Brexit slowly becoming a Farce.

[NotThePars]

Is leaving the EU more complex than leaving the UK?
 

I don’t pretend to know as I’m not knowledgable on the minutiae of constitutional arrangements. I do think there was a more conscious attempt at informing the electorate on the fallout from a successful bid for Scottish independence in comparison to Brexit. Obvs the SNP push for a multi question referendum was out of political expediency as they knew they wouldn’t win outright but it would’ve been a more mature way to conduct it.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

C4 debate with ridiculously unbalanced panel - 3 leavers, 1 remainer, no representation from Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland - in fact it's not even Anglocentric but South-East-of-Englandcentric.

[sophia]

19 minutes ago, NotThePars said:

 

I don’t pretend to know as I’m not knowledgable on the minutiae of constitutional arrangements. I do think there was a more conscious attempt at informing the electorate on the fallout from a successful bid for Scottish independence in comparison to Brexit. Obvs the SNP push for a multi question referendum was out of political expediency as they knew they wouldn’t win outright but it would’ve been a more mature way to conduct it.

 

What we need is a link to a constitutional law expert

[DeeTillEhDeh]

What we need is a link to a constitutional law expert

Where's Libby?

[emoji48]

[sophia]

expert

 

[Granny Danger]

This listening to experts is so post Trumpian.

#opinions>facts

 

[John Lambies Doos]

Why is that guy wearing multiple poppies

[SweeperDee]

Why is that guy wearing multiple poppies

To show how much he remembers.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

The rolling eyes reaction to Farage is absolute class!!

 

 

 Check out @GregCross82’s Tweet:

 

 

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

We will only have a second referendum if Shelbyville do.
 
 

Certainly put North Haverbrook on the map.

[Antlion]

We seem to be getting bombarded with news about how pro remain mother England now is. The cynical part of me thinks it’s all geared towards allowing May a less humiliating climb down on its insane red lines (in other words, smoothing the way for membership of the customs union with a new name). 

[Granny Danger]

Labour saying they won't support a temporary customs union.  This is the right approach IMO.

[boosarker]

15 hours ago, Detournement said:

Is leaving the EU more complex than leaving the UK?

 

They are both complex, that's why the Scottish Government produced a white paper on what independance would mean.  The leave campaign just wrote some made up shit on a bus.

 

 

[zidane's child]

52 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

Labour saying they won't support a temporary customs union.  This is the right approach IMO.

Aye but they will vote against it when push comes to shove?

[Granny Danger]

12 minutes ago, zidane's child said:

Aye but they will vote against it when push comes to shove?

I am convinced a large number of the anti-Corbynistas will vote with May.

 

[git-intae-thum]

16 hours ago, Detournement said:

Aye but if the one country is determined to f**k you over it might be better to have 27.

 

As two likely EU nations in 2014, it would have been an amicable discourse. It could not have been anything but smooth as far as trade etc was concerned.

As for the future....

I do not think Scotland would go into negotiations trying to f@ck over the rUK.

Friendless rUK could not afford to f@ck over Scotland.

[new kyd in town]

14 hours ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

The rolling eyes reaction to Farage is absolute class!!

 

 

 Check out @GregCross82’s Tweet:

 

 

An obvious plant

[banana]

On 11/5/2018 at 14:37, Bairnardo said:

All anyone is talking about is checking with the people.
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Only a fucking idiot would argue that the voter had even a small % of the knowledge needed to make a rational and well founded decision.

Democracy is great because it checks with the people, except when it checks with the people!

To be fair, you're a hairs breadth from backing my Unpopular Opinions proposal that voting rights be greatly restricted by age/experience/contribution, and you'd be taking it a good way further.

Edited November 6, 2018 by banana

[new kyd in town]

1 hour ago, boosarker said:

They are both complex, that's why the Scottish Government produced a white paper on what independance would mean.  The leave campaign just wrote some made up shit on a bus.

 

 

So even a slow moving bus is more popular than the snp

[Antlion]

I think we’re all forgetting that leaving the EU need not in and of itself be complex (and I am and was a remainer). It’s the ham-fisted way, the contradictory red lines, and the absolute desire to both completely reject and yet not lose any benefits of the EU predominantly because of a hatred of foreigners that makes the UK’s exit strategy so difficult (if not impossible).

Would Scotland having a soft exit from the UK be easier than the UK pursuing some woolly red lines in exiting the EU? Probably. Now if Scotland wanted to cut off all ties with England, Wales and NI, whilst retaining all the benefits of trade, that would be a better comparison for what the UK is up to. But no one is suggesting that Scottish independence ape the absurdity and incompetence of Brexit. 

So on balance, yes - I reckon that Scottish independence under the terms it was last offered would be easier to achieve than whatever bizarre Brexit the current UK government is pursuing. 

Edited November 6, 2018 by Antlion