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1 hour ago, Sherrif John Bunnell said:
Disappointing, but not surprising in the slightest. I imagine getting enough bodies for a home match would have been difficult enough for them, never mind every second week going on a stupidly long coach trip just to get scudded at some public park in the middle of winter.
It’s a sad end. Great place to watch football and very welcoming to me back in November last year when I turned up to watch what was my only live football game of 2020.
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53 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:
Campbeltown joined the WoSFL this close season. There was talk of doing a ground check on an applicant that needed a megabus trip to get to
Speculation ran rife on who it could be with Campbeltown and Oban Saints being the favourites.
There's a few random geographic ones out there in the Glasgow/West ams. I don't know the teams or the leagues well enough. Especially now with how COVID has changed things up.
As well as Campbeltown there are seven other Argyll and Bute amateur teams that I’m aware of in Glasgow based leagues.
Tarbert, Lochgilphead Red Star and Oban Saints are 3 with similar long distance trips.Rothesay Brandane and Dunoon closer to Glasgow but needing a ferry journey.
Rhu and Cardross basically Greater Glasgow anyway.
There is also Highland’s South Lochaber Thistle in Kinlochleven who play in the GGAPFL. Traditionally half of Kinlochleven was in Argyll prior to 1975 albeit the school pitch they play on is north of the river so was always in Inverness-shire. They’re well north of the Highland / Lowland line but I can see why for them a Glasgow based league is easier than NCL where the closest teams would be in Inverness.
Would be a tricky one if they ever applied for the Pyramid as WOSFL would suit them better but they don’t even come close to the line in the style of Tayport or Luncarty.
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Scourie lead Nairn 1-0 for most of the 1st half and deserved their lead against a poor Nairn side.
Nairn lucky to equalise before half time but have been better in second half and 5-1 a fair result in the end.
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4 hours ago, cmontheloknow said:
Are St Cadoc's not playing at Ants though?
Yes, same as Harthill play in Greenrigg and BSC play in Alloa.
But this list is apparently not based on ground location but spiritual home so I was pointing out to be consistent on that basis St Cadocs should be listed as East Renfrewshire.
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1 hour ago, mcruic said:
Yeah - it's in Greenrigg - I've crossed the "border" a few times as some of my family live in Harthill and some in Whitburn. With the list, I've tried as much as possible to list the location of the club as the town it is meant to represent (hence why BSC Glasgow is in Glasgow and not Alloa). So, yes, correct, Harthill's ground is in West Lothian, although Harthill, the town it represents, is in North Lanarkshire.
There's a lot of amateur teams as well play "cross-border" from the town they represent (many teams around Glasgow play in Glasgow for convenience). Isle of Arran FC play in Kilwinning, but the club is based in Brodick. Within the same council area, there are some teams who don't play in the original area they were named after (Dunipace don't play in Dunipace, but in Denny - Blairgowrie don't play in Blairgowrie, but in Rattray).
Well if you're doing it that way you should have 3 senior clubs in East Renfrewshire - Neilston, Arthurlie and St Cadocs.
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Harthill Royal’s ground is in West Lothian so you can’t include them as a North Lanarkshire team.
So only 11 council areas playing Junior.2 -
16 hours ago, GordonS said:
I know, but I thought as Berwick is much further east it would be further away - Scourie is almost exactly north of Stranraer. But I just measured it and you're spot on, my mental trigonometry failed me. The furthest Scottish club from Scourie as the crow flies is St Cuthbert's Wanderers at 396.39km. Gretna is next, at 393.99km.
For trivia interest I make Scourie the third most westerly senior football club in Scotland after Stranraer and Fort William.
Lewis and Harris FC's Ullapool ground is also slightly further west than Scourie if you count their occasional NCFA cup games as making them a senior club.2 -
1 hour ago, welshbairn said:
Where are you staying? Was thinking of the B&B overlooking the ground in case it's pishing it down, the hotel (with an bar) in the village's a bit pricey.
I'm staying in Kylesku that weekend (which is even pricier than the Scourie Hotel) but totally worth it. Best hotel in the Highlands.
But as I'm up in Sutherland anyway 10 miles up the road to Scourie counts as practically next door by their standards.1 -
On 23/06/2020 at 18:20, Marten said:
Just added Scourie to my groundhopping list...
If the North Caledonian Fixture Secretary is reading this thread can you please schedule a Scourie home game on Saturday 19th December. (I've got 2 nights booked in a hotel already)
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13 minutes ago, big al said:
Kelty is north of Cowden incase you didn’t realise.
Kelty is also north of Stirling as well. Suggests this isn't the best thought through plan...
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Very sad news. RIP.
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Inverurie Loco Works has been closed for 51 years, getting on for 40% of the history of the 117 year old eponymous football club.
So no reason why clubs can't keep Junior in their name for a good while yet, even if the Junior organisation disappears entirely.0 -
45 minutes ago, AsimButtHitsASix said:
A wee bit off track but here's a good wee video showing the differences between the terminology of the British Isles
I'm wondering if Jersey and IoM will have the same problems Guernsey have had in recent years and their best local players dwindling away from the club to remain focused on the domestic league. IoM might not have quite the same travel difficulties the Channel Islands teams have.
Woulda been some laugh if IoM had moved to the WoSFLIoM could play in the Northern Lighthouse Board league with Girvan, Eyemouth, Oban Saints, Lewis and Harris FC, Orkney, Shetland and Craigroyston to represent 84 George Street.
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I agree Larry came across as bitter but given his posts here that wasn't a huge surprise.
I was more surprised by how totally clueless David Cadenhead came across as! It was like he'd never heard of there being a dividing line between Highland League and Lowland League. If NRJFA officials are really that ignorant then it does explain why no progress has been made on dealing with the Tayside issue.
And the Tayside clubs have got to take some responsibility for that because surely they should have at least had a conversation with the North Region clubs about potential structures at some point in the last 7 years since the Lowland League was created.5 -
18 hours ago, Arthurlie1981 said:
But, correct me if I’m wrong, the council own the facility. Don’t see where the money would come from to do any changes unless they are will to sell to St Cadocs?West Lothian Council own Almondvale Stadium but Livingston FC are in the Premiership.
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4 minutes ago, passbackdave said:
Theres no point having 67 teams in the wosl when only a handful of them have a stadium that fits the criteria for LL. Teams that dont meet criteria should just go back junior and let clubs with ambition get on with it.
Mon the papersThere's no point in having clubs in the Scottish Cup that don't meet UEFA Category 4 as they might win the Scottish Cup and then qualify for the Europa League Group Stage, therefore all clubs outwith the SPFL Premiership and Championship should be excluded from the Scottish Cup and allow clubs with ambition to get on with it.
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2 hours ago, AsimButtHitsASix said:
As every amateur club, junior club and senior non-league club, technically, had a shot at either the Amateur Cup, Junior Cup or the Alex Jack cup then we, technically, have far more than 735 clubs with a chance of being involved in the Scottish Cup.
Taking it to extremes, I know, but the Scottish is open to almost every club in Scotland.Just the NCL teams (apart from Golspie) and the Welfare teams who are excluded.
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Cromdale has been in Banffshire, Inverness-shire (detached part), Morayshire, Badenoch and Strathspey and now Highland. Can't make up its mind which county it wants to be in.
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28 minutes ago, AlanCamelonfan said:
Grangemouth is fk3 postcode. The car garages at the back are fk3. The stadium is fk2. So its falkirk
Postcodes can't be used for determining boundaries otherwise Harthill Royal would be in the WOSL with their ML5 postcode and Bo'ness still have an EH postcode despite being kicked out of West Lothian for bad behaviour in 1974...
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On 13/04/2020 at 10:50, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:
Isnt Falkirk’s stadium in Grangemouth? Im sure its only a stones throw from the refinery?On 13/04/2020 at 10:58, AlanCamelonfan said:People say that because the grangemouth sign is on road to stadium at the back but the main road into the stadium is on the laurieston road but it's on the border
On 13/04/2020 at 11:35, LongTimeLurker said:FWIW Falkirk and East Stirlingshire both technically play in Grangemouth if you go by the old burgh boundaries with Camelon being the only Falkirk team in the pyramid.
On 13/04/2020 at 11:54, Stag Nation said:But if you're going to be 'technical', the old boundaries are irrelevant. That's why they're called 'old'. Did Falkirk Council really pay millions for a stadium in another town?
Grangemouth Community Council has published boundaries on Falkirk Council's website and it includes the entirety of the Falkirk Stadium with the boundary being down the A9.
https://www.falkirk.gov.uk/maps-local/council-democracy/community-councils.aspx?prop=community_&val=Grangemouth (incl Skinflats)1 -
On 11/04/2020 at 14:17, BMan said:
It's going to fade away eventually anyway, however the SJFA have plenty of money to self fund say £25k a year "prizemoney" until that time happens, particularly if the post of Secretary becomes part-time/voluntary position saving £35k a year. It will undoubtedly find a sponsor to cover some of the prize money.
As someone else point out, the SJFA have assets of around £400-500k, the Secretary's pension will be in a pension fund and already accounted for.
The east and north do not need senior west clubs for the competition to continue for the forseeable future with the rewards at largely the current level. Why would they want senior west clubs competing and snaffling the money?As "ShrimpLok, Saviour of the Grade" did so well at providing a pathway for the West Region to move to the WOSL I now present my 3 point plan for Tayside clubs to make themselves a few quid:
1 Propose a motion at the SJFA AGM creating a new class of "Associate Membership" of the SJFA for teams not competing in a Junior League who wish to compete in the Junior Cup.
2 Make it clear that Associate Members have no access to SJFA assets, as per any other club leaving the juniors (see East Region leavers passim)..
3 Propose a prize money split in the Junior Cup that sees the 4 highest finishing SJFA full members rewarded with prize money each year funded from assets of the SJFA in addition to the semi final and final guarantees.0 -
1 hour ago, Mystic Blastie said:
The, SJFA read PnB and said let's do whit Shrimplok said because we never thought of that
Aye Right!!!
I'm changing my username to "ShrimpLok, Saviour of the Grade"
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13 hours ago, GordonS said:
Is there the bones of a compromise here?
- SJFA runs tiers 6 downwards in the west, so long as the rules are fully in line with the LL - including membership fees, fines and re-instatement.
- All new successful applicants join at T6. The entry criteria are exactly the same as in the EoS, and the LL decides which new clubs meet them.
- The SJFA can decide to have all-in conferences, or conferences only at T6 while the rest carry on as before.
- No-one is required to join the SJFA, even if they are relegated below T6.
- New clubs get a full say in the governance and administration.
- All clubs can gain SFA licences at any tier.
- Clubs anywhere in Scotland at T5 and below can join the SJFA and play in the Junior Cup.
- The Junior Cup continues, but is secondary to league and South Challenge fixtures.
Any chance both sides would go for it?
If I was being paid by the SJFA to try and preserve the existence of the body this is what I would suggest they propose:
- SJFA advise all West clubs to join WOSL
- SJFA advise all south of Tay clubs to join EOS
- SJFA advise north of Tay and North Region clubs to form a new Senior Grampian league
- Announce that SJFA will become a body like the County FAs but with a nationwide remit to run the Junior Cup only
- Announce that the 2020-21 Junior Cup will have no replays, no Saturday priorities after a postponement and single leg semi finals.
- Invite applications for membership of the SJFA from any club in Tier 5 or below.
They can do all of that without need for any of the Senior Leagues to agree to it and it would preserve the history of the SJFA as a body through the Junior Cup while also allowing clubs a fresh start in the pyramid. Bold, imaginative and decisive.
HL / LL / EOS clubs can choose to compete in the Junior Cup or not depending on their preference.
Likelihood of that happening... Low.15 -
6 hours ago, San Starko Rover said:
There is zero chance a club like Talbot will not move to a new WOSFL and risk being left behind by their rivals. Lets say for arguments sake they did stay and exactly what happened in the east happens in the West. half the teams in WRJFA move to WOSFL, Talbot stay in a weakened WRJFA as the teams who've moved are replaced by lower standard Junior teams. The second year a few more clubs move to the WOSFL Talbot now have the choice of staying in an ever weakening WRJFA or joining WOSFL at Tier 7 the following year Tier 8 etc. Every team that moves to WOSFL will improve their league and weaken the WRJFA it wouldn't be long before Talbot started to lose players to teams they formally dominated and by the time they moved and played their way through the Tiers of weak teams there's a good chance they would never manage to overtake some of the other former Juniors. Talbot are a well run club and will defiantly move to ensure they're not left behind. Any club who turns down the WOSFL will face death by a thousand cuts as they get weaker season on season look what's left in the ERJFA and bear in mind the Tayside teams are only there as they've nowhere else to go.
For evidence of what happens to a club that “stays behind” see Whitburn pre vs post Superleague.
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Speculation ran rife on who it could be with Campbeltown and Oban Saints being the favourites.
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Further evidence on Meadowbank / Livingston is that the hospitality suites at Almondvale are named the Ferranti Suite and Meadowbank Suite so they’re at least claiming some of the clubs history from those days.