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9 minutes ago, Jilted John said:
I don’t really want Murray. He’s got Airdrie in and around the playoffs but hasn’t been able to go that one step further. Most people who wanted Mcglynn gone were critical that he had perhaps taken us as far as he could. I don’t see what Murray has done that would make people think he could have us punching above our weight when he couldn’t do the same at Airdrie?
Or St Mirren
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14 minutes ago, CallumPar said:
If you’re appointing one of those 2, I’d genuinely be happy for us to take your second option. Not the time for ‘pride’ and saying that we can’t be taking someone who isn’t good enough for you.
Obviously I’d be all for us trying to outbid you, but Raith in the championship is a much more attractive job than Dunfermline in League One.No disrespect meant to Murray but Mcpake’s record is better than his. Murray was a disaster at a full time club. Still like Thomson but again he has managed at part time for one season. Maybe time to be a bit realistic. Saying that thomson will be a good manager in time. Mcpake has more experience than both at a higher level. Good or bad.
7 minutes ago, Jilted John said:TBH I wouldn’t look at it like that. Both are more than good enough for us, but you can only pick one!
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16 minutes ago, Shandön Par said:
McPake with Adam as a player coach and Meggle overseeing?
Great shout. Could work.
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On 12/05/2022 at 17:02, Brashy's Boots said:On 12/05/2022 at 16:54, CALDERON said:I don't doubt Fox has learned etc, but appointing a manager who managed a team to the bottom of the SPFL in his last gig is a tough sell.
This. I didn't want to appear negative but if I've got company, it's not so bad.
Yet you dismiss mcpake without thought even though he has a promotion from our league. Liam will have learned a lot in the time he’s worked at hearts,Livingston and Dundee United.
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10 hours ago, Stellaboz said:
We signed Nisbet whilst we were in the Championship, not whilst in League One.
I get that but Nisbet chose Dunfermline’s offer over Dundee’s offer. Maybe suggests the Dundee budget wasn’t that much more than Dunfermline’s.
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57 minutes ago, Scary Bear said:
For me, if we’re not going down the past player (or manager/assistant manager) route - so they at least get a longer period of good grace - I’d rather pick a manager who has proven (in recent memory) that they can win a league title (or play-offs). Obviously that would put Thomson and McPake in pole position. However, you have to temper that with the knowledge that both of them had a significant advantage over other teams in their leagues in terms of playing budget.
I’m sure that no matter who it is, they won’t please everyone.
I would counter argue that on two fronts.
Kevin Thomson - Yeah had a big budget but also had a massive rebuild with Kelty coming into the league for the first time and it being Kevin’s first job.
James McPake - Had Dundee Utd and Hearts in the Championship in the seasons they were in. First season the Pars paid a lot on wages also. They beat Dundee to signing of KN from us.
Both done the job that was set out to do. Win promotion.
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17 hours ago, grumswall said:
He got a team promoted from this league. That's all he's achieved, which is weirdly more than mcglynn has ever managed. I still 100% do not want him as our next manager though.
He also got a team promoted quicker from said league than Alan Stubbs (who ever managed at all) and in the same time as Mark Warburton. Both who’s budgets far outweighed Dundee’s I’d imagine.
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42 minutes ago, Sauzee04 said:
Not a chance hibs would come calling for Thomson if he done well. He’s hated by the majority of hibs support. Ian Murray would be different though. He didn’t leave under such a cloud.
Ian Murray has had 1 good season at Airdrie. Sacked at St mirren after winning 2 games at championship level. Jack Ross was the brains behind his job at Dumbarton. A massive no for me.
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1 hour ago, Killiefan said:
You know this how?
Kyle Lafferty was not on £6k a week, certainly was incentives but not massive. The manner in which he left after last season made it a wee bit easier to negotiate. He’s wanting to stay but he’s going to be part of a wage structure.
Calm down Billy. If you’d have beat Dundee or stayed up before the play offs then KL wages would have accumulated to 6kpw (money well spent) over his time at the club through salary, signing on fee, staying up bonus, goal no use and appearance bonus. He came in February with the club in a bad position so 6k per week for 4 month works out at roughly 2k pw. I won’t tell you how I know but he was on the 6k for 4 months.
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1 hour ago, Killiefan said:
Lafferty wasn’t even close to £3k a week but nice story anyway.
Your very wrong mate. Massive incentives as well
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17 minutes ago, baillieinleeds said:
Yup, both Thomson and Alexander were both Cheque Book managers. As in the money alone would’ve won any league. We’re the exact opposite, that requires a different kind of thinking. I don’t think Thomson, Alexander, McPake have that level of thinking with a team that haven’t got that cash to fix a problem.
Still got to win in. Rangers has a massive budget in the championship but hearts won it. And Rangers lost the play off to a Motherwell team who had a much inferior budget than Rangers.
Rangers did win it the next season but Hibs whose budget dwarfed Falkirk’s who beat them in the playoff semi final. Falkirk went on to lose heavily to Kilmarnock in the play off final.
I think your being unfair to kevin Thomson and James McPake. Thomson done the job. McPake done his job and got promotion despite Kilmarnock having a bigger budget than Dundee. Lafferty on 6k per week!
Thomson has it wrapped up early, McPake found form when it really mattered. I’d like to see both as end management team.
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22 hours ago, 19QOS19 said:23 hours ago, GazH6 said:He’s young, he had the big budget which brings it’s own pressure, got the job done. We need more young managers.
Who would you prefer just out of interest? Gordon Dalziel?I couldn't care who Raith hire. I'm just saying that Thomson hasn't done anything of note yet so I wouldn't be overly excited as a Raith fan if he was your man.
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22 hours ago, 19QOS19 said:23 hours ago, GazH6 said:He’s young, he had the big budget which brings it’s own pressure, got the job done. We need more young managers.
Who would you prefer just out of interest? Gordon Dalziel?I couldn't care who Raith hire. I'm just saying that Thomson hasn't done anything of note yet so I wouldn't be overly excited as a Raith fan if he was your man.
He’s won a championship.
Has McPake or Ian Murray done anything of note? I’m
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21 hours ago, stevoraith said:
That’s what annoys me most- we had a very talented manager who, before the last 3 months happened, was never ever going to leave us searching for the next rung on his way up the ladder.
Continuity, stability and a long term strategy are very undervalued attributes in football managers at this level.
But I agree, it’s highly unlikely that we find another older guy who will do the same job as McGlynn, so why not give a young and hungry guy the chance? The last time we did that was with McKinnon and that went ok. If we could persuade a young guy to buy into a plan that gets us both to the Premier together in the next 5 years or so that would be the ultimate outcome.
I’d rather we tried and failed with Thomson/Naismith/Berra than plucked someone who’s tried and failed elsewhere off the merry go round.No doubt John McGlynn was a good coach and manager at The club yet he failed to get them to the premiership despite his great brand of football.
In comparison to Thomson and McPake, he has more experience, that’s a given but he’s not had much success -
Hear me out - Won 2nd division (just) which included without showing lack of respect - Brechin, Peterhead, East Fife and Peterhead
Won League 1 - Again not a strong league like it was this season but he got the job done.
A fife Cup and a Challenge cup so all in all he was a decent enough manager but not as great as some all feel. This is just my thoughts on John.
Kevin Thomson - Yeah first year, huge budget but that carries its own weight and expectation and he won it easy. Top player and decent career, young and hungry - undoubtedly will win league 2 manager of the season and deserves it.
James McPake - Got Dundee out of the Championship something Ian McCall hasn’t been able to do at any club and he comes under “experienced” . Reportedly had a high budget(yet Dundee posted a profit) but also had teams like Dun Utd and Hearts to deal with then a play off final against Kilmarnock(Alan Stubbs or Mark Warburton couldn’t get up via play Off’s) maybe shown he wasn’t ready for the premiership but who knows what would have happened had they stuck with him. - Won championship manager of the season ahead of Neilson and McGlynn (personally John should have got it for me)
Both these have a heavy focus on youth development, something we need, it’s time to produce our own players.
I would like to see one of these two aS long as they were given time to build, they played together at a few clubs so would they consider a joint managerial role? Just a thought
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9 hours ago, 19QOS19 said:9 hours ago, GazH6 said:
Because it was an accomplishment any semi-competent manager could have achieved. Even Barry Ferguson was successful with them.
He’s young, he had the big budget which brings it’s own pressure, got the job done. We need more young managers.
Who would you prefer just out of interest? Gordon Dalziel?
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28 minutes ago, 19QOS19 said:
Why not?
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2 hours ago, flood said:
He was interviewed for the Killie job when McInnes was appointed.
He came across really well and impressed the Killie board, unlucky not to get job.
To be fair these were his words , not any inside info at RP!
This is the type Raith should go for. Young, hungry but a drive to improve. The fact he got that interviews speaks volumes. Goodwin got Aberdeen (another Young manager) McPake got Dundee promoted ( linked with a few jobs after promotion also in Hibs and Burton I think)
The difference between these 3 and Moloney and Glass is that they have managerial experience now and all 3 have a promotion. Raith won’t get Goodwin but just my belief of what type of managers should be given a chance instead of the old guard.
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Thomson and McPake out of all the candidates have won promotion recently. Thomson won the title in League 2, highly regarded at Rangers.
McPake got Dundee out the league Raith want out, quicker than Stubbs(Hibs), Neilson(Dun Utd) and in the same time as Warburton managed at Rangers.
Both a risk but look at the experienced John Hughes!!
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Dunfermline's Next Permanent Manager
in Scottish League 1 General Chatter
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I accept your points on Murray. I’ve seen Airdrie a few times this season and they’ve impressed me. Full time would be the big question I’d ask of him. Failed before.
Yes Thomson is highly regarded I think. Used to winning also but with a huge budget in the lowest league. Still can only beat what’s in front of you.
McPake done the same although it was a different route but look what his opponents Hearts have achieved this season.
listen there’s pro’s and con’s for all 3.