Zern
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3 hours ago, strichener said:
Given the top down management and the banning of dissent within the SNP, I am quite comfortable in my analysis thanks.
You're delusional.
You're looking at the lack of evidence of guilt from Nicola and declaring that it must exist because you say so. Then going further and condemning her for covering up the non-existent evidence!
As we saw from the malformed ideas stuffed in the head of the man from Falkirk; you guys don't have anything to point to other than your very shitty opinion.
You are entitled to your opinion.
Just not your own facts.
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40 minutes ago, strichener said:
Telling lies isn't anything to do with Unionist, nationalist or communist leanings.
It is entirely possible to accept that Nicola and Boris are equally capable of lying. The only difference is how sleekit they are afterwards and in that respect Nicola wins easily.
The trouble you have is that the reality of their respective public careers does not correlate to them behaving in a remotely equal manner. You're swimming against reality when you imagine that the only reason for their vastly differing histories is because Nicola is simply smarter at covering it up.
The more mundane explanation is that Nicola is simply more straightforward and more honest.
Less prone to dishonesty.
No secret parties. No affairs. Not been fired for being grossly dishonest and delinquent.
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Labour Party finances apparently not so healthy:
The Labour Party is on the verge of bankruptcy - Evolve Politics
Coupled with loss of members and activists this could dampen any projected swings to Labour in the next General Election.
QuoteAnd, in September, the Bakers’ union (BFAWU) – one of the Labour Party’s founding union members – voted to disaffiliate from the party entirely.
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Ma dug farted.
Nicola didn't condemn it.
What a tyrant.
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Who will replaced first, Boris or Douglas?
This might be race that Douglas can win.
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2 minutes ago, Ric said:
Are you telling me the tories would not elect a leader because Rayner or Sturgeon would attack them politically? Because I have news for you...
No. What i am saying is that being unelected and unaccountable to the electorate is such an obvious liability in Prime Ministerial candidate that no modern politician, much less Ruth Davidson, would entertain the fact.
She's not stupid.
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3 minutes ago, Ric said:
That's the point I was making, she does not need to abandon those privileges. There is no rule to say she has to sit in the House of Commons.
Except that we're talking a leadership contest. A tory leadership contest. A dirty contest. You think no-one will mention the fact that someone who aspires to be Prime Minister is afraid to place themselves before the electorate?
You think Angela Rayner or Nicola Sturgeon will fail to mention that?
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3 minutes ago, welshbairn said:
Yup, but she's a born again Brexit evangelist and a right wing fruitloop.
We've had a wig slapped on gammon for leader now let's have a pair of googly eyes on a stick.
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3 minutes ago, Ric said:
You may laugh but I posted a page or two back the "benefits" Davidson has.
And, yes, "Stewart", thanks! I could see his face, just couldn't grab the name from the back of my head.
I read it. I laughed at it then. It remains laughable because of the complete lack of probability a Tory would abandon the grace and privilege of the upper house.
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Davidson, lol.
Not. A. Chance.
Permanent power in the upper house and not being accountable to the electorate is Tory heaven. It is the goal of their political careers. She's got that.
Let the farmer fight in the muck.
Of course Ross doesn't stand a chance of actually winning. He's not popular anywhere. Bona fide arsehole that one.
Rory Stewart is the one you're thinking of. Not even an MP anymore i think. Was running for mayor of London last i heard.
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It could be a prelude to a leadership challenge by Ross. He is a Westminster MP in addition to everything else he gets called.
Next few weeks will be all about Ross being humiliated one way or another.
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16 hours ago, Goomba said:
I'm dead against it, just like most Scots. Splitting us from our countrymen and women by creating an artificial border across the Nation seems like an awful idea.
We have England to thank for saving us from bankruptcy in the 1700s. Let's stay together.
You're not with most Scots though are you? The majority voted to elect representatives in favour of holding a vote.
All borders are artificial. The one across the island of Ireland is newer than the one established in the articles of union. The newest is the one across the Irish sea which was created by this UK government. Completely artificial.
It's not the 1700s anymore. The government in Scotland is back in session. We can do better. I'm a bit of a unionist myself. The European Union. What a great example of being better together.
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Have a Happy Hogmanay everyone. All the best for 2022, take care of you and yours.
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Laws regarding the UK don't apply to the UK. Aye right so.
In other UK news. May this year will see the elections to the Northern Ireland Assembly. Current polling on the question of a border referendum shows those in favour of a vote make up the largest percentage of the population. Albeit marginally. The polling on parties predicts Sinn Féin to become the largest party by representatives. The question of a border poll on Irish re-unification has gone from the abstract to the concrete as it is now under active consideration.
What would public support over a sustainable period look like?
In 2021 Scotland again favoured independence representatives by a majority. If Sinn Féin were to begin as a minority administration and bring in some reforms to the franchise (in line with another part of the UK) then we could see a majority returned that would absolutely call for a vote. As catered for by UK law.
Seem to me that there is case to be made, under UK law, that Scotland meets all the requirements for such a border poll. Indeed we did. Time for another.
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2 hours ago, Scott Steiner said:
I don't see what the GFA has to do with Scotland though? It was an NI only agreement.
One wonders why law that applies to a border poll in one part of the UK cannot be applied to the issue of a border poll in another part of the uk.
One nation, one people...
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Given the settled status of the GFA in UK law it might be of note that had the Scottish government held a referendum within 7 years it may have been judged illegal by a court. Setting for 2023 renders that moot.
It may well strengthen the case for holding such a border poll in Scotland with the UK government unable to get a judgement of illegality from the court. After all which laws is it transgressing?
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10 hours ago, Scott Steiner said:
Not at all.
I believe this only applies to a border poll for Northern Ireland, and even then it's only if there's public support for one over a sustainable period.
No.
Yes.
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2 hours ago, welshbairn said:
We had General Elections in 2015, 2017 and 2019 even though they're supposedly meant to be 5 years apart. I'd say every 10 years would be quite reasonable to determine content with the Union.
The UK government sees a period of 7 years as an acceptable amount of time between border polls.
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22 minutes ago, welshbairn said:
Civil wars are different, the Eritrean Army occupied Addis Ababa, they could get whatever they wanted. And all the international bodies usually want after a civil war is stable borders and an end to the conflict. I don't recommend that route for Scotland.
Every situation is different. Spain has recognised many such newly independent countries for various reasons and Kosovo is notable mostly because it was rejected by Russia and China. Ironically the UK quite happily recognises Kosovo.
Does that then mean the UK is an automatic yes for our own declaration?
I hardly think it follows and knee-jerk responses of Spain vetoing this and that is such a tired parody especially since they did not veto anything and have been accepting of so many of the newly declared independent states that left Soviet sphere of influence.
Scotland is neither of those nations of course. We have the Republic of Ireland indicating that they will support our independence and would act as sponsor for ascension to the EU, and an EFTA bloc that has openly supported the idea of an independent Scotland joining their ranks.
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3 hours ago, welshbairn said:
Where in that link are you getting the idea that Spain vetoed EU or UN recognition of Kosovo?
Much less any general rule that can be applied to any other nation. Kosovo is very much a special circumstance and is currently on the path to full recognition. With EU support no less.
Consider Eritrea. Once part of Ethiopia and fought for its independence. Recognised worldwide. You know who else Spain did not recognise at first? Israel.
Also, this dates from 2008 so it is fair to ask whether this was successful in stemming an independence movement and calls for a Catalonian referendum.
*checks history*
Ah.
Or perhaps it is a matter that is very much dealt with on a case by case basis by governments..
Y'know other countries have their own independence movements too?
Why do they never get a mention? Always Spain.
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8 minutes ago, welshbairn said:
They'd have to alter the constitution that 90 odd % of Catalonians voted for (iirc). They just don't any thing that would offer the Catalonians hope of UDI being recognised by the EU.
How does that work exactly? Through psychic suppression?
You have the Spanish constitution. Okay. That has no bearing on our situation or on any independence movements or declarations worldwide. We don't see Spain vetoing independent countries that have taken the UDI route. Nor do we see the UK doing the same in order to quell it's own movements.
In fact the EU has taken a very active role in neighbouring states in becoming independent over its lifetime.
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3 minutes ago, welshbairn said:
They're sticklers for constitutional law as that's what they're using to stop Catalonia holding a legal referendum, so they're against anyone else setting a precedent. They've said they'd have no problem accepting Scotland into the EU if we follow the constitutional path to independence.
That doesn't make any sense. How does a action in another nation state set a precedent in Spanish constitutional law?
I don't think there is even a route to independence under the Spanish constitution.
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4 hours ago, Suspect Device said:
I'm guessing that most folk will have her as a choice in the dead pool 2022?
Nah, not while prominent anti-vaxxers are still a thing.
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On 26/12/2021 at 17:49, welshbairn said:
Spain for one would block any EU recognition of a self declared independent Scotland that doesn't follow the constitutional process, and the UN just follows the will of its members. Russia might recognise us for lolz and as a favour to Alex, but that would be about it.
Why is it Spain blocking EU acceptance in these hypotheticals?
They do come up an awful lot as the moustachioed villains who weirdly have it in for Scotland.
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Oor Nicola Sturgeon thread.
in The Politics Forum
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They hate her because she is good at her job, popular, with a international reputation and record that is the envy of many an aspiring politician. There is no stain of corruption there. So they have to make it up.
It is one of the many many reasons why i like her so much.
She drives them absolutely nuts every day by not being the caricature of the person that they want her to be.
Kind of similar to the vitriol that Greta gets.
(and it's totally NOT because they are women)