Herman Hessian Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 and in the latest politicking from italy - the FIGC, in light of the alleged "max fixing" rumours, have demanded either a two point deduction from Parma's record from last season which would invalidate their promotion, or the application of a six point deduction in Serie A for 2018/19 - I'm not sure who now decides which penalty is going to be applied if the case against them is proven... the main protagonst Emanuele Calaiò will been banned from all football-related activities for four years, and fined an undisclosed sum, if found guilty... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accies1874 Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 5 hours ago, senorsoupe said: Sad to see Bari, Reggiana, and Cesena going Rangers. It also throws the future of Liam Henderson up in the air after he had an impressive half season for them last year. Hopefully he finds a new home in Italian football, would be a shame if he ended up in the English lower leagues. There had been rumours that Fiorentina were interested, looks as though that has cooled but maybe another Serie A club will give him a contract. Forgot about Henderson. That would be shite, right enough, but if he did well last season, you'd imagine/hope that another Italian club will have noticed him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herman Hessian Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 and there's more; the same FIGC proceedings are going to adjudicate on the fate of Chievo, implicated in the same fiscal goings on which accounted for Cesena; the purported punishment would be a 15 point deduction, retrospective, for 2017/18, which would mean relegation and a reprieve for Crotone. on the upside for Chievo fans, even with the fifteen point deduction the re-drawn table would still see them finish above Hellas on goal difference - f**k's sake 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Brightside Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 I remain far from convinced that what Calaio actually done (as reported) is match-fixing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herman Hessian Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 fighting talk from Chievo: Quote « ChievoVerona announces that today it has discussed its defense in the Federal Court in the context of the dispute concerning the referral for alleged fictitious gains. ChievoVerona reiterated that it had always acted in compliance with the law and federal regulations and rejected all accusations. Among the arguments brought by ChievoVerona is the production of an opinion of professors Angelo Provasoli and Pietro Mazzola where - among others - an error made by the Federal Prosecutors' Consultants of euro 29.2 million is recorded out of a total of about euro 32 million in one of the calculations related to the alleged overestimation. ChievoVerona announces that it will proceed to every seat responsible for recognizing the considerable damages deriving from this gross and incorrect assessment by the Federal Prosecutor's Office that has unjustly discredited the reputation of the Company ». 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Jacobsen Posted July 17, 2018 Share Posted July 17, 2018 9 hours ago, senorsoupe said: Sad to see Bari, Reggiana, and Cesena going Rangers. It also throws the future of Liam Henderson up in the air after he had an impressive half season for them last year. Hopefully he finds a new home in Italian football, would be a shame if he ended up in the English lower leagues. There had been rumours that Fiorentina were interested, looks as though that has cooled but maybe another Serie A club will give him a contract. Henderson should be fine. Atalanta, Bologna, and Parma were also apparently interested in him. 3 hours ago, Mr. Brightside said: I remain far from convinced that what Calaio actually done (as reported) is match-fixing. He's ex-Napoli (three times, technically) therefore he's automatically innocent in my eyes. Naturally, the same courtesy is not extended to Higuain. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanky_ffc Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 Serie A starts back 4 weeks on Saturday and we still don't know how much a subscription will be, how many games they'll show per weekend and where/if the matches will be available on TV. This Eleven Sports mob are getting quite a lot of heat on Twitter due to the lack of info thus far. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herman Hessian Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 (edited) Hellas picking over the bones at the San Nicola; having already taken manager Grosso and striker Karamoko Cissé before the plug was pulled, they're now front and centre for Slovenian full-back Jure Balkovec; last season's top scorer - Cristian Galana - looks to be set for Benevento; Hellas are hoping that this season's goals are going to come from Samuel Di Carmine who got 22 for Perugia in Serie B last season - and Giampaolo Pazzini, frozen out by Pecchia and dumped on loan at Levante, but now back in the fold; he got 23 goals in the previous (2016/17) Serie B season... broadcast news - DAZN will provide a new subscription streaming service for italian coverage this coming season; already available in Germany, Austria, Switzerland and Canada by all accounts; three Serie A games per weekend, and ten Serie B games; if nothing else, it's another source for folk to bounce on via the likes of reddit and acestream for the rest of us to watch... edit: Di Carmine is now another done deal - the squad's looking better than the one that they thought might compete in Serie A last season now - looking forward to handing out a few good hidings bearing in mind that there are going to be local derbies every other week ! Edited July 19, 2018 by Herman Hessian 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Brightside Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 Serie A starts back 4 weeks on Saturday and we still don't know how much a subscription will be, how many games they'll show per weekend and where/if the matches will be available on TV. This Eleven Sports mob are getting quite a lot of heat on Twitter due to the lack of info thus far.Good. Hopefully they f**k it up so much they have to sub-contract it out to BT. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtie23 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 I might be wrong but I’m sure you can watch Seria A on certain betting sites. Usually only need 1p in your account so the account is technically active. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanky_ffc Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, Mr. Brightside said: Good. Hopefully they f**k it up so much they have to sub-contract it out to BT. Aye, I'm not impressed with them so far and I'll begrudge paying a 3rd subscription to cover all the football I watch. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanky_ffc Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, lichtie23 said: I might be wrong but I’m sure you can watch Seria A on certain betting sites. Usually only need 1p in your account so the account is technically active. You can but the screen is usually tiny. It's a last resort for me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highlandcowden Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 1 hour ago, lanky_ffc said: Serie A starts back 4 weeks on Saturday and we still don't know how much a subscription will be, how many games they'll show per weekend and where/if the matches will be available on TV. This Eleven Sports mob are getting quite a lot of heat on Twitter due to the lack of info thus far. to be fair serie a don't cover themselves in glory,pretty sure they've not released their fixtures yet, they and spain always delay it ridiculously 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arbroathlegend36-0 Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 Noticed Eleven sports have also took Eredivsie and the Chinese super league off of sky and also going to show Swedish top league Allsvenskan. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herman Hessian Posted July 18, 2018 Share Posted July 18, 2018 (edited) On 7/17/2018 at 18:30, accies1874 said: Forgot about Henderson. That would be shite, right enough, but if he did well last season, you'd imagine/hope that another Italian club will have noticed him. On 7/17/2018 at 23:01, Allan Jacobsen said: Henderson should be fine. Atalanta, Bologna, and Parma were also apparently interested in him. on the back of the Grosso link, looks like Verona are ahead of Parma at the moment with regard to where he's likely to end up... edit; done deal apparently - signed for Hellas in spite of additional competition from Udinese and Fiorentina; four year contract agreed Edited July 19, 2018 by Herman Hessian 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herman Hessian Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 (edited) and there's even more.... Foggia are now in the dock for "historic administrative offences" over the last three or four years - mooted fifteen point deduction on the cards; if applied retrospectively to last season, it'll drop then from 9th to 20th - and Virtus Entella will be spared from relegation ! yet again, we're getting to the stage where more teams change status due to penalties for financial or administrative regularities than via promotion and relegation; i'm in two minds about this, as - presumably - it's intended to ensure "fair play" by all throughout the leagues, but as we have this ludicrous reshuffle deep in to the summer every year, it's clearly not having much of an impact in reducing the naughtiness in the first instance... ...and now Avellino have been denied admission to Serie B because of administrative errors - appeal pending, though Edited July 20, 2018 by Herman Hessian 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herman Hessian Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 not that Hellas are going overboard about the whole Henderson thing, but there's some evocative prose on-line already excuse the slightly shoddy translation - no time to knock it in to proper shape right now: Quote Liam Henderson will be the second Scotsman to wear the shirt of Hellas Verona in the 115-year history of Il Gialloblù. The first was Joe Jordan: just one season for him, but long enough to win everyone's heart. Jordan was hired by Verona in the summer of 1983. He arrived from Milan, with whom he had just returned to Serie A. Previously he had been a Leeds star and was later sold to Manchester United. Jordan, born in Carluke, Lanarkshire, was a central striker; a trench fighter, a wrestler who took his knocks and handed them out. In Verona he arrived in the latter stages of his career. In that Serie A championship season he registered just one goal. He had wanted to be the main man, but Hellas then signed two others who would become heroes of the Scudetto winning side: Maurizio Iorio and Nanu Galderisi. Jordan did not resent sitting on the bench. From all the protagonists for which Hellas is remembered he is regarded as an example of professionalism, human depth, intelligence and charisma. Many folk regard him the man who gave Verona the awareness of being strong, able to transmit those certainties that then, the following year, pushed the team of Osvaldo Bagnoli to the Scudetto. That's why there are still those who chant, to themselves, the chorus "When Joe Jordan will score ...". His goal for Hellas was against Sampdoria, and was decisive: Verona won 1-0 at Bentegodi, it was April 15, 1984. A touch in the melee (stramash - heh!), cunning and brave, was the hallmark of The Shark, so named because of his missing teeth, (lost in a game clash, and replaced with a prosthesis.) Jordan, legend of Scotland remains an icon in Verona. If Henderson knows how to make the Gialloblù fans fall in love with him in the same way, it will mean that he will have drawn an indelible mark in the history of the club. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Jacobsen Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 5 hours ago, Herman Hessian said: yet again, we're getting to the stage where more teams change status due to penalties for financial or administrative regularities than via promotion and relegation; i'm in two minds about this, as - presumably - it's intended to ensure "fair play" by all throughout the leagues, but as we have this ludicrous reshuffle deep in to the summer every year, it's clearly not having much of an impact in reducing the naughtiness in the first instance... For me, there isn't a consistent approach in respect of penalties for financial/administrative irregularities. If you cannot register for your respective league then it should be a mandatory relegation of at least one division. Parma went down 2 divisions, I'm sure it was the same for Venezia (on more than one occasion). Napoli went down to Serie C1 a few years ago when they went bust, and they were lucky to end up there. Yet you have teams like Catanzaro, Sorrento, Vicenza, even my beloved Celano (who could yet still remain in the same league despite earlier reports) who can stay in the same league despite going bust. The risk outweighs the punishment. It also hinders teams who do not know which league they will be playing in the following season. Have a look at what happened with Vibonese last season. Proper shambles there. Also, in terms of repechage, there does not appear to be a consistent approach either. The standard approach was, and may still be, that if a team had experienced financial issues in the last three (?) years, in theory they would not be eligible for 'promotion' yet Reggina and Taranto were administratively promoted despite being forcibly relegated the previous season. The same is likely to happen to Como this coming season. Financial rules in Italian football are probably the most strict in Europe yet they're not being applied consistently. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herman Hessian Posted July 19, 2018 Share Posted July 19, 2018 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Allan Jacobsen said: For me,....and other worthy stuff I think a mandatory one-step relegation (or denial of promotion which equates to the same thing) would be ideal but - in real terms, it's not the clubs themselves, the fans, the players and their extended organisations who are culpable - although that's very much who ends up carrying the can for that sort of puniushment. Individuals are to blame for acting negligently or fraudulently - maybe small groups at worst; if substantively identified, the penalty should be a life ban from all aspects of the game with immediate effect, be it owners, chairmen, directors or junior accountants - that's what seems to be missing at the moment; if it was made common knowledge who had effected and/or signed off the malpractice that lead to a club being shafted the potential for a backlash from fans alone would be a huge, huge deterrent; if clubs are struggling financially, they should be encouraged to be open about it, go to the FIGC or whoever and get help rather than trying to blag their way out of trouble; maybe forensic investigation of what's gone on would be too time consuming and that's part of the problem, but I think that draconian punishments would push anyone who was aware of what had been going on in to quickly grassing up the real culprits if there was a degree of leniency for whistle blowers that was rescinded if they were later found to have been even marginally involved having not come forward in the first instance; everything's recorded nowadays, emails, phone conversations, bank transactions, the lot - and it's not as if this stuff involves master criminals who are adept at covering their tracks - for the most part it's just slightly shady twats looking to cut a few corners or hide dodgy dealings - should be relatively easy to name and shame them... Edited July 19, 2018 by Herman Hessian 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herman Hessian Posted July 20, 2018 Share Posted July 20, 2018 piece about Bari here: https://gentlemanultra.com/2018/07/20/death-resurrection-last-rites-administered-to-historic-italian-clubs/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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