someone that often doesn't like himself. Critique is fair but there is a line and sometimes that was crossed.”
Your tweets:
“You let your dopey pal introduce you as such every time you guys can be arsed to do a podcast”
“You should be enabling this board like him and his clown friend who interviews the clown manager.”
Aye totally out of context that. I’d love to understand what your beef is with this individual as it’s borderline obsessive.
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I came on to see what was being said about the performance today. It’s sad that, from a Clyde perspective, we can’t even discuss a football match without a grown man taking, what appears to be, personal issues with individuals on to this platform. In future probably best to keep it away from here as it’s clear that no-one else looks to share these opinions. Let’s deprive the troll of the oxygen it so eagerly seeks and ignore and hope that he gets a new, constructive hobby.
Anyway back to the original motive for coming here… Could have got a point, probably should have got a point. We’re going to have to start suring up at the back and get these much needed points on the board.
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Step away from the self destruct button. We have lost 2 games in the league from 5. If we were to listen to the doom merchants we would be rooked to the bottom already without a hope in hell of getting another point. There is much to be worked on but still a lot to be positive about. Yesterday was the first league game we haven't scored but we should have with the chances created. It's night and day from recent years when some points were won very much against how games played out.
After 3 games we should have been 9 points from 9 and we were playing some great stuff. Why wouldn't fans be optimistic? To call people deluded for thinking we could be mid-table or there abouts is a bit off in my opinion. Just because some didn't instantly look for the "armageddon is now upon us" button the second we drop points does not make them deluded. It is perfectly acceptable to be positive about your team when results are going well.
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6 hours ago, Bullyweeno1 said:
As a Clyde fan I won’t be getting carried away with one good result and performance
Have always said the time to look at things will be after the first 1/4 of the season has been played out
"Can’t wait for the quotes
”the boys are showing up well in training”
“the boys gave their all today and were caught out by 5 breakaways…..so they were”
“we just need that break to win our first game”…..quote in November
“We are a young squad and just need to give our all for our fantastic fans…..so we do” "
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"However, I think we are certainties to go down this year. "
Really? The two quotes above from you were from after our first 2 League Cup matches which had you convinced we were down and not winning a league match until November. Now after beating 2 Full time teams in our last 3 matches you are saying we should only look at things after 9 league games. Which is it? Do you only consider defeats to be an indication of Clyde's future and all wins flukes or lucky? It certainly seems to be your logic from other posts on here.
On the match, it was great to see a near full 90 minute performance from the team(that 20 seconds at the start aside) and backed by an incredibly vocal, positive and appreciative travelling support which the team clearly reacted to. Carry that in to next week and there is no reason why we shouldn't be 6 points out of 6.
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32 minutes ago, andyp1301 said:
careful fan dabby...that was an oversight that was apologised for. 12 years and you pick up that! All Class.
Careful andyp... said oversight caused us to field ineligible players then, yet when this offence occurs in 2018/19 an apology for a similar oversight isn’t sufficient? At least your hypocrisy is clear for all to see.
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18 hours ago, C. Muir said:
Chance Lang could be available for this, albeit in protective head gear. Amazingly we've not really seemed to miss him in the last few games.
Definitely great to have Tom back in some capacity. I’m with you though, we’ve kept clean sheets in two out of our last three games and looked fairly solid. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it, as they say! We need to be hard to beat first and foremost in this run in. Tom has the tendency to run out of position at times and we need to be hard to beat tonight. He is a more than capable sub and if we don’t use him then it’s longer healing time for him. Would rather have cover and everyone at their best for the run in.
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5 hours ago, andyp1301 said:
You're being silly JM...we all know the person at the helm was an autocrat and the Board were not responsible for strategy and actions...but acted under instruction.
Was it “under instruction” that, as FD at the time, one of these said ex chairmen didn’t pay tax over to HMRC in the 2015/16 season?
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1 hour ago, andyp1301 said:
The tag team of Clyde on the Up and Fandabby are back in town. You accuse me of having inside info.....I think you've just displayed you have much more. In fact why not engage with me on the Owners Forum? Oh of course you'd have to use your real name.
Just a point here....if you owed a friend a sum of money and agreed to pay it over a long term, let's say 5 years, as you were in a difficult financial position......if your circumstances changed due to a windfall of some kind (in football terms a home cup tie v Celtic) would you clear the debt in one hit or keep your friend on monthly repayments......I have a feeling I know the answer.
Seeing you know so much about the turnover and the outgoings and the details of the government help and other financial help.......how much do you think the Club has in the bank?
First of all, who says I haven’t engaged with you on the owners forum? And secondly, just because two people have the same opinion about something and are posting around the same time, doesn’t mean they are “tag teaming”. Going by that logic, is it “tag teaming” when you and your “friends” are posting around the same time, with the same opinion, on the same topics, on the owners forum? Both “Clyde on the up” and I may just want to address your “points” and we happen to be on this forum reading them at the same time. For the record, I have no idea who “Clyde on the up” is and I am confident that they won’t know who I am.
Just a legal point here, if my business had been loaned money from another business in any way and an agreement was drawn up for repayment, which was verbally and electronically agreed, then I would stick to the terms of that and I would expect the other party to agree to the originally agreed amount and not increase it. If my business came into a “windfall” (I assume you mean the likes of the Celtic game here since the James Anderson grant can’t be used for this purpose) then no, I wouldn’t pay that off in a lump sum due to the current economic climate/global pandemic. Other expenses need to be met with potentially little income coming in. Being loaned money from a friend isn’t even comparable in this situation as this was two companies transacting with each other. Again though, I wouldn’t expect my friend to increase the amount owed either if I came in to a windfall. They wouldn’t have been a trustworthy friend in the first place.
Sigh. All the information I posted above came directly from the annual accounts, the club update and the world wide web for information on the James Anderson grant and the Job Retention Scheme. The former two would have been sent to you as an owner, and since you referenced the annual accounts in your earlier post, then I would assume that you’ve read them, yes? If you aren’t able to glean the same information that I did then I would suggest you read them again more carefully.
It’s funny how you are your most active on here when things aren’t going so well. I wonder why that would be?
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1 hour ago, andyp1301 said:
So you are saying there is not an agreed debt? The Owners update would contradict this.
I'd say at a rough calculation ...using the 2020 Accounts and cash in hand stated....and taking the Covid furlough payments and government grants and bounce back loans and James Anderson's money and the supporters 20k and the Celtic money......possibly several hundred thousand. So yes, enough to pay an agreed debt in full rather than monthly over 5 years AND to provide funds for a decent squad to let us compete in League 1.
Oh and by the way..."ex glorious leader" leader laid the foundations for promotion.
This has become a personal situation between our Board and Norrie Innes and it is affecting the football side of things, which is not something we ordinary supporters should have to suffer.
Where did I say there wasn’t an agreed debt? I said that an agreement was reached over an amount owed, as was stated in the club update. That was the amount that was then getting repaid over monthly instalments. Clarity needs to be sought as to why an amount agreed between the two parties is no longer in play. Whatever “foundations” he “laid”, would be smashed to smithereens if a wind up order was to be successful as Clyde Football Club would cease to exist. So you’re right, it is personal and it would cause us supporters great suffering, more than any relegation ever would.
Oh so you assume that the club have had no expenses at all since June 2020? So April until July, the Job Retention Scheme (JRS) credits would have covered 80% of players wages, as well as employers NIC and pension contributions, so there was 20% in wages outgoing as players didn’t take a drop (as they are entitled to). In August the club would have had to have started paying Employers NIC and pension contributions again, as well as the 20% in players wages. That then increased to 30% in September until the players and staff returned to work, when training was resumed for the leagues restarting. From that point everyone is removed from furlough and are receiving full pay and the club are paying that, as well as employers NIC and pension contributions with no JRS credit income to offset it. The resumption of furlough from December until March only covers 80% of wages and once again the club would have had to have paid employers NIC and pension contributions. Additionally, the update mentioned that we repaid the RBS loan in full, after the 11th May update, which as at 30 June 2020 was around £25k. Not to mention the fact that the James Anderson grant also has to be removed from your calculations as this has to be ring fenced away from working capital, as stipulated in the terms of the grant. Given that the club are also recognising that there may be a circa £80k liability for Rock DCM, they may be setting aside the equivalent of the previous monthly payments should a future settlement be reached. Not exactly the rosy bank balance you’re making it out to be.Edited to insert a comma for correct use of grammar.
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1 hour ago, andyp1301 said:
her's a thought.....pay him what he is owed....a bit like paying RBS what they were owed.
A "winding up order" is a business/legal term for when a creditor refuses to pay a debtor......I would doubt a second generation Clyde footballer and former Chairman would want the Club to suffer in this way or anywhere near it.
Let's see how things go but I am sure there is enough in the pot to make this "agreed" debt go away and we can concentrate on trying to survive the drop as the season continues.
What do we owe him? Was it not the case an agreement was reached and was being paid until said ex glorious leader decided this wasn’t not good enough? Do you want us to pay this in full AND release funds for transfers? Just how much do you think we are sitting on? Please do tell, as it seems you are keen to portray that you are “in the know” on here and the owners forum.
Additionally, a winding up order risks the creditor having their debt paid pennies to the pound, which potentially would come in lower than an amount previously negotiated in the agreement reached. So one has to wonder, why would they risk that scenario when they know the club has little in the way of liquid assets, and if, as you say, have the club’s best interests at heart? If we do have a nest egg it would be marvellous if we could use this to bolster, at least, the midfield and left back position before it’s too late.
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You must know the details in his contract- we all know he’s contracted for 21 more months- be surprised if not a clause to let him move up divisions.
If not it’s surely pretty simple, jog on PT
Opinion = “must be in the know” now. Understood.0 -
we cant even put a preview of the game on the website [emoji23]
maybe one of our insiders could update on injuries etc
Maybe one of the insiders can text Tom Lang and ask the boys themselves.
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What was that about?
Absolutely bewildering none of the Clyde support have pulled there fan up on that comment, brutal.
A number of Clyde fans have reported the post. It’s why it was removed, that and the posts that contained it in quotes. It was disgusting and any Clyde fan that condones it needs to have a long hard look at themselves.4 -
Where was their an accusation, weedobber? A perfectly innocent error. It didn't harm anyone's efforts or cost sanctioning.
Aw bless you resorting to name calling again. That’s when you know you don’t have an argument.
You accused Mantis of knowing and sharing information not yet in the public domain. It’s not rocket science. A simple apology and saying “sorry hadn’t seen it, my mistake” would have sufficed. Seems you’re incapable of admitting you’re wrong and apologising ever.0 -
With the deducted points possibly not coming back to us, a win for us should be enough to consolidate second place given both teams’ run of form. Our attitude of not knowing when we’re beaten will be tough to break down, and last week aside, we don’t often concede many goals. Hopefully we’re more clinical in the final third and make it a comfortable three points.
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It wasn't coming up at the time i looked, i then went to bed
I’ll translate for you Mantis... “I’m sorry for accusing you of posting drab on an open forum despite it having been communicated officially through the website.”3 -
No backtracking here, sweetheart. Nor any policing of topics of discussion.
I find it quite amusing that discussion on an article written by a known shit-stirrer, elicits its most scathing response towards one group of supporters based on comments by myself (which i absolutely stand by, 100%) as an individual on an anonymous forum, simply for not condemning all things SFA (when they have yet to have ANY input to the case) nor for embracing the "in it together, community spirit!!" that the patholigical altruists among us seem determined to galvanise, at any cost, including apparently freedom of speech. Play nice, now.
Oh bless your condescending little cotton socks. Your whole post reeked of backtracking “sweetheart”. Assuming I’m female then? Not the first time you’ve been way off the mark!
I find it quite amusing that you’ve neglected to answer the point about racism and a branch member but each to their own. Perhaps you need to learn to “play nice, now”.
Point me out where I was scathing towards your “group of individuals”? In terms of the group I merely pointed out that no supporter or group of supporters are greater than the other. I was only critical of one branch member who I witnessed being racist to an Annan player. Maybe you want to consider that for your group’s wider reputation.0 -
Firstly, the Castlemilk branch were mentioned as being a larger presence, in the view of another poster, despite being mentioned nowhere at that point. This was not in doubt for many years, but has now sadly dwindled to a few hardy souls. I eagerly await to see what offence gets drawn from that observation.
In my eyes, the initial remark "no more than colourful Santas" is far more incitement for reaction than my response. We're done here.
Oh dear, talk about spitting the dummy out. Do you not like being told that you’re not behaving nicely? Nice backtracking as well on the Castlemilk Branch front.
I forgot you decided on here what we can and cannot talk about. Never mind I’ll keep posting my observations anyway.
Hopefully the GB member who was booted out of Broadwood on Saturday for racial abuse will also feel the same wrath that a previous person “found out the hard way”.0 -
Where was it mentioned that anyone involved in the GB had stood, or shown desire to? By all means, point this text out to me, please.
As it happens, you don't need to put oneself forward for such a fallout. Merely questioning club policy, and/or continued support for failed, flogged-out schemes in sync with policy, are sufficient to provide trigger warnings against the individual(s) in question.
If specifics are what you'd like, from me, you're going to have to ask the correct questions, and nicely.
Where you completely disregarded the Castlemilk Branch and them only forging links with the club when there was something in it for them. It’s also littered in the subtext of your entire post. It’s getting boring to be honest. We know you think they’re great. I applaud anyone’s effort for fundraising and volunteer for the club, but there are those that do this that aren’t part of this branch. They deserve equal respect.
If it wasn’t anyone from the Glasgow branch then name who was subject to smear campaigns or vendettas, as I recall no-one getting that treatment. You must be party to more information than I.
Tell you what I’ll ask nicely if you actually start behaving in the same manner.
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Your remarks regarding English are bang on. Cheap effect is putting it mildly- he's been around long enough to have established himself as either the new Traynor/Keevins, or as a keen questioner. And he certianly wasn't giving this much of a shit about a poor Scotland side before, either, despite us being shite for the duration of the century thus far.
Now for the argument.
If you use terms like "limited knowledge of board members", this indicates that maybe it's not a subject you should be readily dismissing, as you appear to be. It's not an easy thing to have to feel forced into writing, but in doing so, i don't believe anything i or anyone else says can do any more damage than some of those with 'good intentions' have managed. This isn't the place for specifics, but the information i have is readily available to all interested parties on various platforms. Perhaps if enough people cared to find this, and act accordingly, the instances i have provided would be avoided. This isn't a time-exhaustive or limited-skill issue, it's a personality one.
The comments regarding the Glasgow Branch activity are very disappointing. Summing up 18 months close work with the club (in the main, the "arrogant" Norrie Innes- another shocker, mate) with a Santa suit gimmick is evidence enough of the ignorance you're displaying, in matters you have no clue or genuine interest in, otherwise you would be more enlightened. As far as most of the 'factions' at the club, opposing or otherwise, are concerned, the GB are relatively pulling their weight. There are Exec/Arria club members, matchday volunteers and everyone in between among the subscribers, and its very possibly the second-largest affiliated club administration after the CIC, depending on the numbers of season tickets. With respect to the Castlemilk, the only times it has forged serious links with the club is when there's been something in it for them, and it's been a long time since that was the case. Judging by my book number, purchased in September, the GB has more members than Clyde have ST holders. Not insignificant, wouldn't you say? Someone's already found that out, the hard way.
Disregarding a branch size,of whichever magnitude, in favour of applauding all collective efforts,is again clutching at the low-hanging fruit from the tree. Just assuming something will always be there isn't exactly great practice. There IS value in the purchases made, beyond a one-off flash in the pan. The club being reimbursed with both the profits, and additionally sourced income, isn't the sort of revenue stream they seem to believe is a requirement of the business, and with that outlook displayed publicly and regularly, its easy to see why the background was set for such a disastrous schoolboy error.
Anyone declaring themselves fit and able to schmooze their way onto the board at an AGM would require the skin of a rhino, for a start, as that would imply the present incumbents were somewhat lacking. At any given point this decade, any hint of this has been met with derision and very quickly descends into smear campaigns and vendettas. I don't expect you, or many others to be aware of this, as the more deferential and trusting among us tend to steer clear, and in many cases actively believe the bullshit they are told by any given fifth-columnist who's available at the time. It's certainly an effective way of putting any insurgencies to bed, i'll concede that.
At least it appears you're not quite in that circle just yet, although you're certainly leaning to the correct side.
Not one supporter or group of supporters are better/superior than the other. Period. Nor does the amount that they “do” entitle them to more than another supporter. Period.
I do hope that whoever was considering putting themselves forward for board election from the GB and was subject to “smear campaigns and vendettas” took legal action for defamation of character.0 -
Indeed as i said. But isn't this a considered point before posting? In my eyes, the issue isn't necessarily the content, but it's the will behind it. And that is open to question for everyone.
Exactly and I question the will behind your posts that seeks to demean the OP. Now that sounds like ego stroking to me.0 -
Just noticed that Ayr United have 36 points after 18 matches, the exact same return as us. Interesting when you think of the plaudits they have received this season (granted against far better opposition).
Our points return at this stage of the season is very decent and would normally have us right up there, we are unlucky that the form of the top 2 in our league has been ridiculously good.
Saturdays game is massive as a win there would really bring us back into play.
We really are in an impressive run with being unbeaten in nine. We really need to make it count on Saturday, as if we lose then winning the league would become a mountainous task.0
Clyde Season 23/24
in Scottish League 2 General Chatter
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You state repeatedly that people need to take their anger out on the right individuals, but this part of your post is telling. You say you noticed signs of depression, but because you say it's been going on a while it's OK in trying to justify your behaviour.
You're an adult so I’d suggest leave it, grow up and more importantly move on for your own, and others’ you clearly wish to aggrevate, sake.