Sergeant Wilson Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Ugh Postmen refusing to deliver the sun http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/mersey-postmen-refuse-join-suns-7235285 Postmen are sad, alcoholic, losers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rab B Nesbit Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Well yes I can blame them, they wouldn't be delivering the papers unless there wasn't a demand for it. They also may not know a single person involved at Hillsborough. Royal Mail can't simply pick and choose what papers they'll deliver and what ones they won't. I can sense your for turning Rico. Even Jimmy is backing the cause ... -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 I can sense your for turning Rico. Even Jimmy is backing the cause ... ImageUploadedByPie & Bovril1402437603.057511.jpg well if Jimmy backs it 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Well yes I can blame them, they wouldn't be delivering the papers unless there wasn't a demand for it. They also may not know a single person involved at Hillsborough. Royal Mail can't simply pick and choose what papers they'll deliver and what ones they won't. Royal Mail can't but individuals can. Its called integrity and I say fair play to them. Too many folk grumble and moan and never take a stand. The person responsible has long gone and the paper has apologised more than once, including a full front page spread, but it's not enough. Hell has no fury like a Scouser scorned. The Sun also printed an apology over the lies they printed about Scargill supposedly stealing money from the miners - but the apology came about ten years after the event when the fight was long gone and it mattered not a jot. Their apology was a small insert that was barely noticeable. In the case of Hillsborough the public opinion of the country had swung so far against them that a front page apology made business sense. There was also not 'one' person responsible - it was part of the culture of the organisation. A truly despicable rag. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nsr Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 You really have to visit Merseyside to appreciate the sheer levels of contempt they have for that publication. Don't Scousers have sheer levels of contempt for basically everything that isn't themselves? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Royal Mail can't but individuals can. Its called integrity and I say fair play to them. Away and shite. Postmen will have to delivery all sort of undesirable news to people. If they decided to only deliver what they personally felt was correct the postal system would go down the pan. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Don't Scousers have sheer levels of contempt for basically everything that isn't themselves? I was down Liverpool and shockingly enough I seen a lot of newsagents who stacked the sun newspapers. I can only assume they have a demand for the paper within Merseyside still, otherwise they wouldn't bother wasting money trying to sell them 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 You never hear of the ticketless fans from that day being quite so vilified..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerwickMad Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 Mine will be going back in the post box. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 I was down Liverpool and shockingly enough I seen a lot of newsagents who stacked the sun newspapers. I can only assume they have a demand for the paper within Merseyside still, otherwise they wouldn't bother wasting money trying to sell them Faux moral outrage goes out the window when there's a four page puff piece on Luis Suarez talking about his love for the club. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsenal till I die Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 You never hear of the ticketless fans from that day being quite so vilified..... I really don't know what the plan was. They would have 1 of 3 pens behind the goal closed? That don't make any sense. They could sell a third of the tickets for that end for safety reasons, but having only 1 pen open would defeat the object. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 (edited) I really don't know what the plan was. They would have 1 of 3 pens behind the goal closed? That don't make any sense. They could sell a third of the tickets for that end for safety reasons, but having only 1 pen open would defeat the object. The empty pen was for "overspilling" fans into to prevent congestion if either or both of the other two pens became overcrowded. Edited June 11, 2014 by sjc 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7-2 Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 The Sun also printed an apology over the lies they printed about Scargill supposedly stealing money from the miners - but the apology came about ten years after the event when the fight was long gone and it mattered not a jot. Their apology was a small insert that was barely noticeable. In the case of Hillsborough the public opinion of the country had swung so far against them that a front page apology made business sense. There was also not 'one' person responsible - it was part of the culture of the organisation. A truly despicable rag. The original article was down to Kelvin Mackenzie. Scargill has nothing to do with this. However most newspaper's apologies are hidden away somewhere, not given a full front page as the Hillsborough one was. However this being the wrong type of apology is right up there with trains being cancelled because of the wrong type of snow as risible excuses. I'm sure there must be a 'Cult of Hillsborough Handbook' for all the believers to follow the party line re beliefs and terminologies to use. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7-2 Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 You never hear of the ticketless fans from that day being quite so vilified..... That's disgusting. It didn't happen. More lies to sully the good name of the faultless scousers. Apologise, but make sure it's the right kind of apology. JFT96. Don't Buy The Sun. YAWN. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 That's disgusting. It didn't happen. More lies to sully the good name of the faultless scousers. Apologise, but make sure it's the right kind of apology. JFT96. Don't Buy The Sun. YAWN. I really don't mean to disrespect the 96 people that sadly lost their lives that day but they really have been turned into martyrs for some sort of righteous cause.........of course I'm glad that the Hillsborough Report has finally exposed the negligent actions of the Police that day but anyone that is old enough to remember what football was REALLY like back then wasn't really shocked or surprised.......football & its supporters back then wasn't this happy, cuddly & media friendly game it is today......it was an ugly beast that was a national embarassment to the Government.....football hooligans were as real as the 38 dead corpses at Hysel just a few year earlier. Yes, the Police were at fault for some of their actions & inactions that day.......but so too were the ticketless fans in entering a confined space within the Leppings Lane terrace.....I guess that doesn't suit the agenda though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 I really don't mean to disrespect the 96 people that sadly lost their lives that day but they really have been turned into martyrs for some sort of righteous cause.........of course I'm glad that the Hillsborough Report has finally exposed the negligent actions of the Police that day but anyone that is old enough to remember what football was REALLY like back then wasn't really shocked or surprised.......football & its supporters back then wasn't this happy, cuddly & media friendly game it is today......it was an ugly beast that was a national embarassment to the Government.....football hooligans were as real as the 38 dead corpses at Hysel just a few year earlier. Yes, the Police were at fault for some of their actions & inactions that day.......but so too were the ticketless fans in entering a confined space within the Leppings Lane terrace.....I guess that doesn't suit the agenda though. Erm you appear to have missed out the worst thing the police did in relation to Hillsborough... The campaign is about the cover-up. A cover-up that involved police at the highest levels, working with the media and the government to make sure the story was told the way they wanted it to be. That's why the Sun is hated. Stories of fans pissing on bodies and rifling through the pockets of the dead - dead children's blood being tested for alcohol levels. The actions of the police (and others) AFTER the event is why the anger has lasted. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 The original article was down to Kelvin Mackenzie. Scargill has nothing to do with this. However most newspaper's apologies are hidden away somewhere, not given a full front page as the Hillsborough one was. However this being the wrong type of apology is right up there with trains being cancelled because of the wrong type of snow as risible excuses. I'm sure there must be a 'Cult of Hillsborough Handbook' for all the believers to follow the party line re beliefs and terminologies to use. And Kelvin Mackenzie was working as some sort of rogue operative was he? This was part of the Sun's agenda in the 1980s. It demonised working class communities (hence my reference to the miner's strike) and pretty much acted as a mouthpiece for Thatcher's government. I think you misunderstood my point about the apology. My point is that the fact it was a front page spread does not convince me (or the city of Liverpool) that the Sun is being run any differently to the way it was in the 80s. Times have changed but their agenda is just the same. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 Erm you appear to have missed out the worst thing the police did in relation to Hillsborough... The campaign is about the cover-up. A cover-up that involved police at the highest levels, working with the media and the government to make sure the story was told the way they wanted it to be. That's why the Sun is hated. Stories of fans pissing on bodies and rifling through the pockets of the dead - dead children's blood being tested for alcohol levels. The actions of the police (and others) AFTER the event is why the anger has lasted. I wasn't defending the Sun nor the Police. I alluded to the cover up in the Police's "actions" & "inactions" as well as the Government of the days destain for football & its ongoing issues with hooliganism back then hence a lack of shock or surprise at this was eventually exposed. The hysteria created by some in pointing the finger at the Police for being solely responsible for the deaths (or murders according to some) is as inaccurate as blaming the Belgian bricklayers for the wall that collapsed at Hysel in '85. It was a "series of events" that lead to the deaths of the 96 fans and as despicable as some of the "actions" & "inactions" of the Police........they weren't soley responsible.........which was the point I was making. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 Wow just wow. What don't you get wisbit? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 Yes and still making it terribly. Please point out any inaccuracies..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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