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Heavy Terminator 2 theme vibes from the OST of the official unveiling video.
Does anyone ken what's up with Tomi?
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During the indyref, there was a group of Labour members who publicly backed the Yes side, but if I remember correctly, they were kicked out of the party for it.
Depending on who the branch manager is at the time, the attitude of the branch office towards members/voters who support independence shifts between; "We completely disagree with you, get out." And "We completely disagree with you, but vote for us, for some reason."
Sarwar's attempts to portray himself and Labour as "neutral" on independence, during one the TV debates for the last Holyrood election, were utterly laughable. The presenter basically told him that if he didn't want to take part in the section of the discussion about independence, he could go and sit down.
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50 minutes ago, welshbairn said:
I'd like to see a Scottish Labour Party going their own way, pro independence and to the left of London.
This old dead horse. In my opinion, the opportune time for them to do this was during the indyref campaign. Of course, the branch office instead chose the path of British nationalism and unyielding devotion to Westminster, becoming the useful idiots of the Tories for the campaign. Their final act of betrayal of the Scottish people.
Ironically, opposition to Scottish independence is probably the only thing that all factions of the Labour Party, from Momentum to Starmer, are united in. They still believe that Scotland is Labour turf which will one day return to them, under British rule, of course.
Talk about parties with "baggage", the last Labour regime deliberately misled the UK into an illegal war which killed over a million people, and into another, which was finally confirmed a few months ago when Kabul fell, to have all been for naught.
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2 hours ago, J_Stewart said:
Would a third (or even fourth) electable Independence based party be a good thing? Yes
Are Alba that Party? No
Are Alba actually a net-deterrent to the cause of Independence through their constant berating of other Independence Parties, 'disgraced' (in the eyes of the public as a whole) leader, questionable representatives, and somewhat toxic online presence? For me, Absolutely yes.
Whilst I vote for both, I can wholly understand people being frustrated with the SNP (I certainly don't agree with them on everything), and I can understand that the Greens might not be to everyone's taste, but IMO, they're the only viable options towards Independence and questioning that is madness. I've posted this before, but Sturgeon - as the highest profile example - has been a proponent of Scottish Independence for over 30 years, entering at a point where they were essentially a joke party, and when the idea of them being even a notion in politics on this isle was fanciful. To suggest that she's not actually interested in Scottish Independence - a literal lifelong ambition - is insanity, and the constant accusations of such by Alba supporters will only continue to add doubt in the minds of undecideds / soft yes or no voters. This is a detriment to Independence. That's before you even get in to the multiple examples of varying bigotry associated with Party members, which, whether you like it or not, will cast aspersions on Independence as a whole.
There's already far too much baggage and bad press around Alba, even with their short existence. They're never going to be anything other than a joke Party at best, and an actual negative towards Scottish Independence at worst.
So, other independence parties are okay, as long as they are, essentially, vassals of the SNP, with no differing opinions or strategy.
The notion that because 6,000 people, most of whom I'd guess were previously part of the SNP, decided to form a new party, which supports independence, they are now a "deterrent" to others supporting independence is elitist, hive mind, nonsense. The accusation of bigotry is also baseless and is simply used by cultists to attempt to immediately discredit anyone who disagrees with them.
I think coming up on eight years after the indyref, with a consistent lead for Yes in the polls before any campaign has even started, folk who were part of the 45% have a right to question the strategy at this point, if they even have one, in relation to gaining independence. Obviously, you're content to continue hanging on in quiet desperation, others aren't.
What has she achieved to inspire such loyalty? Will you back her for five more years of colonial administration at Holyrood, if we are not independent by 2026?
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12 minutes ago, invergowrie arab said:
I think you are all forgetting that Alba aren't there to oppose the SNP but to help by delivering a supermajority.
That's the line isnt it?
It was. However, the SNP rejected the concept of Scotland electing as many independence supporting MSPs as possible and the decision benefited no-one except unionists.
9 minutes ago, AsimButtHitsASix said:Why do Alba supporters always just refer to SNP/Alba as the pro-indy options whilst ignoring The Green Party?
The Greens have 7 MSPs to Alba's 0, 17 councillors to Alba's 13, 8.1% of the vote to Alba's 1.7% in the last election, two MSP's in ministerial posts and, perhaps most importantly, can pronounce their own party name.The Gaelic and Scots pronunciations are both acceptable.
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I'm happy with this appointment. As I said when we were linked with Bartley, I'd rather we gave it to an up-and-coming manager than someone who's from the managerial merry-go-round in Scotland, such as Canning or Rice.
A few loan signings now would be great, considering how the Burnley partnership has worked out for us this season.
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39 minutes ago, welshbairn said:
Yet the SNP have never polled better. Alba supporters seem to be of two types, neanderthals who feel bitter about being left behind as younger more progressive types make their way up the party hierarchy and twitter obsessives who want to play the populist culture wars. Thus 1.6%.
The time hasn't arrived yet where the SNP will be rejected electorally by the Scottish people, à la New Labour, however it will come, because all political regimes eventually expire. Cracks are showing.
I think that by the time of the next Holyrood election, when we are still not independent, a lot more of the 45% will be open to the idea of voting for a different pro-independence party than in 2021. This is why the Wishartistas wish desperately that ALBA would dissolve.
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1 hour ago, Thorongil said:
Agreed. Since Sturgeon took over from Salmond, civic and social progress has halted and largely slid back.
She has no actual achievements to speak of, which is disgraceful.
The only folk who try to defend her record as FM at this point are the sycophantic careerists that she's surrounded herself with, who you just know would have been part of New Labour a generation or two ago, and her online fanclub who see her as a sort of patron saint of woke, to whom, she can do no wrong.
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12 minutes ago, BFTD said:
Funny, their supporters don't talk about that much. It's been all Unionist conspiracy theories and genitals so far.
Sums up the New SNP fairly succinctly.
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54 minutes ago, AsimButtHitsASix said:
Dunno if you've noticed but one of the biggest sticks to beat the SNP for years has been they "only care about independence". Them making efforts to prove their priority is good governance for Scotland, as opposed to independence for independence sake, is what got them into power and has kept them there. If they had just banged on about independence and independence alone, as Alba try and do, they'd probably end up with a similar vote share.
The "prove competency in governance" phase for the SNP, which was always supposed to be a precursor to securing independence, primarily took place between 2007 and 2014, when most of the SNP's flagship policies were enacted. Since then, there have been very few tangible achievements.
ALBA have some very good social policies that aren't specifically related to independence. Particularly, their policies on poverty and housing.
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41 minutes ago, Day of the Lords said:
The state of this
Alba will be a pub quiz question in four years time and little more.
I'm sure you hope so, for reasons only clear to yourself. Ironically however, the insults and vilification from the Sturgeon cult towards not only independence supporters who've left the SNP, but also anyone within the party and wider independence movement who disagrees with the Dear Leader on anything, goes a long way to ensuring that a pro-independence alternative will continue to exist, in my opinion.
But more important than that, if the SNP do not achieve independence before the, inevitable, collapse of their political monopoly in devolved Scotland, which they won't, a new political vehicle to achieve independence will be required.
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23 minutes ago, Day of the Lords said:
Yes, because as mentioned previously, they are a home for bigots and moonhowlers. Feel free to address the disgraceful behaviour of McEleny, Alex Arthur and various others though. I mean if you want these clowns to become electable, it would be helpful if candidates stopped being general bigots and weirdos.
In fact just explain McEleny's behaviour. We'll ignore Alex Arthur for now because he's a fucking idiot who's probably had one too many punches to the head. Why should I vote for a party who's secretary deliberately misrepresented a tweet from and encouraged a torrent of abuse in her direction.
The floor is yours.
I'm not here to "explain" anything to you.
You'll probably be posting this same kind of drivel four years from now, with the cause of independence still no further advanced by the Scottish Government. But hey, you don't really care about that.
Just keep posting the tears of joy emoji and screaming bigot at people, while your party hemorrhages its membership. That's the plan, isn't it?
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18 minutes ago, Day of the Lords said:
OK so were the views of loser candidates like Alex Arthur completely made up? Did Chris McEleny not just encourage a twitter pile-on which included death threats to an MSP after deliberately misrepresenting one of her tweets?
Alba are a joke outfit and little more than a home for angry divorced da's and various other moonhowlers, this neatly being demonstrated by their frankly hilarious 1.66% vote share in the last election.
You found hilarity in a bad election result, for the only party which made independence a priority during the election. More fool you, I'd say.
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On 03/01/2022 at 11:40, Suspect Device said:
I really wish Alba wasn't so full of fucking lunatics like that guy.
I need somewhere for my pro-indy vote to go now that I am finished with Sturgeon and the SNP. The Greens aren't the answer either.
Sorry, but this is just the party line of Strurgeon's online cultists, and bears no truth in reality.
During the pre-Salmond wilderness years, the SNP had to put up with similar jibes from Labour supporters. History is repeating itself, in the sense that supporters of a party of devolution are seeking to smear supporters of a party of independence.
Don't fall for their pish.
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3 hours ago, No_Problemo said:
Possibly the most ironic comment I have ever seen on this forum.
Definitely, considering they had an actual orangeman as manager up until about a week ago.
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1 hour ago, Bairnardo said:
And back to the kids logic for Granny.
Honestly, you are an absolute parody poster these days. Stick to supporting Utd mate, at least theres some credibility in your head in the sand, unwavering backing of your football team. Trying to shoe horn your own political bias into every single conversation and twisting the words of others to try and shame them into silence is fucking pathetic.
Once again, since you are hard of thinking and I might just accept that on boxing day, you're maybe still pished.
Covid response should be data driven. The pandemic now is at a different phase from the blunt force that made up our only credible response pre vaccines.
If there is no data suggesting hospitals are in danger of being overwhelmed, there should be no measures.
Further to that, each measure put in place should at least make sense, be proportionate and have a demonstrable impact.
If you can explain to me how any of that makes me right wing or a Tory, by all means crack on. Please note that "thats what the tories are saying!!!!!" Will not be accepted.
You are the sort of idiot who would call someone a Tory if they agreed with a tory that the sky was blue.To be fair, he was probably a Labour voter for decades until about 2015.
Must be difficult to come to terms with being conned politically, not once, but twice.
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How about we resurrect the medieval city of Roxburgh as a purpose-built national capital?
Edinburgh is like so 1707.
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19 hours ago, Iain said:
If I've listened to a two hour Bartley podcast for nothing I'll not be pleased.
He was also a pundit on Superscoreboard last night. Obviously it's a total OF-fest on there, but we didn't get a mention at all.
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11 hours ago, Granny Danger said:
He’s a troll. Surprised you can’t spot that!
This is a pretty typical response from the Pete Wishart Brigade. Surprised there wasn't a "yes da", "zoomer" or any other insult members of the New SNP have come up with for supporters of independence thrown in for good measure.
Of course, anyone who disagrees with the Dear Leader couldn't possibly have any legitimate opinions...
I'd imagine no-one on here kens you from Adam, so who's to say you're not a troll?
Afterall, your party has been trolling the 45%, almost non-stop, since the indyref.
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2 hours ago, Baxter Parp said:
I think a lot of people forget that Sturgeon had been touting the idea of an indy referendum because of the result of the EU referendum and we promptly lost 21 seats in 2017. That set us back through to 2018 and at least until the Brexit disaster started to be revealed under May. "We had to wait" isn't semantics it's the reality.
The MPs won't be forming the government, it'll be the MSPs and if you don't think voting SNP is worthwhile, who is?
I disagree that 21 seats were lost because of the idea of indyref2, I think they were lost because of an absence of any vision or incisive action by the party after the 2015 result. People returned to the fold, to an extent, at the subsequent two UK elections out of desperation, more than hope or expectation, along with the catastrophic and duplicitous actions of the British government.
In my opinion, the Scottish MPs elected from the final UK election in which Scotland is a part, or at least the front benchers, would help comprise the body which would negotiate independence, a national commission. You're right though the independent government would be comprised of MSPs.
I voted SNP my whole adult life, including the Holyrood election this summer, but I resigned to join ALBA, who I voted for on the list. Leaving the SNP was decision I took with a heavy heart, because I used to consider the SNP as more than a party, but rather, Scotland's national movement. I have to say though, I've never regretted it.
I'm resolved to the conclusion that the SNP leadership have acquiesced to a role of colonial administration within the UK, and therefore, abdicated being the political vehicle to advance independence. It's now a political vehicle to advance careerist, blandees. Basically, New Labour 2.0.
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20 hours ago, Baxter Parp said:
You can count out the years 2015, 2016, 2017 we were never going to have a referendum so soon after 2014. The first positive case of Covid in Scotland was 1st March 2020 and we've been playing catchup ever since so that's the last year and a half effectively ruled out. That leaves you 2018 and 2019 but we hadn't been dragged out of the EU by then, that happened on the 1st January 2020. SO that leaves you the first two months of 2020 when we could conceivably have had a referendum and the Scottish Government "failed their mandate".
It was a UK election, sport. The mandate for Indy lies in Holyrood.
You've made a decent attempt at explaining the SNP's inaction, and you're correct that the pandemic has been going on longer than one year.
In my opinion, the "we had to wait to be dragged out of the EU" argument is pure semantics. Any arrangement between the British and the EU, without our consent, is equally egregious. It also doesn't explain the complete lack of policy on independence, how we will gain it and what it will look like, since the indyref.
You're right that the mandate to proceed with independence lies at Holyrood. Another poster mentioned that, according to polling, the SNP on course to win 59 out of 59 of the Westminster seats. They had 56 before, under the present management. I think nationalists are right to be asking at this point, what difference will that make, if those MPs have no intention of forming an independent government in Edinburgh? The same question can be posed for Holyrood.
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32 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said:
That's not all there's been, there was that pandemic thingy that killed 6,000 Scots too.
While it's understandable that for the past year the Scottish Government has devoted the majority of their efforts to the responding to the pandemic, what can be said about the other six years?
A particular low point for me was the bizarre "Save The UK from Brexit" escapade, which we got instead of indy. This seemingly amounted to Sturgeon schmoozing in the capital of the regime which imposed Brexit on us, alongside people who believe we should never have any meaningful national rights as Scots.
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13 minutes ago, O'Kelly Isley III said:
I think timescales are in cold storage until such time as societies, UK and beyond, achieve an accommodation with Covid sufficient for the 'normal' political rules of engagement to return. However, I don't doubt that events of the Covid period will inform voters' opinions at that point, as will Brexit.
That's a fair point.
For me, however, the impasse that the independence movement currently faces, began before Covid.
When the UK voted for Brexit, it should have been the governing party of Scotland's cue to withdraw, permanently, from the institutions of the British state. This, is an inevitable step that we must take as a nation, sooner rather than later. It would require boldness and courage, they had neither.
A section of the party is completely enamoured with British rule and English parliamentary convention, because it makes them rich. They have been absorbed by Westminster. The next step is an SNP member of the, unelected, second chamber in London.
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16 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:
When judging a politician it’s right and proper to look at competence in decision making, it’s also right and proper to look at motivation and credibility.
I don’t think Sturgeon and the SNP government in Holyrood has got it all right but I think they’ve got most of it right in an unparalleled situation and without the options that full political and financial autonomy brings. What’s more I think her motivation is genuine.
Some of the claims I’ve read on other threads about ‘she’s out to get football fans’ or ‘she doesn’t want folk to enjoy themselves’ is beyond belief. Sadly it’s not just coming from the moon howlers, there are some previously sound posters who appear to have lost the plot.
Fortunately they are not representative of the wider electorate as recent polls have shown very clearly.
At the end of the day the SNP is nothing more than a mechanism and in my opinion the only credible one to achieve an objective that is far more important than any transitory politician whoever they are and whatever my opinions of them are.
I get the feeling that this paragraph could have been written at any time over the past seven years, yet all there's been is, successive, squandered mandates.
My question would be, is there any timescale for you when the non-committal of the party leadership to the primary goal of the party, finally, becomes untenable?
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Are YOU Voting for the Alba Party?
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Fair do's to the guy for actually doing that.
In my opinion, the Lib Dem policy on Scotland is arguably the most insulting of the three branch offices.
The reason I say that is, despite decades of claiming to be the pro-European party and a clear majority of Scottish people being for EU membership, they see nothing egregious in Scotland itself being dragged out, completely at the determination of others. They offer absolutely no solution to that, because to them being part of the herrenvolk democracy that is the UK is more important, and if us Scots want to be in the EU, we have no choice but to wait until England decides to rejoin.
At this point, there is no "Remain" anymore, which adds another layer to their dishonesty. We're either Europeans as independent Scots, or we won't be at all.